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EricMontreal22 · 2006-01-10, 06:56

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Originally Posted by MrProphet

Yeah, it's going to be a horror story (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=27230).

But it's going to be short (just 3 episodes), so perhaps we'll go back to a jousei-style anime soon after that.

What makes the new show NOT a Josei style anime? I knwo it;'s not based on a manga but...

Is Nana which i eblieve is set for April going to air in the Noitamina slot?

Does anyone know what they aired in the timeslot the past few weeks?
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wao · 2006-01-10, 09:33

Well, we might never know for sure that Ayakashi is the intended successor to the Noitamina timeslot unless we see that little jingle before the show...

I never saw anything about Noitamina on the site for it or anything like that though, so I still doubt it's PK's successor...

MrProphet · 2006-01-10, 09:42

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Originally Posted by EricMontreal22

What makes the new show NOT a Josei style anime? I knwo it;'s not based on a manga but...

Josei is anime aimed at university-aged young women (that is 18-25), so it usually addresses things they are interested in (like serious romance, hardships of adult life, and having to adjust to adult world). That's what josei is.

EricMontreal22 · 2006-01-16, 05:17

Ah I thought horror titles wer equite popular with that age group

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mytrivo · 2006-01-19, 01:16

Well the fansub of the final ep is out (Thanks IY-F&Oki). Closure at last! Just looking at the anime and not comparing to the manga, I thought it was a decent ending. There was a lot to squeeze into this last ep but I don't think it would've worked to stretched it out over 2 eps. At least we got a glimpse of how Yukari's and George 's futures go.

Chairman Aeon · 2006-01-19, 18:35

So I was watching Suzuka and ParaKiss while taking a break from the blood and panty shots. Two series that were rather brutally honest in their portrayals of (young) love. Both on reflection get the endings they needed. But with Suzuka I felt relieved whereas with ParaKiss I felt as if someone sucker punched me in the stomach. To quote blink-182 "Well, I guess this is growing up".

I'm glad they left the name of Yukari's fiancee out of the anime. Hiro in the anime doesn't come across as a really great match for Yukari. Also in 10 years time I'd have a hard problem that she was together with either of those boys.* In the anime when George asks her to come with him we already know things are over. If she says yes then she hasn't learned a thing and George will grow to hate her. If she has become the woman he hopes she is then her answer is no, she can't come with him. The 10 years later ending makes it seem like George is the one that "got away". That somewhere in the back of Yukari's head there is a ghost of George. And maybe that's the most realistic part of the anime.

Oh well back to Bloody Ninja Panties or whatever is coming up this season.

Iain.

* And what kind of a fairy tale ending is being a successful model that marries their high school sweatheart who just happens to be a doctor. "Gee Hiro-kun after you're through talking to that cannibal killer would you like to see my new outfit?" More likely to die of a drug overdose or commit suicide from the pressure. That's our Caroline.

deathsvengeance · 2006-01-19, 19:09

I was a little disappointed they left the name of her fiancee out (which was Tokumori-kun). At any rate, they also left out some important character development between Miwako and Arashi.. as well as Tokumori-kun, if you want to know what that is, read the manga.

Overall, I felt that the final episode was incredibly rushed. It was jumping all over the place with no good transitions at all.

TerryMathews · 2006-01-19, 22:54

I also feel the ending was a bit rushed and all over the place, but all in all I think it was a good, realistic ending.

I especially like how George moved all the Parakiss stuff into (a storage garage?) and sent Yukari the key. It was a great, non-verbal way of saying "I'm never coming back."

Was it the best anime ending? Not even close. It's above the top half though, I've been super disappointed in anime endings before. Escaflowne, for example.

Chairman Aeon · 2006-01-19, 23:46

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Originally Posted by mytrivo

At least we got a glimpse of how Yukari's and George 's futures go.

Sadly, I've been thinking about the ending a bit too much and I don't think the 10 years later part was all that necessary or desirable (for the anime). If what the people who have read the manga say is right and George was portrayed much more sympathetically in the anime than the manga you could have just ended it with Yukari opening the locker. Since the key idea from the manga (that they were fundimentally incompatible) is not really in the anime they might have well have not put the headstone on the gravesite. This is always a problem when translating between media, you can end up with a very different story by accident. Make no mistake, I wouldn't want to be involved with either Jouji or Yukari, but I do think the story felt real.

Was the 12 episode format determined by the TV slot or what?

Iain.

cynicalicious · 2006-01-20, 00:04

Why is it I imagine the following discussion really happened between the producer and the director?

"Ok.. that takes us to 11 epsiodes."

"Ok, then in the last 13 episodes, we can address all the real issues, because the story is just starting, right?"

"What last 13 episodes? We're only good for 1 more. Didn't you read the memo I sent?"

"Uh-oh... Well, just do what we did with Beck then."

I liked both Beck and ParaKiss a lot right up until the last episode, and then I was totally disappointed by the hack jobs both last episodes were. Mostly I was mad that they totally rushed through tons of good stories by just sort of "Oh yeah, then we went and did ___, and then we did ___...." It was just like a bad 3rd grade report. "I liked summer vacation. It was good. We went to the Grand Canyon. It was big. Then we saw Gramma and Grampa. They're old. The end."

Well, it filled up 20 minutes, but sheesh. I wanted to see more of Arashi/Miwako/Hiro's plotline, too. And with George's friend whatshername coming from England... guh. So much room for good stories, and they just rush through it all.

I didn't particularly care about who wound up with whom, but I would've at least liked to have understood *why* a little better. It just felt like totally incoherent blather. Bah. Now I'll just have to hunt the manga down.

First 11 episodes, 9/10. Last episode, 4/10 for sloppiness. :P

misakichii · 2006-01-21, 00:45

is paradise kiss really that good? well i won't know untill i watch it. i've read summary and it doesn't all that interesting. but just a few days ago i found out that the author who wrote paradise kiss is the same author who wrote nana. so since nana is is good i might just give paradise kiss a try. oh, does anyone knows if nana will be made in anime. i hope it does since it's so good. it's one of the best shojo.

ForeverGoNe · 2006-01-21, 00:59

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Originally Posted by misakichii

is paradise kiss really that good? well i won't know untill i watch it. i've read summary and it doesn't all that interesting. but just a few days ago i found out that the author who wrote paradise kiss is the same author who wrote nana. so since nana is is good i might just give paradise kiss a try. oh, does anyone knows if nana will be made in anime. i hope it does since it's so good. it's one of the best shojo.

Hearing it from other people can only do you so much. I finished the series and I'm just completely blown away. The situations and relationships are so surreal, it's unbelievable. I'm reading the manga to see how devastating the ending is but god damn, I can't wait to read it.

misakichii · 2006-01-21, 01:25

yea you're right since everyones got their own opinion. so are you saying that the anime has a devastating ending?

ayame_rei · 2006-01-22, 16:33

Hey everyone,

I just watched the ending for Paradise Kiss. I loved the series, but as it ended, I was kind of like, "Huh??" and I came to the forums for some kind of more satisfactory explanation.

Can people who read the manga and watched the anime fill me in here? Why the heck does it end like that.... what really happens in the manga and what parts did Kobayashi cut out in the anime? I feel like the director sacrificed a lot of stuff at the end to wrap up the story in the last episode. MrProphet's post on page three of the forum was really interesting--MrProphet, please explain more if you read this--!!

The thing that bugged me the most at the end was I felt really confused about my feelings toward the characters and their actions--I think this might be because so much was cut out and as many have suggested, the director might have imposed his own interpretation onto Yazawa's original one.... so can people who have seen both the anime and manga comment back.... how do you feel about what happened in the ending, and how was it different from what happens in the manga, and what do you feel about the characters at the end....?

mytrivo · 2006-01-23, 02:57

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Originally Posted by ayame_rei

Can people who read the manga and watched the anime fill me in here? Why the heck does it end like that.... what really happens in the manga and what parts did Kobayashi cut out in the anime? I feel like the director sacrificed a lot of stuff at the end to wrap up the story in the last episode.

As I mentioned before, I enjoyed the last ep. and I've tried to look at it without thinking about the manga. To be honest, I don't know if I've been totally successful. I did read the manga before the series finished so I know what was left out. It's hard to ignore that knowledge. I just rewatched ep 12 and went through it scene by scene with the last volume of the manga (from Tokyopop in English). I've listed what I saw as being left out. It's long because I'm not good at condensing my descriptions. I used a spoiler so you don't have to read it if you don't want to.

Spoiler:

--After the fashion show, it's been a month since Paradise Kiss has been trying to sell clothes to some stores and they're not having much luck. They have one dress on consignment.
--When showing the photo from the joint photo shoot with George at school, Yukari at first denies that George is her boyfriend to a group of girls. Hiroyuki asks if it's a secret and then she admits to them that George is her boyfriend. After she says Hiroyuki wouldn't fall for someone like her, he thinks that she hasn't noticed his feelings even though he's been so direct.
--At the Christmas party at the atelier, Yukari wonders if Hiroyuki still likes Miwako and if he's studying for his exams. In the car, she sighs. George asks about the sigh and Yukari thinks that it's sad that Hiroyuki wouldn't like someone like her. When she says nothing, George says that Hiromi is just a lover and Yukari should be happy to be the first wife. She wonders who Hiromi is. The talk about her mom and his mention of love come later at his apartment just before they go to bed. They arrive at George's apartment and Yukari notices he got a laptop and he never really explains to her why he got it.
--After the awkward scene at the door, Kaori introduces herself to Yukari. Yukari thinks that she has to be proud to be his first wife and makes small talk. Kaori notices the dress Yukari's wearing, asks if George made it and admires it. Kaori then realizes that it's Christmas and apologizes that she's so jet lagged she forgot. George comments that Christmas isn't necessarily just for lovers to fool around and pours drinks for all three. During the discussion about him changing his goal and if something would happen to his father, he says that if it was just him it would be ok but his mother couldn't handle it. He'd have to take care of her himself so he can't keep being a careless rich boy forever. Yukari realizes that George couldn't talk to her about all this and that she's like a doll that he just dresses up and displays. After George's declaration that he's never slept with Kaori because Kaori's not that kind of girl, Yukari wonders what kind of girl she (Yukari) is to him and she realizes she doesn't like her character and he probably doesn't either.
--Yukari and Miwako go shopping for new cell phones to replace the one Arashi broke. They talk about Yukari trying the exams for university and that it would be a backup for Yukari if modeling doesn’t work. Miwako talks about making more Paradise Kiss clothes. Yukari realizes that George still hasn't told them yet. She thinks that it's his life and there's nothing she can do to help him with his decision about what he's going to do because he won't share his thoughts with her.
--At the atelier Arashi doesn't sing but George is late and Isabella, Arashi and Miwako are waiting for him. They discuss George's designs. Arashi says he's tired of saying that George's designs aren't the right kind to sell well. Miwako goes to call George and that's when Arashi notices her new phone then George arrives to say the dress on consignment sold. Miwako emails Yukari to tell her they're celebrating the sale of the dress and she uses studying as an excuse not to go. She's realized she couldn't share their happiness because she looked at everything wrong. She should have been kind to George after Kaori left on Christmas but she doesn't know if she could've changed what she did either it's how she is.
--Yukari goes on a photo shoot. Arashi goes to talk to Hiroyuki and they talk about why Hiroyuki wants to be a doctor. It's because he wants to help Miwako. Arashi tells him she'll get better if Hiroyuki is with her. Hiroyuki says that she chose Arashi not him and that Arashi needs to realize how much Miwako really loves Arashi.
--Miwako sends Yukari a picture of a new jacket George designed and they all made. Yukari wonders if George changed his mind because he hasn't told them about leaving Paradise Kiss yet. She asks if George is there and Miwako says no he had a dinner reservation. Yukari gets jealous then realizes that George is moving at his own pace, but she's not doing the same.
--At dinner with his father, they discuss Yukari first. Father heard she gave the mother a hard time and George comments that it's because people hate their own kind. Father is shocked that George got involved with someone like his mother. Then Father says that Kaori asked him to fix it so George doesn't have to worry about supporting his mother if something happens. That way George could have his freedom to do what he really wants to do. George meets Kaori to drive her to her parents' house and he says his father talked to the lawyers about providing for his mother so George can study abroad. George tells her he doesn't want to study in London but now he has more choices he can consider. When he gets back to Paradise Kiss he calls Yukari and she apologizes (I'm not sure for what). He says he's making a kimono for her and asks if she'll stay over on the 31st and wear it. She says yes if he takes her to the temple to pray for his success. She thinks that George is happier dressing her up then when he's holding her close.
--George and Yukari run into Miwako, Arashi & Hiroyuki at the shrine. George introduces himself to Hiroyuki and asks Miwako why he's with them. Isabella shows up too. In the car, Yukari asks George why he said Hiroyuki was JUST her classmate. She thought it was rude. He says that she said it first (in one of the first episodes I think). He confesses that he saw Hiroyuki's picture in her planner that first day. He saw her picture on the planner fell in love with it. He looked through the planner. He had to confirm that he'd found his muse. He wants to know if she's ok with being his toy and says that all they do is push their desires on each other that's why they're not good together. She realizes nothing can be done about their relationship and they arrive at the beach.
--At graduation, Yukari and Hiroyuki discuss their futures. He tells her he's glad she found something she really wants to do. Yukari thinks that he's going to make a good doctor and that he's a wonderful person. Yukari realizes that everyone at Paradise Kiss had already planned on going their separate ways after graduation.
--When George takes Yukari home the day before he leaves and before her TV commercial, he asks how she can be so chipper when her boyfriend is going overseas tomorrow. She says it's because she's leaving him and going to go out with a refreshing guy and have a pure clean relationship. He says he's jealous. She thinks that no matter what she says, even if it's mean, he never gets mad anymore and that after her exams were over they never even kissed again. After he drives away she thinks that other couples manage long distance relationships, why can't we.
--After she sees the clothes George left her and remembers his words about them she thinks: "He turns the black and white landscape into brilliant colors. That’s what George was to me. Even if our paths don’t ever cross again that will never change."
--On the boat George tells Isabella that Yukari doesn't realize how important she is as a model to designers because she's still an amateur. Isabella tells him that he doesn't understand how women feel even though he makes clothes for them so he's still an amateur too.
--Yukari is on her way to a shoot and a young couple on the street recognize her from commercials. She thinks that she'd filled all her days like before and even if she stumbled she was still going to outrun George and his lazy outlook on life, but before she knew it she was 28. She had a part in a TV show but she was getting older and not modeling as much. She did lots of interesting things and they're her assets now.
--It's her brother who tells her that her boyfriend is here and asks about the dress (which is the one she wore on Christmas Eve when Kaori showed up at George's apartment). She tells him that it's fine to wear it because they all know it's a given that she looks best in George's clothes and it makes her keep her figure too. Yukari’s mother invites the boyfriend in and he says sorry but they're on their way to a party. She asks if it's with other doctors and he says no. It's a grown up Hiroyuki at the door. Yukari is excited about the party because she hasn't seen Alice (Miwako's niece) in a long time, she wonders how big Erica is getting and says she looks more like Arashi all the time. Hiroyuki says Erica'd be cuter if she looked more like Miwako. Yukari says he's just jealous that Arashi stole Miwako. He says yes probably for the rest of his life, but he’s lived by using that jealousy as a slingshot. The story ends (like the anime) with the fact that they're going to America for their honeymoon and were sent tickets to a musical. The costumes were designed by George and she'll probably cry.

aliensporebomb · 2006-01-23, 08:18

Big thanks to Mytrivo for clearing up the loose ends.

That was too much to put into one last episode.

AisuruMirai · 2006-01-24, 07:18

166 pages of the manga, 9 whole chapters (40 through 48), were compressed into this single episode. That's all but the first chapter of volume 5. This was not a good way to end the show.

I think it was in post#48 that MrProphet wrote about the contrasting visions of Yazawa, the author of the manga, & Kobayashi, the director of the anime. In my opinion, though, Kobayashi hasn't added much--& perhaps not anything--that wasn't already present in the manga, except stylistically. He was forced to edit out large portions of the story. This means that certain parts are designated as more important than others, but the story itself determines that for the most part--one can't cut out the pieces that move the plot & characters forward--the fights, the slights, the big decisions, the tender moments between characters...I don't see his vision of Paradise Kiss being any different from Yazawa's. I realize I may be being too parsimonious when I say that he just had less space to work with than Yazawa did.

I'm glad that I'm reading the manga only after watching the series. I'd have been very disappointed in all the missing bits, I think. & I think that in the anime version, George appears in a much less favorable light than he does in the manga. Anime George is not the slightest bit sympathetic, which makes it terribly difficult to understand Yukari's attraction to him. In the manga, her attraction is also nearly incomprehensible to me, but George has a sense of humor & seems more self-conscious of his tendency to be cold to people.

Regarding Miwako & Arashi:
I don't understand why Kobayashi inserted Arashi's song, which isn't in the manga, into the middle of ep12. To me, it just seemed like a complete waste of time. Because this episode was so rushed, I think it might have benefited from leaving out the fight over the text messages, as well. It adds some drama to the episode, but it really doesn't take the story anywhere. This exchange, as well as the discussion between Arashi & Hiro that was cut out in the anime version, would have been more powerful, in my opinion, if they'd been placed in chapter 3 or 4 and were developed further. To have revelations like these

Spoiler:

come out so late made it seem to me as if the mangaka wanted to spice up the most boring volume of the story, in which everything is slowly winding to a stop.

It's such a shame that a show that could have been brilliant turns into a cheap scrapbook in the end. This episode could have been worse, though. A little worse. There could have been SD characters.

じゃあ。
アイスル未来

Xess · 2006-01-24, 16:19

Ahh, thanks for the summary of the manga mytrivo. That seems to make a hell lot more sense than what happened in the anime. 12 episodes really crunched it up too much and there seems like there were gaps here and there and stuff somehow didn't add up. Should really have been a 13 or 14 episode show. However, I'm glad they did away with that SD nonsense after the first few episodes. It was annoying and really didn't fit into the theme of a serious show like this.

The ending of the manga is more to the ending I would have envisioned and the changes are kinda weird. George almost seemed too flawless in the ending of the anime and it seemed kinda wrong. It really did feel like he was just using Yukari as his dress-up Barbie, and also felt like a Hollywood relationship that would surely end up in disaster. Well, but in the end, I guess she did choose the right person to marry in my opinion.

Miacis · 2006-01-27, 01:35

Excuse me, but does anybody know the band and song name of the music that plays during 17:05 to 17:33 in episode 12?

PochaPocha · 2006-01-27, 05:12

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Originally Posted by Miacis

Excuse me, but does anybody know the band and song name of the music that plays during 17:05 to 17:33 in episode 12?

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2006-01-10, 09:33	Link #62
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	Well, we might never know for sure that Ayakashi is the intended successor to the Noitamina timeslot unless we see that little jingle before the show... I never saw anything about Noitamina on the site for it or anything like that though, so I still doubt it's PK's successor... __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-01-23, 08:18	Link #76
aliensporebomb Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: mpls, mn, usa, urth	! Thanks ! Big thanks to Mytrivo for clearing up the loose ends. That was too much to put into one last episode.

2006-01-24, 07:18	Link #77
AisuruMirai 箱者 Join Date: Dec 2004	166 pages of the manga, 9 whole chapters (40 through 48), were compressed into this single episode. That's all but the first chapter of volume 5. This was not a good way to end the show. I think it was in post#48 that MrProphet wrote about the contrasting visions of Yazawa, the author of the manga, & Kobayashi, the director of the anime. In my opinion, though, Kobayashi hasn't added much--& perhaps not anything--that wasn't already present in the manga, except stylistically. He was forced to edit out large portions of the story. This means that certain parts are designated as more important than others, but the story itself determines that for the most part--one can't cut out the pieces that move the plot & characters forward--the fights, the slights, the big decisions, the tender moments between characters...I don't see his vision of Paradise Kiss being any different from Yazawa's. I realize I may be being too parsimonious when I say that he just had less space to work with than Yazawa did. I'm glad that I'm reading the manga only after watching the series. I'd have been very disappointed in all the missing bits, I think. & I think that in the anime version, George appears in a much less favorable light than he does in the manga. Anime George is not the slightest bit sympathetic, which makes it terribly difficult to understand Yukari's attraction to him. In the manga, her attraction is also nearly incomprehensible to me, but George has a sense of humor & seems more self-conscious of his tendency to be cold to people. Regarding Miwako & Arashi: I don't understand why Kobayashi inserted Arashi's song, which isn't in the manga, into the middle of ep12. To me, it just seemed like a complete waste of time. Because this episode was so rushed, I think it might have benefited from leaving out the fight over the text messages, as well. It adds some drama to the episode, but it really doesn't take the story anywhere. This exchange, as well as the discussion between Arashi & Hiro that was cut out in the anime version, would have been more powerful, in my opinion, if they'd been placed in chapter 3 or 4 and were developed further. To have revelations like these Spoiler: Arashi raped Miwako, & this was her first sexual experience. But afterward, she acted as if nothing had happened. Spoiler: Hiro is preternaturally adept at psychological analysis & seems to understand Arashi & Miwako's situation completely, as if he were a detective in a manga...or something.... come out so late made it seem to me as if the mangaka wanted to spice up the most boring volume of the story, in which everything is slowly winding to a stop. It's such a shame that a show that could have been brilliant turns into a cheap scrapbook in the end. This episode could have been worse, though. A little worse. There could have been SD characters. じゃあ。アイスル未来 Last edited by AisuruMirai; 2006-01-24 at 11:33.

2006-01-16, 05:17	Link #64
EricMontreal22 Member Join Date: Nov 2004	Ah I thought horror titles wer equite popular with that age group E

2006-01-19, 01:16	Link #65
mytrivo A Sucker for Romance Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA	Well the fansub of the final ep is out (Thanks IY-F&Oki). Closure at last! Just looking at the anime and not comparing to the manga, I thought it was a decent ending. There was a lot to squeeze into this last ep but I don't think it would've worked to stretched it out over 2 eps. At least we got a glimpse of how Yukari's and George 's futures go.

2006-01-19, 18:35	Link #66
Chairman Aeon Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: YVR	So I was watching Suzuka and ParaKiss while taking a break from the blood and panty shots. Two series that were rather brutally honest in their portrayals of (young) love. Both on reflection get the endings they needed. But with Suzuka I felt relieved whereas with ParaKiss I felt as if someone sucker punched me in the stomach. To quote blink-182 "Well, I guess this is growing up". I'm glad they left the name of Yukari's fiancee out of the anime. Hiro in the anime doesn't come across as a really great match for Yukari. Also in 10 years time I'd have a hard problem that she was together with either of those boys.* In the anime when George asks her to come with him we already know things are over. If she says yes then she hasn't learned a thing and George will grow to hate her. If she has become the woman he hopes she is then her answer is no, she can't come with him. The 10 years later ending makes it seem like George is the one that "got away". That somewhere in the back of Yukari's head there is a ghost of George. And maybe that's the most realistic part of the anime. Oh well back to Bloody Ninja Panties or whatever is coming up this season. Iain. * And what kind of a fairy tale ending is being a successful model that marries their high school sweatheart who just happens to be a doctor. "Gee Hiro-kun after you're through talking to that cannibal killer would you like to see my new outfit?" More likely to die of a drug overdose or commit suicide from the pressure. That's our Caroline.

2006-01-19, 19:09	Link #67
deathsvengeance Dreams in Fear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: PA Age: 42	I was a little disappointed they left the name of her fiancee out (which was Tokumori-kun). At any rate, they also left out some important character development between Miwako and Arashi.. as well as Tokumori-kun, if you want to know what that is, read the manga. Overall, I felt that the final episode was incredibly rushed. It was jumping all over the place with no good transitions at all.

2006-01-19, 22:54	Link #68
TerryMathews Member Join Date: Jul 2004	I also feel the ending was a bit rushed and all over the place, but all in all I think it was a good, realistic ending. I especially like how George moved all the Parakiss stuff into (a storage garage?) and sent Yukari the key. It was a great, non-verbal way of saying "I'm never coming back." Was it the best anime ending? Not even close. It's above the top half though, I've been super disappointed in anime endings before. Escaflowne, for example.

2006-01-20, 00:04	Link #70
cynicalicious I like pie. Join Date: Nov 2004	Why is it I imagine the following discussion really happened between the producer and the director? "Ok.. that takes us to 11 epsiodes." "Ok, then in the last 13 episodes, we can address all the real issues, because the story is just starting, right?" "What last 13 episodes? We're only good for 1 more. Didn't you read the memo I sent?" "Uh-oh... Well, just do what we did with Beck then." I liked both Beck and ParaKiss a lot right up until the last episode, and then I was totally disappointed by the hack jobs both last episodes were. Mostly I was mad that they totally rushed through tons of good stories by just sort of "Oh yeah, then we went and did ___, and then we did ___...." It was just like a bad 3rd grade report. "I liked summer vacation. It was good. We went to the Grand Canyon. It was big. Then we saw Gramma and Grampa. They're old. The end." Well, it filled up 20 minutes, but sheesh. I wanted to see more of Arashi/Miwako/Hiro's plotline, too. And with George's friend whatshername coming from England... guh. So much room for good stories, and they just rush through it all. I didn't particularly care about who wound up with whom, but I would've at least liked to have understood why a little better. It just felt like totally incoherent blather. Bah. Now I'll just have to hunt the manga down. First 11 episodes, 9/10. Last episode, 4/10 for sloppiness. :P

2006-01-21, 00:45	Link #71
misakichii Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	is paradise kiss really that good? well i won't know untill i watch it. i've read summary and it doesn't all that interesting. but just a few days ago i found out that the author who wrote paradise kiss is the same author who wrote nana. so since nana is is good i might just give paradise kiss a try. oh, does anyone knows if nana will be made in anime. i hope it does since it's so good. it's one of the best shojo.

2006-01-21, 01:25	Link #73
misakichii Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	yea you're right since everyones got their own opinion. so are you saying that the anime has a devastating ending?

2006-01-22, 16:33	Link #74
ayame_rei Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Hey everyone, I just watched the ending for Paradise Kiss. I loved the series, but as it ended, I was kind of like, "Huh??" and I came to the forums for some kind of more satisfactory explanation. Can people who read the manga and watched the anime fill me in here? Why the heck does it end like that.... what really happens in the manga and what parts did Kobayashi cut out in the anime? I feel like the director sacrificed a lot of stuff at the end to wrap up the story in the last episode. MrProphet's post on page three of the forum was really interesting--MrProphet, please explain more if you read this--!! The thing that bugged me the most at the end was I felt really confused about my feelings toward the characters and their actions--I think this might be because so much was cut out and as many have suggested, the director might have imposed his own interpretation onto Yazawa's original one.... so can people who have seen both the anime and manga comment back.... how do you feel about what happened in the ending, and how was it different from what happens in the manga, and what do you feel about the characters at the end....?

2006-01-24, 16:19	Link #78
Xess Go Suzuka! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Malaysia	Ahh, thanks for the summary of the manga mytrivo. That seems to make a hell lot more sense than what happened in the anime. 12 episodes really crunched it up too much and there seems like there were gaps here and there and stuff somehow didn't add up. Should really have been a 13 or 14 episode show. However, I'm glad they did away with that SD nonsense after the first few episodes. It was annoying and really didn't fit into the theme of a serious show like this. The ending of the manga is more to the ending I would have envisioned and the changes are kinda weird. George almost seemed too flawless in the ending of the anime and it seemed kinda wrong. It really did feel like he was just using Yukari as his dress-up Barbie, and also felt like a Hollywood relationship that would surely end up in disaster. Well, but in the end, I guess she did choose the right person to marry in my opinion.

2006-01-27, 01:35	Link #79
Miacis Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, USA	Excuse me, but does anybody know the band and song name of the music that plays during 17:05 to 17:33 in episode 12?