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Alavon · 2009-12-29, 22:09

Okay...Lindy is Fate's official mother... >.> Too confusing to continue. But don't forget that Precia perfected Project F that Jail created...

Noe · 2009-12-29, 22:15

I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy.

TheShinySword · 2009-12-29, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Noe

I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy.

I think this might be the best, and least confusing, template to follow

Demi. · 2009-12-29, 22:26

It's the best template unless you like being confused.

Nya~n · 2009-12-29, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Noe

I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy.

That'll be LEGAL mothers.

Alavon · 2009-12-29, 22:58

You're absolutely right; it's less confusing.

RadiantBeam · 2009-12-29, 23:17

Canon already shows that Fate considers Alicia her sister, anyway.

Sheba · 2009-12-30, 03:36

I can't believe that people are kicking, flailing and punching at the thought of Fate having possibly a father or even having Jail as one. It's not like it is going the first instance of a non traditional family in a show filled with them. I'll add that a "Luke I am your father" possible scenario is just too much to let it slip, remember that said father in Return of the Jedi redeemed himself in the end.
Also, Fate is a clone, not the product of the Immaculate Conception.

Nya~n · 2009-12-30, 03:58

Yea well Sheba, you know the fandom and the first Commandment

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1. A penis shalt noth be related to Fate whether it be shipping, sex or the origin of all 23 chromosomes that isn't Precia's.

Keroko · 2009-12-30, 06:08

Actually, the whole 'Jail is your father' thing was born out of a quote from Tre, who told Fate not to say such sad things about Jail because "The doctor, as well as for that boy and others, is your birth father."

Also note that Fate has no comeback to this. No denial. The only reply she can give is "Shut up!"

MeisterBabylon · 2009-12-30, 09:10

I always thot it's referring to Project F but meh.

Sheba · 2009-12-30, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Also note that Fate has no comeback to this. No denial. The only reply she can give is "Shut up!"

Dysfunctional families yo.

Nya~n · 2009-12-30, 09:18

Well, at least Jail didn't start touching her for Erio and Caro to call up Child Crimes...

TheShinySword · 2009-12-30, 10:32

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

I always thot it's referring to Project F but meh.

She is, she doesn't mean he's literally her blood related father (erio's a clone of another couple's son so that can't be what she means). But in the sense that without Jail's direct involvement she wouldn't have life, Jail is her father.

RadiantBeam · 2009-12-30, 11:00

In terms of who "created" Fate, Jail is definitely her father. They aren't blood related, but he was the one who started the research for cloning. Precia pretty much perfected it to her own means. So if you want to think of her parents as who "created" her, Precia would be Fate's mother and Jail would be Fate's father.

Demi. · 2009-12-30, 13:56

Something doesn't feel right about "because I aided in your creation, I am your father"

Keroko · 2009-12-30, 15:44

*shrug* Why not? Precia also 'aided in Fate's creation' in a similar way as Jail did after all.

And Fate sure didn't deny it. She didn't like it, oh no she did not like it at all, but she did not deny it.

Demi. · 2009-12-30, 15:54

Because were his genes used in the making of Fate, or did he just create project F and Precia used project F to create Fate.

I'll agree if It's the former, but if it's the latter then Scaglietti is the father under what basis? What if a man were to force a female to have sex with another man, and she procreated, would that mean the child has two fathers? Certainly both men aided in creating the child, but one of them is not related by blood, or legally. I don't get it. *shrug*

RadiantBeam · 2009-12-30, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Demi.

Something doesn't feel right about "because I aided in your creation, I am your father"

Well, now you're moving into touchy territory here. "Creating" someone certainly makes one a father, but... at the same time, not quite. Part of being a parent is not only having a child, but raising the child. So while Jail can say he's Fate's father because he "created" her, he's not really her father in the sense that he didn't raise her to make her who she is now.

Keroko · 2009-12-30, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Demi.

Because were his genes used in the making of Fate, or did he just create project F and Precia used project F to create Fate.

I'll agree if It's the former, but if it's the latter then Scaglietti is the father under what basis? What if a man were to force a female to have sex with another man, and she procreated, would that mean the child has two fathers? Certainly both men aided in creating the child, but one of them is not related by blood, or legally. I don't get it. *shrug*

Genes matter not, if genes were all that mattered, Lindy wouldn't be Fate's mother, Genya wouldn't be the Nakajima daughters' father, Nanoha wouldn't be Vivio's mother etc. etc.

Likewise, Precia didn't use her genes in creating Fate. Oh sure, her genes were used in creating Alicia, but afterwards it was Alicia's genes that were used to create Fate. It's an ethical debate that steps on all kinds of toes should you throw it out in the real world. Me? I prefer looking at the reaction of the people involved. And Fate's reaction spoke volumes of what she thought about the situation.

2009-12-29, 22:09	Link #1341
Alavon Worshipper of Nanoha... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In my imagination...	Okay...Lindy is Fate's official mother... >.> Too confusing to continue. But don't forget that Precia perfected Project F that Jail created... __________________ My stories can be found here:http://www.fanfiction.net/~alavon Archaeology: The Most Misunderstood Profession

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Noe HARDCORE Fate addict™ Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fate's futon ofc Age: 31	I just consider Alicia as a sister with the original template for Fate. Then it branches off with Fate's two mothers - Precia and Lindy. __________________ ALL HAIL FATE T. HARLAOWN! #Feitoism @ irc.rizon.net to revere, share, and cherish Fate Testarossa Harlaown. My blog

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Demi. Ass connoisseur Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Age: 37	It's the best template unless you like being confused. __________________

2009-12-29, 22:58	Link #1346
Alavon Worshipper of Nanoha... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In my imagination...	You're absolutely right; it's less confusing. __________________ My stories can be found here:http://www.fanfiction.net/~alavon Archaeology: The Most Misunderstood Profession

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MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	I always thot it's referring to Project F but meh. __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2009-12-30, 03:36	Link #1348
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	I can't believe that people are kicking, flailing and punching at the thought of Fate having possibly a father or even having Jail as one. It's not like it is going the first instance of a non traditional family in a show filled with them. I'll add that a "Luke I am your father" possible scenario is just too much to let it slip, remember that said father in Return of the Jedi redeemed himself in the end. Also, Fate is a clone, not the product of the Immaculate Conception.

2009-12-30, 06:08	Link #1350
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Actually, the whole 'Jail is your father' thing was born out of a quote from Tre, who told Fate not to say such sad things about Jail because "The doctor, as well as for that boy and others, is your birth father." Also note that Fate has no comeback to this. No denial. The only reply she can give is "Shut up!"

2009-12-30, 09:18	Link #1353
Nya~n umbrella moe~♥ Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: huh wha-?	Well, at least Jail didn't start touching her for Erio and Caro to call up Child Crimes... __________________

2009-12-30, 13:56	Link #1356
Demi. Ass connoisseur Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Age: 37	Something doesn't feel right about "because I aided in your creation, I am your father" __________________

2009-12-30, 15:44	Link #1357
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	shrug Why not? Precia also 'aided in Fate's creation' in a similar way as Jail did after all. And Fate sure didn't deny it. She didn't like it, oh no she did not like it at all, but she did not deny it.

2009-12-30, 15:54	Link #1358
Demi. Ass connoisseur Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Age: 37	Because were his genes used in the making of Fate, or did he just create project F and Precia used project F to create Fate. I'll agree if It's the former, but if it's the latter then Scaglietti is the father under what basis? What if a man were to force a female to have sex with another man, and she procreated, would that mean the child has two fathers? Certainly both men aided in creating the child, but one of them is not related by blood, or legally. I don't get it. shrug __________________ Last edited by Demi.; 2009-12-30 at 16:28.