2013-04-14, 22:43 | Link #1065 | |
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Well, the way I see it, it is like someone lent 20 bucks to Steve Jobs during his college days (which was paid back soon) and then claims that he had a fundamental role in the creation of the Apple franchise.
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2013-04-14, 22:52 | Link #1066 |
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I heard that one thing China isn't looking forward to when N. Korea collapses is what could be millions of people making an exodus into China after that collapse. Not all of them will just integrate with South Korea. Many of those close to the Chinese border are bound to enter China.
China might have been aiding N. Korea, in part, because they don't want all those immigrants pouring into their country.
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2013-04-14, 23:38 | Link #1067 | |
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China doesn't want the responsibility of looking after millions of refugees that have been living in poverty for generations. It's easier for someone else to look after them by providing aid and food. I'm sure the South Koreans after seeing what happened between East and West Germany aren't exactly keen on it either. It's like pouring two glasses of water into one larger cup. South Korea has maybe 60% but North Korea has less than 1%. |
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2013-04-14, 23:43 | Link #1068 | |
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And come to think of it, it's most likely that the primary reason China has been aiding N. Korea is because they don't want to deal with refugees. Maybe decades ago they were their ally because of the Chinese civil war and the aid they got from N. Korea, but in recent decades, it has probably been because of the refugee thing, not an "I.O.U." to N. Korea. China wouldn't still be putting up with N. Korea over some "I.O.U.".
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2013-04-15, 05:29 | Link #1069 |
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North Korea looks inward for founder's birthday, tensions ease
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93D0DS20130415
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2013-04-15, 06:49 | Link #1070 | |
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2013-04-15, 08:51 | Link #1072 | ||
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As you said, South Korea would literally be forced to carry the heavy burden for the North Koreans for over a century or even more. I know the Soviet Union was brutal but I don't think the conditions compare to that of North Korea. Quote:
The only reason the Chinese got invovled was because the American general was pushing towards their border quickly. He was ordered NOT to go too close but did anyways so out of logical concern they counter attacked. Remember, this was the whole communist vs. democracy thing so a democratic country under the US didn't bode well with the Chinese. At this point now that China and the US are strongly tied together and aren't interersted in fighting each other it's a matter of the refugees. |
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2013-04-15, 09:45 | Link #1073 | |
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East German population: 16.3 million West German population: 62.1 million Percentage of: 26% North Korea Population: 24.7 million South Korea population: 48.9 million Percentage of: 50% East German GDP/Capita: $9.6k West German GDP/Capita: $15.3k Percentage of: 63% North Korea GDP per capita: $1.8K South Korean GDP per capita: $32.4k Percentage of: 5% During reunification, South Korea will have to process twice as many people relative to their population as East Germany had to. And despite the dramatically lower GDP per capita, at least there WAS an industrialized economy to take over. But considering that the average GDP per capita in North Korea is 5% of what it is in the South...It's simply impossible for South Korea to take charge of 25 million people living on a peasant level, and instantly bring them up to even the standards of what would be poverty in South Korea. I can only imagine what reunification would do to South Korea's GINI coefficient. It'd take decades, perhaps even over half a century for South Korea to build up the North economically. As it is, the only way I could see a Korean unification happening anytime soon would be with the establishment of an apartheid system.
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2013-04-15, 10:34 | Link #1076 | |
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-Sunshine- Didn't go anywhere other than money for NK current gov. -Reunification tax-Killed by the government I believe. -Economic Co-Op Plan such as Kaesong-Shot dead by North Korea last week. And what you propose is really delaying the inevitable. "As a separate state until ready" means no change for the current status quo....except now North Korea is no longer obligated to keep their populace from fleeing the place. It might be same as the current North Korea! No matter what happens, SK will be obligated to transfer massive amount of resources to bring North into South anyway. |
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2013-04-15, 10:43 | Link #1077 |
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I heard it once before that should the Kims be overthrown and a military junta takes over, we'll get a radicalized North Korea. But somehow I doubt that, and tend to think they'll be more or less the same.
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2013-04-15, 11:28 | Link #1078 | |
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How much autonomy will this separate post DPRK administration have? Considering the massive economic imbalance, I have a hard time imagining it being anything other than a subsidiary state controlled directly by Seoul. And while nominally the objective will be to build up the North AND protect the economic stability/interests of the South...won't the ROK government have a temptation to put South Korean interests ahead of Northern ones? Given all the recurring problems in Germany despite having a much more ideal situation, I have a hard time thinking any of this will easily go according to plan.
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Believe me, having researched this for my one of my university thesis makes me appreciate just how much hardness the north shall have to face because of the depth it is in right now. |
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2013-04-15, 11:51 | Link #1080 |
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Sumeragi, I get the feeling that you are talking about some far fetched fantasy exceeding even the German reunification that never happened in reality
In between, I hope north koreans don't launch any nukes or scuds or whatever crap they produced by starving their population like the south was doing for the first 30 years after their civil war on my head
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