2004-11-22, 23:18 | Link #1 |
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Senate May Ram Copyright Bill
Okay, this is about a week old, but I'm curious if anyone knows how it turned out.
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0...w=wn_tophead_2 It is a sad day when the RIAA and Hollywood push to have laws passed that undermine things like fair use and make it a criminal offense to skip the previews on DVD movies or the commerials during television programs. Although if it did go through, the American Department of Justice is now Hollywood and the RIAA's law firm. |
2004-11-23, 00:19 | Link #2 |
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Not to be brash or abrasive here, but the RIAA and the MPAA can go kiss my little white a**. I don't care what laws they pass, I WILL do what I want with the media I own and they can kiss my a** if they think they're going to change it. Block me from burning DVD's, fine, I'll just hack my drive to get around your security. Try to send me to jail for doing it. Fine, I'll just conseal my activities. Try to peak in on what I'm doing. I'll just hide my machine. Block me from getting any hardware that allows me to do ANYTHING you don't like. Fine, I'll go out of the country and buy my hardware there.
They just don't get it. All they're doing is turning their own customers against them. In time the people are going to get so sick of it that the battle will totally turn against the RIAA and MPAA, people will demand media freedom, and laws will be turned against them. And for what? They're already making outrageous fortunes screwing everyone from the top of the ladder down to joe nobody, yet they want more??? o_0 I'm sorry if I sound a bit crass, but this is a sore subject with me. I'm going to stop now before I get really obnoxious about this corporate powered greed induced money gorging fest. Gauds I hate greed. |
2004-11-23, 00:35 | Link #3 | |
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All it would take is a convienent pay site for downloading movies and they would make another fortune like iTunes is doing with music. But instead they want to play hardball. They're stupid and/or stubborn. -k curious |
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2004-11-23, 02:05 | Link #4 | |
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2004-11-23, 10:55 | Link #5 | |
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They should just consider it as fact at this point that by being a step behind the times in terms of evolving technology they have allowed their existing catalogs of copyrighted movies and songs to slip into the public domain where liberal standards of fair use will apply. Their copyrights may still be in effect from a technical standpoint which can be used to stop the illegal sale of protected works, but in practical terms it's now more difficult for the holder of the copyright to turn a profit off something that's already been freely distributed across much of the planet. Taking a legal stick to consumers won't change this. |
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2004-11-23, 11:08 | Link #6 | ||
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2004-11-23, 11:12 | Link #7 |
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Think it this way:
They make profit about 40,000 bucks per won case. In their last campaign, they won 85% of cases, which means they won about 450 cases out of 500. This means they can make some serious cash by tracking down potential BT users, suing them and thus forcing them to pay, knowing that the lawyers cost sick amounts of money in US. New career and all that. Silicon Valley = Center of Technology. Hollywood = Folly of American Law. Can't blame yankees wanting to live in Canada. |
2004-11-23, 14:55 | Link #9 | |
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2004-11-23, 17:31 | Link #10 |
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Well, that's certainly one way to look at it. Too bad they'll have to learn the hard way that if you make something like downloading music illegal, everyone will want to do it. Make it legal, and the interest will quickly die off or wane considerably. It's been proven before in numerous situations. Prohibition is a good example of this. There was more alcohol bought during prohibition and the couple of years proceeding it than after it because it was illegal and it was cool to do illegal things. It's human nature. Take away the incentives to download music and you take away the interests to do it.
Here's another example. A hotel down in florida (name escapes me right now) used to have a sign in their hotel rooms that read "Don't fish from the balcony" because their east side windows were all directly above either the ocean, or some lake nearby. Either way, the reason behind it was because of a restaurant they had on the first floor (you've seen pictures of it in hurricane footage where the waves bust through the windows of the restaurant) had glass windows that were close to the waterline. IF someone tossed in a line it was very likely that the sinker would smack the window and break it. Well, this never happened before they put up the sign but happened none stop after they put up the signs. Once they took them down, the problem went away. RIAA and MPAA can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that sure, you go after the people actually pirating and making money off your stuff, but DON'T go after the customers because they're downloading music or movies. Where are they profiteering? They're not. The true pirates of music and movies are the ones costing the industry money by taking away sales. Downloaders of music and movies interestingly enough fall into two catagores. 1. They would never, ever, ever for any reason buy the movie on DVD or pay to watch it in the theaters. SO since they'd never pay money to see the movie anyways (heck, a lot of these people will wait for it to come on TV for free even or copy it from a friend) the industry is not loosing money because these people will never be customers, so since there is nothing to gain, there can be no loss. 2. These people who make up the vast majority of downloaders actually download movies and music to preview it. Then if they like what they heard, they DO go out and buy the music and movies. The industry should be courting these potential customers simply because these are the same people who WOULD NOT have bought the same music or movies had they not downloaded them and previewed them first. I'm not saying that we should make everything free on the net, but we should definately encourage people to buy the products after they download them. IF you look at the leachers here at AS. About 70% (this is my guess because I don't have any hard facts, so take it with a grain of salt) of the people here who download anime from AS actually buy the anime series after they've downloaded it. I know I certainly have. Same with manga. I've honestly bought about 4-5x's more anime and manga since fansubbing and scanslating came around than before. Another one of the bigger problems with the media industry as a whole (not just riaa and the mpaa) is that with the exception of some in the industry, the big players would prefer to keep using the same tired, worn out, beaten to death things going and reuse them over and over and over and over again until they're beyond dead before moving to something newer. People want new and fresh. The industry prefers to move along like a rock. IE only move when you're forced to. Then when you can stop, just stay there as long as you can till you have to move again. It's stupid. Problem is, these guys have heads thicker than a granite mountain. *sigh* Anywho, until the industry is ready to move in sync with their customers rather than attack them frequently and extort them for ludicrious amounts of cash, then they will continue to be stuck in the same situation they are now and no amount of lawsuits or legislation will stop it. (EDIT: Damn I'm long winded. o_0;;) |
2004-11-23, 19:52 | Link #11 | |
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Personally, i prefer to watch movies and listen to music when it is distributed privately. the RIAA and MPAA have really gotten so scornful of their consumers that i've lost the flavor for alot of major record labels and movie distribution companies. When they started playing those "Piracy is wrong" ads in their movies and then doubled the advertisements to go along with it... i felt sick. |
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2004-11-24, 00:08 | Link #12 | |
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2004-11-24, 00:45 | Link #13 |
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What do they intend to do with people who watch TV on their computers if this passes? Make them keep the PCs on 27x7 with no downtime? Hope they're planning to subsidize electricity and electronic purchases, then.
It just sounds like the usual vague doubletalk that goes on in politics. Side note. Data, however, is not free. It costs money to collect, money to collate, money to interpret, money to store, money to distribute, and so on. If people want to and can eat the costs, then they can, but it's still their call.
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2004-11-24, 01:33 | Link #14 |
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It looks like they drastically changed the bill. HR2391 was revised to SB3021 and passed in the Senate. Now it needs to be passed in the House in December.
People who bring camcorders into movie theaters to leech will be punished and we will still be allowed to skip commercials and previews. The article also says that there's no new punishments for file sharers. Overall, not too bad compared to the original. Here's the link to the article http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,65796,00.html |
2004-11-24, 01:44 | Link #15 | |
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I wouldn't say you're being crass or abrasive; you're just not stopping to think beyond the knee-jerk response. It seems to be a fad to hate on the RIAA. Whatever philosophy that was spouted over the cup of hemlock seems to have died nowadays. |
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2004-11-24, 04:39 | Link #17 | ||
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2004-11-24, 05:24 | Link #18 | |
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2004-11-24, 10:15 | Link #19 |
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I'd recommend a more powerful and perfectly legal form of protest than complaining or breaking the law.
Just boycott MPAA and RIAA goods/services. I do know it isn't a simple matter, especially if you're attached to the stuff they make. But then ... now I'm beginning to ramble. |
2004-11-24, 11:41 | Link #20 |
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I agree. IF you want to get your point across, don't use, listen to, or watch any of their members products. Get your friends and family to do the same and fully explain why, then have them get their friends and other family members involved. After a while you'll get the whole town involved and much, much more.
You also have to explain why, and to some people that's going to be hard, because to them they don't see how this will affect them and they may even see the side of the RIAA/MPAA at which point your arguments seem like those of a thieves. IE: "I stole that car because I wanted to." which will fly with them about as well as a lead balloon. If you're going to argue with them about this, argue with them about how much more this is going to cost them in the long run. Tell them about how RIAA/MPAA plans to ransack their pockets for every dime they can get. Go the money route. You wanna see someone turn against something in a hurry, bring money into the picture. That is the one thing that will turn someone for or against something really bloody quick.l You don't believe me that this is true? Then why do so many people stand in line for super market specials of no name products instead of just always buying the same products that they like and know well. It's because it's cheaper and less money is involved on their part. So if you use money as an argument, you will easily win. And if you need examples as to what they will do to gouge you for money, there's more than sufficient examples on the net. More than I care to list. -_-;; |
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