Code Geass R2 - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[Dann of Thursday]

Suzaku put him in the perfect trap since he can't put up an act unless he hurts her feelings and his own as well.

And apparently C.C. also came for the Death Threat box containing her Cheese-kun stuff. I didn't know she was that protective of them.

[KrimzonStriker]

Cheese-kun products are serious business Dann

[nanatsusaya]

Am I the only one who's getting tired of Kallen's FS? 2/3 the time she's just there for some panty shots & it really restrains me from respecting her as whoever she is.

Believe me, I tried

[Dann of Thursday]

I know she liked Cheese-kun, but the message on that box seemed out of character for her. And is "Beard Face" a nickname for Lelouch?

And 2/3 isn't all that accurate a ratio really. It doesn't constitute that much. At least I don't think it does.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by JagdPanther

I like how people are defending Kallen's fanservice simply because she's Kallen.

I like how people feel the need to defend Kallen's fanservice in the first place.

Just either:

1. Shut up and fap

or

2. Overlook it because lol anime

[gabbytay]

Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker

Cheese-kun products are serious business Dann

rolo will kill anyone touching his locket.
C.C will kill anyone touching cheese-kun.
Lelouche will kill anyone hurting nunnuly.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I know she liked Cheese-kun, but the message on that box seemed out of character for her. And is "Beard Face" a nickname for Lelouch?

I think it was a message to Charles after they cleared out Lelouch's room, and last I checked Lelouch didn't have a beard... >_>

Originally Posted by gabbytay

rolo will kill anyone touching his locket.
C.C will kill anyone touching cheese-kun.
Lelouche will kill anyone hurting nunnuly.

Serious business, like I said

See, it gets better once you know how to laugh a little Dann

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

I like how people feel the need to defend Kallen's fanservice in the first place.

Just either:

1. Shut up and fap

or

2. Overlook it because lol anime

I literally lol-ed at #1.

[KrimzonStriker]

Honestly, the fan-service isn't a big deal unless you make it a big deal. I didn't care for it some of the time, but I didn't let it ruin the whole episode for me. It's all about mindset, and it was about what I expected so I'm satisfied with Turn 5 as it was

[dom33]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

So you didn't see Kallen in skimpy black clothes that showed practically everything as well as that ass shot? Viletta is the only one with a scene similar to Kallen. C.C. had a panty shot and that is it. Nothing too big really.

I agree it was because of the heat, but that doesn't make the fanservice any less blatent.

Kallen's top showed some parts of her breast not more than 75% like Viletta's top.(let's not talk about what they were wearing for bottoms, considering Viletta.) C.C had a crotch/panty shoot and the stuff with the tomatoes was pretty NSFW.

I never said it wasn't blatent for CG or TTGL.

[nanatsusaya]

Originally Posted by dom33

Kallen's top showed some parts of her breast not more than 75% like Viletta's top.(let's not talk about what they were wearing for bottoms, considering Viletta.) C.C had a crotch/panty shoot and the stuff with the tomatoes was pretty NSFW.

I never said it wasn't blatent for CG or TTGL.

C.C.'s tomatoes scene is made to get people's imagination run wild As for Kallen 'n Viletta, things go a bit more... graphic Doesn't need to compare one hotter than another

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

2. Overlook it because lol anime

This is what it comes down to in the end. Honestly, it's not so in-your-face as it could be, with the potential exception of Kallen's ass occupying 8/10ths of the screen after she glomps Lulu in that Kappa/or-whatever costume. But if one watches anime, one learns to expect and overlook fanservice. I used to go facepalm at it years ago, now I barely blink in surprise.

[blitz1/2]

Originally Posted by gabbytay

rolo will kill anyone touching his locket.
C.C will kill anyone touching cheese-kun.
Lelouche will kill anyone hurting nunnuly.

Suzaku will kill anyone getting in his way.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

This is what it comes down to in the end. Honestly, it's not so in-your-face as it could be, with the potential exception of Kallen's ass occupying 8/10ths of the screen after she glomps Lulu in that Kappa/or-whatever costume. But if one watches anime, one learns to expect and overlook fanservice. I used to go facepalm at it years ago, now I barely blink in surprise.

I used to be in the party that facepalmed while he was watching and fapped to it afterwards.

You're right about learning to overlook fanservice, though. Nowadays, I don't really care when I'm actually watching.

[Alleluia_Cone]

I've not read the whole thread in detail, but in glancing over it, it seems that most of the discussion centers around what many people see as unnecessary fan-service. I agree that this latest episode contains many such instances, and plenty of gratuitous shots of the female cast, but I'm surprised that so many are bothered by it. This is especially puzzling to me when the reason cited against this pandering to the male audience is a question of time, and how much of it is being wasted on this non-plot aspect of the show. My argument is that, really, when it comes down to it, how much time does it really waste?

I don't remember every single instance of fan-service in the episode, and I have no interest in doing a frame-by-frame analysis of the footage to document its every appearance, but from what sticks out in my memory, the only prominent fan-service involved Kallen under the mascot suit and Villetta in the swim suit. Now, I may be mistaken in my estimation, but combined, the screen-time devoted to explicit, sexualized shots of their respective assets, could not have exceed a minute-and-a-half. In fact, it was probably much less time than that, but even taking my number as fact, 90 seconds does not make or break a show.

Lastly, I know many credible points can be made against the fan-service for other reasons outside the question of how much time it occupies, starting with, but not limited to, a whole host of feminist lines of argument regarding how exploitative of woman these moments are and so on. But given the genre Code Geass occupies, isn't this sort of thing to be expected, or rather, isn't it silly to be critical of the show for embodying all those conventions it wishes to occupy? I feel it is the equivalent of criticizing Pulp Fiction for being violent or kitsch.

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by Alleluia_Cone

My argument is that, really, when it comes down to it, how much time does it really waste?

Not much, especially if you consider that very often people are talking at that time, like Kallen talking to C.C. or in this episode to Lelouch. Just about the only instance here where time was really wasted was with Viletta and the swim-club girls, from what I remember of the episode.

[Bloodseeker]

Originally Posted by Alleluia_Cone

I've not read the whole thread in detail, but in glancing over it, it seems that most of the discussion centers around what many people see as unnecessary fan-service. I agree that this latest episode contains many such instances, and plenty of gratuitous shots of the female cast, but I'm surprised that so many are bothered by it. This is especially puzzling to me when the reason cited against this pandering to the male audience is a question of time, and how much of it is being wasted on this non-plot aspect of the show. My argument is that, really, when it comes down to it, how much time does it really waste?

I don't remember every single instance of fan-service in the episode, and I have no interest in doing a frame-by-frame analysis of the footage to document its every appearance, but from what sticks out in my memory, the only prominent fan-service involved Kallen under the mascot suit and Villetta in the swim suit. Now, I may be mistaken in my estimation, but combined, the screen-time devoted to explicit, sexualized shots of their respective assets, could not have exceed a minute-and-a-half. In fact, it was probably much less time than that, but even taking my number as fact, 90 seconds does not make or break a show.

Lastly, I know many credible points can be made against the fan-service for other reasons outside the question of how much time it occupies, starting with, but not limited to, a whole host of feminist lines of argument regarding how exploitative of woman these moments are and so on. But given the genre Code Geass occupies, isn't this sort of thing to be expected, or rather, isn't it silly to be critical of the show for embodying all those conventions it wishes to occupy? I feel it is the equivalent of criticizing Pulp Fiction for being violent or kitsch.

The only thing that you needed to say was "Only like 90 seconds of the episode was wasted on fanservice. Quit your bitching."

Also, those "feminists" (I use that term lightly in the case of these people, since feminists fight for women's rights, and they're not fighting for women's rights so much as they are just trying to get rid of things that they find tasteless) are a bunch of damn hypocrites. The human race would be in trouble if men stopped objectifying women and visa versa. They should feel relieved that men appreciate the female form as much as they do.

[KrimzonStriker]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

Not much, especially if you consider that very often people are talking at that time, like Kallen talking to C.C. or in this episode to Lelouch. Just about the only instance here where time was really wasted was with Viletta and the swim-club girls, from what I remember of the episode.

Well, no actually, that helped verify her feelings for Ougi when she recalled him being a teacher... until Lelouch came and wrecked that image. Good job on his part, his recent conversion techniques will really enamor all his new subordinates for years to come

[Freya]

Dude I want a cheese-kun!

[[DOT].L]

I was confused when a friend of mine told me there's a lot of T&A in this episode. Now I see what he meant.