Another - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

That clears it, thanks. Oh, but there was no connection how so ever; I meant, except for her mother, the others were involved by "knowing what shouldn't be known" or something like that.

Arg! My head hurts! hehehe

There is just not enough data to pinpoint the exact method of victim selection. It's possible that it's completely random, and the fact that the first few who died, seemed to do so because they started acknowledging Mei, might be a coincidence. It's also possible that the rules change depending on the countermeasures used, and now that no countermeasures whatsoever are in place at the moment, victim selection is truly random. Or not.

[Stiletto]

I'm dense as fuck. Didn't even know the brother was.... ahem before the dozar thing.

I'm also super disappointed. My second favorite babe besides Izumi drove off the cliff. With her parents, no less. Which is rather sad....

Surprised how many deaths there were, though! That was the real eye opener this episode. So the curse wasn't actively stirred and only benignly took only one per month or is there something more?

Though I'm empathy devoid and completely lack the foresight and observation skills, that glare Izumi gave Mei says volumes. I guess she's back to suspecting her.

Yeah. I just won't think about it. Better off just watching it and not wracking my poor brain over this. Liked the episode.

[NoemiChan]

Spoiler for Questions:

Will you die if:

1. You gonna tell "it"?
2. You wanna know "it"?
3. Just because you are a relative of one from class C and innocent from anything that is happening.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Spoiler for Questions:

Will you die if:

1. You gonna tell "it"?
2. You wanna know "it"?
3. Just because you are a relative of one from class C and innocent from anything that is happening.

1. That's just my guess but while some people might know more than they're telling nobody really knows the exact reason so you can't tell it.
2. I guess we can safely assume that the calamity will try to kill someone if you dig too deep.
3. If you're connected to class 3 in any way then it's possible to die. The nurse was family as well as Yukari's mother and Yumi's brother.

As for the episode, I was raging so hard the entire time because they kept showing death flags for Yumi. Thank god that in the end only her brother died. Never really liked the other girl anyway.
Also I really start to like Sugiura with every episode more :3

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Take the recently minced Nakao, for example. Plenty of viewers wondered last week why he suddenly joined the beach trip. He didn't seem to have any reason to be with the "main" characters. Yet it was hinted quite a few episodes earlier that he and Sugiura were likely members of the counter-measures team, together with Akazawa. It's further hinted that he and Sugiura were possibly close friends, if not potential boy-girl friends, based on various body-language hints in Ep5. And in this episode, for example, look at how devastated Sugiura seemed in the aftermath of Nakao's death.

After (quickly) fast-forwarding through episode 5 I haven't seen anything that would lead me to the conclusion that they might be boy/girlfriends. Mind telling me which scene(s) you mean?

[PreSage]

Dang, I was sitting at the edge of my seat through this whole episode...then the tape got ruin and I was like...well, I figured that would happen, but still I was going...NOOOO! I wanna know!

So many deaths in one episode! Seems like the deeper they try to figure out the phenomena the angrier it gets. I knew something was going to happen to one of those 2 girls but never suspected an entire family and a sibling all in one day (this multiple deaths in this episode is a bit reminiscent of the multiple deaths that occured in the tape recording while the previous class-3 ran down the mountain...coincidental similarity?

And I think I can guess who the next victim will be, sadly. I like that character.

[kk2extreme]

Note to self: never stay a house downhill with construction equipments uphill

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

Note to self: never stay a house downhill with construction equipments uphill

Add this, never park your vehicle in a downhill especially in a wet day and if your vehicle is a big truck with a big load!!!!...

...stupid driver, he's going to jail man...

[Dengar]

I'm just wondering, are people here in agreement that the "curse" is a thinking, conscious thing?

Cos I like to not think so, but I'm wondering what everyone else is thinking.

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm just wondering, are people here in agreement that the "curse" is a thinking, conscious thing?

That was my thinking back then in relation to the death of the girl by umbrella, the nurse and the boy who had the heart attack... Bu, its gradually changing....I can't find another obvious link except those already mention in the previous post.


I thought it was just an accident due to uncontrolled fear... but its evolving faster than we thought we know...
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[Qikz]

Had this crazy thought while I was out shopping today... What if the curse is only activated by people worrying about it? When the kid got electricuted and the girl fell off the mountain, they only died because they were scared. Especially the girl.

Look at Ritsuko's driving last episode, when going past that massive truck they were terrifyed, but after that she floored it thinking she was safe from the curse. What if it isn't the curse killing people, it's fear? The first girl died to slipping due to being afraid, the other deaths have been accidental, but completely random up until now.

[warita]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I'm just wondering, are people here in agreement that the "curse" is a thinking, conscious thing?

If the curse was not a conscious thing, then it wouldnt selectively alter the memories of people and the school records. Obviously, the "thing" knows what it is doing and it makes sure it can continue wracking havoc by killing off people, who come too close.

It is indeed a bit too much of a coincidence, that people connected to the investigation keep dying. The car sick dude because he went outside Yomiyama to find the student from 1983 and now the two girls who found out about the investigation right before the Sakakibara team went into the classroom to look for the evidence left behind. I am just surprised the team as such is still intact except the car sick dude, but he was a redshirt anyways. I bet this will change the next episode, when the shy boy who received the tape will die. I see that coming clearly.... poor thing, I kindo like him.

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by warita

If the curse was not a conscious thing, then it wouldnt selectively alter the memories of people and the school records. Obviously, the "thing" knows what it is doing and it makes sure it can continue wracking havoc by killing off people, who come too close.

The question is, is there really a conscious selective process behind this? I find it strange how many people assume that the calamity has something like a mind of it's own when so far everybody seems to treat it really not much like a curse but more like a "supernatural natural disaster".
Let's compare this to an area where annual floods are likely. The chance is very high that it will happen sometime and you start creating countermeassures, but only few people will actually decide right away to turn their backs on a place they call home. When the flood comes it just happens, you can't do anything against it but it's not like the river is consciously trying to kill you or drive you away...maybe you simply made a mistake when building the town which heightened the probability of a flood.
After the flood is over the water will vanish but the damage remains, still it's unlikely that you will be able to tell which part of the river actually damaged your poperty or killed your loved ones...because it's all water and looks the same to you. Probably you'd even start to forget after a while how exactly the flood was and how it happened...unless those people were close to you you'd probably even forget who exactly died.

I think it is more like this.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by warita

If the curse was not a conscious thing, then it wouldnt selectively alter the memories of people and the school records. Obviously, the "thing" knows what it is doing and it makes sure it can continue wracking havoc by killing off people, who come too close.

It is indeed a bit too much of a coincidence, that people connected to the investigation keep dying. The car sick dude because he went outside Yomiyama to find the student from 1983 and now the two girls who found out about the investigation right before the Sakakibara team went into the classroom to look for the evidence left behind. I am just surprised the team as such is still intact except the car sick dude, but he was a redshirt anyways. I bet this will change the next episode, when the shy boy who received the tape will die. I see that coming clearly.... poor thing, I kindo like him.

See there's the thing... If the thing really is a thinking conscious thing and didn't want people to get too close, what good would killing random bystanders such as Carsick Guy and Energetic Girl do? It should just kill Sakakibara and Mei. And Hot Countermeasures Girl just to be sure.

I just think there's either a random factor involved, a complicated formula, or perhaps both. It doesn't choose or discriminate. The choice of victim and time to "strike" all seem to adhere to a set of unknown rules. Cause of death seems to be completely reliant on current conditions, which is what led me to my earlier assumption that there is no manual interference of any kind, but rather, giving the 'victim' really, REALLY bad luck.

[PreSage]

I don't think the curse is actually consciously thinking but I do believe that there are "security features" (for lack of a better description) in place to protect the curse. For example, like erasing people's memories and altering them so that they can't resolve, prevent, or prohibit the curse from happening. So I do think that the deeper the students pry into the curse for a solution, the curse may counter with one of its "security features" like perhaps increasing the number and frequency of death (and just statistical probability, an increase in death will more likely lead to the death of those actively investigating the curse).

[Dengar]

What good does increasing the death toll do? If anything it will make those investigating want to work faster to resolve it sooner.

Besides, this is of course assuming the phenomenon (also assuming for a second that it is sentient) does not want to be found out about.

[Hakuromatsu]

Originally Posted by Dengar

What good does increasing the death toll do? If anything it will make those investigating want to work faster to resolve it sooner.

This is partially why I believe it was the phenomenon that caused Teshigawara to take the cassette out of the player while it was still running -- it was a possible alternative to killing all four of them on the spot. There were many ways to stop them from hearing the most important part of Matsunaga's recording, and the phenomenon "chose" a very simple one rather than a very lethal one.

[Dengar]

If the phenomenon really WAS sentient it would've killed them a LONG time ago.

Unless the phenomenon is sentient and also retarded.

Or worse than retarded: Maybe it hasn't even read the evil overlord's checklist.

[Hakuromatsu]

Originally Posted by Dengar

If the phenomenon really WAS sentient it would've killed them a LONG time ago.

I also don't think that it's sentient; Chibiki's "force of nature" is a clearer definition. But that doesn't mean that it can't do things that a sentient being would do, as though the phenomenon is a script programmed by some divine entity (I think I saw that analogy already, but I can't remember if it was on AS or not). We already know that the phenomenon is complex and has specific rules, and it's "intelligent" enough (or was "programmed" to be intelligent enough) to know in advance that Nakao was going to discuss the phenomenon with Matsunaga outside of Yomiyama and act accordingly.

[NoemiChan]

Does the curse make the victims do things that may result to their death or is it the curse that makes "the setting to be appropriate for an accident to occur that well result to their death?

[Eisdrache]

Both.

Damn 10char limit.