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KROMEangel · 2010-09-17, 18:11

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Originally Posted by ZGoten

Are there any petitions yet?

>>>>IT'S OVER 1000

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Royal_Devil · 2010-09-17, 18:11

Wait a minute Kyero, you said in one post that Bayonetta "still turned out sucking more thann just candy" then said it was awesome in another. So which is it or wtf do you mean?

Hooves · 2010-09-17, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Westlo

wtf...

You were bitching and whining about Bayonetta for weeks before you played the full game, whats with this revisionist bullcrap?

People change in awkward ways? Also this is news to me that Kyero Fox was whining about something before it released.. (But its none of my business to think about)

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Westlo

wtf...

You were bitching and whining about Bayonetta for weeks before you played the full game, whats with this revisionist bullcrap?

Yea but it was out, Before it actually came out I was like "meh" then it came out and i saw previews and spoilers. I admit my Opinions were a bit out there. but when i played and beat the game I was actually able to judge it 110%.

But yea, Unless the game is Pure shit like X blades. I'll give it a chance (unless its really not in my taste, but even those i dont evne bother talking about)

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Originally Posted by Royal_Devil

Wait a minute Kyero, you said in one post that Bayonetta "still turned out sucking more thann just candy" then said it was awesome in another. So which is it or wtf do you mean?

the gameplay was good, thats it... I can forgive and overlook crappy gameplay for good story and characters, but not the oppposite.

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Originally Posted by KROMEangel

>>>>IT'S OVER 1000

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A smack to the face to any GOOD fan? yea fuck that, any GOOD fan would give it a chance.

Royal_Devil · 2010-09-17, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

yea fuck that, any GOOD fan would give it a chance.

Who are you to say what makes a good fan or a bad fan? Seriously, just because we're not placing great in faith in what we've seen so far like you have doesn't make us any better or worse a fan than you.

Can you tell me what you think Ninja Theory has done well enough gamplay wise that they can make something like 1, 3, and 4? Or are you okay with DMC playing more like God of War? You may say I'm assuming too much here but there's more to support the assumption they'll go GOW with this based on their past games.

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 19:08

who are they to say GOOD fans should hate/dislike the game? Hmm?

Royal_Devil · 2010-09-17, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

who are they to say GOOD fans should hate/dislike the game? Hmm?

I never said that was right either. Being the opposite end of a bad extreme is still a bad extreme.

KROMEangel · 2010-09-17, 19:10

Man, this thread should be retitled "Devil Made us Cry."

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 19:17

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Originally Posted by KROMEangel

Man, this thread should be retitled "Devil Made us Cry."

lol thats a good one XD

ZGoten · 2010-09-17, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Royal_Devil

Who are you to say what makes a good fan or a bad fan? Seriously, just because we're not placing great in faith in what we've seen so far like you have doesn't make us any better or worse a fan than you.

Can you tell me what you think Ninja Theory has done well enough gamplay wise that they can make something like 1, 3, and 4? Or are you okay with DMC playing more like God of War? You may say I'm assuming too much here but there's more to support the assumption they'll go GOW with this based on their past games.

To be fair, 1`s gameplay doesn't hold a candle to 3 and 4's. Yeah it was goundbreaking but in direct comparison it pales. Anyway, I have trust in Ninja Theory to bring us a good dmc, no doubt. My only complain is Capcom's (?) totally incompetent decision.

I mean come on, Dante, arguably the coolest video game character in gaming, second only to the Duke himself maybe, being replaced by this?! What I want to say ist that not only moralwise or however you may want to call it, but also from a marketing perspective, this is a really bad decision. People love Dante, not only in Japan. I'm not sure if Capcom is aware of that, but you won't find any top ten coolest character list anywhere without Dante in it. It's like saying "I don't think Italians like spaghetti, let's give 'em Sushi instead"...

I mean did the dmc games sell bad, or why did they come to the conclusion of having to redesign their franchise's leading man? Even if they did, this definately is the wrong way of trying to improve the sales. People love Dante, both in the east and in the west, even many of those who've never really played a game of the series, and Capcom wanting to replace him, imo, is a clear sign of them not understanding their audience.

Royal_Devil · 2010-09-17, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

lol thats a good one XD

I'm asking you again. What about Ninja Theory do you think makes them a great fit for DMC outside of narrative? What about Heavenly Sword and the Enslaved demo makes this the perfect next game for them?

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Originally Posted by ZGoten

To be fair, 1`s gameplay doesn't hold a candle to 3 and 4's. Yeah it was goundbreaking but in direct comparison it pales .

The thing is 3 and 4 shifted the focus some. The most simple way of putting it is DMC1 was about the enemies and DMC3 was about Dante. What I mean is that DMC1 still has the best enemies in terms of AI and design. The focus was on working around them to get a good hit in (thus the Critical Hit system) with what Dante had available. 1 also has the best environment and atmosphere. Starting in 3, the shift went to making Dante play better. He has way more moves and weapons at his disposal in 3 but the enemies aren't as good as 1. 3's enemies were glorified punching bags most of the time. DMC4 improved the enemies somewhat but also removed stuff from Dante. The perfect Devil May Cry would thus have DMC1's enemies with DMC3's Dante

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I mean did the dmc games sell bad,

DMC4 is actually the 7th best best selling game in Capcom's history. This also adds the how puzzling this decision is.

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 19:32

I'm sure they will try their best, I mean they SHOULD.. its DMC, if they fuck this up... they might as well disband

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Originally Posted by kayos

I've read his posts in the Bayo thread... but I've realized it's much (a lot) better to just ignore his posts.

Most of the time he'll just repeat himself with biased opinions, in case no one heard him the first time. (¬_¬)

and from time to time I keep thinking I should Block people like you, but na why be a prick about it and just ignore the posts when I see it?

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Originally Posted by Royal_Devil

I'm asking you again. What about Ninja Theory do you think makes them a great fit for DMC outside of narrative? What about Heavenly Sword and the Enslaved demo makes this the perfect next game for them?

ok look, I havent even heard of the damn company until yesterday. and ya know what? I don't care! I'm still gonna give it a freakin chance! Sure I wish the original people did it. But hey, maybe a change would be cool? How many more games would it take for them to ruin dante's original image?

Royal_Devil · 2010-09-17, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

I'm sure they will try their best, I mean they SHOULD.. its DMC, if they fuck this up... they might as well disband

Keep in mind, Sony gave them a lot of money and support to make Heavenly Sword something that would sell PS3's early in its release. They pretty much had as much on the line as with this. The PS3 needed system sellers. Even with that, they failed so Sony canceled any plans for a HS sequel and will not be publishing the multi-platform Enslaved.

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Royal_Devil

Keep in mind, Sony gave them a lot of money and support to make Heavenly Sword something that would sell PS3's early in its release. They pretty much had as much on the line as with this. The PS3 needed system sellers. Even with that, they failed so Sony canceled any plans for a HS sequel and will not be publishing the multi-platform Enslaved.

I'll keep that in mind when Im not dissapointed if it fails. just a "oh well" *plays Fallout new vegas*

kujoe · 2010-09-17, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Neovoid

I'm going to wait and see how Ninja Theory's new game Enslaved: Odyssey to the West fare before I cast judgment on the new DMC reboot as a way of seeing if the new studio has what it takes to reboot the DMC franchise. Just like with Obsidian doing the new Fallout: New Vegas after their Alpha Protocol fiasco.

Alpha Protocol was largely a hit or a miss. A miss for me.

But with regard to Fallout: New Vegas, the guys at Obsidian are veterans. In fact, they're made up of some of the original folks who worked on the original Fallout games, 1 & 2. Bethesda may have improved the level of immersion and gameplay (not all would agree though), but I think these guys are better suited to crafting what the Fallout setting is all about. So in other words, it's a good mix of the old and the new... or at least I hope so. Here's an article on it.

As for this reboot of the DMC franchise, I guess that's practically what it is: a reimagining. From what I'm seeing so far, I can already say that I'm disappointed at the art direction this game is taking. I get it. It's gritty and dark. Lots of youth culture (what is youth culture?) or an interpretation of it. It looks oh so generic so far.

On the other hand, there's still the gameplay which we have yet to see. So... I don't know. Without seeing how the game plays, it's hard to see how the entire package will look like, but it just doesn't look 'fun' right now.

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 20:17

With playstation move I could see the Whip/sword thingy being used in PSM which would be awesome.

nevermind, its multiplat so little chance they will do that

on another note, I'm gonna cosplay the new Dante just for laughs at the next chance i get to.

KROMEangel · 2010-09-17, 22:37

heh, look what I found on the Ninja Theory Forums

Spoiler for Dante vs. The World:

Kyero Fox · 2010-09-17, 23:41

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Originally Posted by KROMEangel

heh, look what I found on the Ninja Theory Forums

Spoiler for Dante vs. The World:

oh God XD that was epic, cookies

Hooves · 2010-09-17, 23:52

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Originally Posted by KROMEangel

heh, look what I found on the Ninja Theory Forums

Spoiler for Dante vs. The World:

You deserve a reward for this hilarious picture

Larthak · 2010-09-18, 02:38

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Originally Posted by KROMEangel

Man, this thread should be retitled "Devil Made us Cry."

Absolutely. Tears of frustration fuel this thread.

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Originally Posted by ZGoten

I mean did the dmc games sell bad, or why did they come to the conclusion of having to redesign their franchise's leading man? Even if they did, this definately is the wrong way of trying to improve the sales. People love Dante, both in the east and in the west, even many of those who've never really played a game of the series, and Capcom wanting to replace him, imo, is a clear sign of them not understanding their audience.

As I mentioned earlier (and if I remember correctly), Capcom said that for survival in the near future, economy-wise, they have to cooperate with the western world a lot more. That includes having DMC5 like that, with the addition of any newer Lost Planet/Resident Evil games. Which is a ridiculous move from the fans' standpoint of course.

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Originally Posted by Sides

Really? Last thing i heard was, We are firing our devs and outsourcing our titles. It is a quiet strange move, considering that capcom last few outsources titles to western developers failed miserably, see Bionic Commando and Dark Void. Looks like non MT-Framework titles are destined to fail.
Wonder what kind of engine Ninja Theory will use for dmc5

One or the other, maybe a bit of both. Who knows for sure with that bunch.

Engine, huh? What did they make for their last games?

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KROMEangel Baby Got Back Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Earth	Man, this thread should be retitled "Devil Made us Cry."

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