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If we take Battler's reactions at face value, he did make this kind of change when Erika sealed the guest room. In his original plan, Battler would have broken the seals at some point. Quote:
We've always assumed that the Game Master knows everything that goes on, but part seems to prove that it's possible for players to hide their actions from the Game Master. Again, this is an interesting point, since it means Lambda might have been able to affect Beato's games without even Beato knowing how.
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2010-07-16, 22:35 | Link #14002 | |
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2010-07-16, 22:38 | Link #14003 | |
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Of course this is also something that gives you 100% certainty of someone life status in a world where magic, supernatural, sci-fi technologies and unknown substances are denied by the rules. So in the end there wasn't just a single exception...
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2010-07-16, 22:42 | Link #14004 |
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Well, we don't know how she killed them. Only Maria is specifically noted to have been obedient right up to the point she died. I kind of doubt Kyrie and Eva wouldn't have struggled to a point that Erika couldn't stop them, so I kind of have to think she had some clever means by which to kill them quickly.
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2010-07-16, 23:08 | Link #14008 |
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Renall do have a point. Which is why I said it's not very credible that Erika managed to kill 5 persons so easily that way. Especially with people like Eva and Kyrie.
Slicing a throat is a sure method of killing and a knife sharp enough can do the job quite easily. I suppose Gohda possess that kind of knives. But the problem is that you need a firm hand, you need to make a swift move, and know exactly where to cut. For someone that has never killed anyone before, it's not easy. Realistically speaking I can't think of a japanese schoolgirl being able to perform such a massacre ins a such a perfectly clean manner (by clean I mean, not letting the victim scream, roam, and cause ruckus). Just read the news about young girls and guys killing with knives. Most of the times you read they hit their victims 30 or 40 times. That's not because they are cruel savages, that's because most of the cuts aren't lethal at all.
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2010-07-16, 23:13 | Link #14009 |
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I can't remember the exact line, but I think Erika said something like "I killed them in the most efficient way possible" or something along the lines. It kind of gave me the impression that she suffocated or drugged them in some way.
Personally the thing I find hardest to believe is her decapitating them. D: Despite her practical description of how she did it, cutting through bone is extremely difficult. You need a very strong butcher's knife and it takes a lot of effort. |
2010-07-16, 23:14 | Link #14010 |
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Also, the skin would probably need to be taut to get a good clean cut of the throat.
That would require grabbing their head. You know how in the movies the assassin or soldier grabs their head and yanks it back before slicing? Same principle. If somebody's lying on the floor... Bern was very vague about how Erika killed everyone. I'm guessing she used a variety of means which would have been easy to figure out, but hard to stop. All she really has to do is incapacitate a person somehow, then she can cut their heads off no matter how much effort it takes. But again, it ultimately isn't going to make much difference I guess.
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Well, to be fair Erika is not your average school girl and she reads a lot of mistery novels with all kind of murders which are most likely explained with some details. Erika could have read about it before and know how to do this kind of things. I wouldn't put it past her.
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2010-07-16, 23:17 | Link #14012 |
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We do not talk here about normal Kitchen knives. First at all there is a chance that these are japanese knives and also first class knives. I do not see the proud Gohda preparing Food with a cheap knive. But if it is a surprise attack at the throat how does she not get any blood strains on here Clothes? Kyrie seems to be the hardest problem if she even counts in Jessica attacking her with only 1 lie spoken. I do not think she would drink something from Erika or lay still while Erika puts plastic bags around her.
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2010-07-16, 23:34 | Link #14014 |
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If the "victims" that were faking death for the 1st twilight used some kind of drug for that and if they were still under the effect of that drug then it'd be easy for Erika to kill them. In the game, Erika thought about this and said they could have used insulin.
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2010-07-16, 23:37 | Link #14015 | |
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Yes Higurashi again. He gives lots of juicy details...
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2010-07-17, 00:23 | Link #14016 |
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Oh yea the Insulin thing... also they did let Erika run around did they not? so breathing or a pulse would be fatal but that would put it a bit to a extreme.
I had an idea to take a pill of abilify (raises blood sugar) and enough insulin (I'm not diabetic) to put myself in a coma. I would go in a hypoglycemic coma and would appear to be dead, even to a heart monitor. Later the abilify would kick in and i would slowly regain conciseness. I realized that this could result in brain damage though. |
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Well nobody needs to even be doing anything but lying there with their eyes closed. Erika can't be sure from just looking without detective's authority given the length of time she had to examine everyone. Anything about insulin comas or whatever isn't really necessary as such.
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2010-07-17, 04:40 | Link #14018 |
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And not to mention the, uh, mention of garbage bags(?) and such to prevent blood from getting onto her, which implies a cut/trauma of some sort. I personally still have a problem accepting the idea of Erika still retaining her super-paper abilities without having the Detective Authority. The Authority seems to have a stronger tie to her character and backstory than her physical abilities.
In other news, I think everyone who's reading Umineko should go see the new movie Inception. The plot itself is actually rather straightforward if you think about it, but the questions it raises about reality and it's depiction of the concept of Meta is actually quite insightful.
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There is something I don't get with Shkanon
If Sayo = Kanon =(+?) Shannon Then Yoshiya = ? Also : The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself! Then People that are not claming Kanon's name other than the person himself are different people. Shannon and Kanon are different people ok, but there is no room for Sayo here I guess. Hempel's raven is..he...it leads to nothing in most case...But there is still the Devil's Proof of Shkanon.."It's impossible to prove that Kanon and Shannon aren't the same person (Sayo)" Then If Sayo isn't Kanon of Shannon then Kanon and Shannon aren't Sayo. That's why I need to know where is Yoshiya in all this mess. If Kanon = Yoshiya and Yoshiya ≠ Sayo then Kanon ≠ Sayo and Shkanon is denied. Last edited by DgBarca; 2010-07-17 at 05:00. |
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