(L) Akb0048

[sa547]

Originally Posted by Raiga

There were two massive funny aneurysm moments this week, in addition to the whole situation in general. Seriously, when did they write/animate these episodes? Months ago?

ITT: Kawamori and Okada predict the future. Again.

Much of the draft was probably done about six months back, long before the infamy. Unless they changed a few things during post-production, yeah, it would be an astonishing coincidence that the script dovetails with that real-life incident and the aftermath. This and the elections that coincided with the 100-song Request Hour event.

OBTW, about the ending...

Spoiler for episode conclusion:

Now... They're in the equivalent of DAGOBAH?

[garbage]

what the heck!! "starting out as kenkyusei again" are they reflecting Real life happenings or what happened in real life with miichan all just part of the show/PR work!!! wahhh. now who ever said the story was done months & months ago....
for the moment there I thought Miichan was going out the way of the other Center Nova with a bang & disappearance, but then what happened with the KKS statement, was more huh?

looks like they found AKIBASTAR II, a new home for AKB0048

I think this episode confirms chieri wasn't thinking yet of becoming C-N, that is why she haven't made any proclamation like Yuuko & nagisa, as per her statements to Nagisa, "there's no way you could do that, Becoming center nova is hard enough...." but as she also said she still has a lot of other things to worry about like her Father & zodiac, she really is not prepared yet. I think in this episode Nagisa has definitely gotten past chieri. while chieri is still burdened by her circumstances Nagisa is firmly set on Becoming C-N

Originally Posted by sa547

Much of the draft was probably done about six months back, long before the infamy. Unless they changed a few things during post-production, yeah, it would be an astonishing coincidence that the script dovetails with that real-life incident and the aftermath. This and the elections that coincided with the 100-song Request Hour event.

OBTW, about the ending...

Spoiler for episode conclusion:

Now... They're in the equivalent of DAGOBAH?

I think it looks closer to Eureka 7 world, not to mention kirara are similar to scub corals with all the glittering about

about the incidents & story draft> yes it is possible to change a line or two but it's harder to change the character involved in the plot itself. It had to be Miichan , who by the way was present ever since S1. so yeah it's harder to explain.

about the ep title, which was trollish btw everyone was thinking Blue=Chieri, but turns out to be mii-chan and the Blue-rose song. Question though is that song really sung by Real life Mii-chan or particualrly associatd with her?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by garbage

I think in this episode Nagisa has definitely gotten past chieri. while chieri is still burdened by her circumstances Nagisa is firmly set on Becoming C-N

Well, Nagisa doesn't have a megalomaniac father to deal with, so Chieri has the right to be burdened by circumstances at the moment. It doesn't mean she's weaker than Nagisa, nor does it mean Nagisa's closer to become Center Nova than she is.

[garbage]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Well, Nagisa doesn't have a megalomaniac father to deal with, so Chieri has the right to be burdened by circumstances at the moment.

of course, no one's denying her that at all least of all me, but it still is a fact that she is hampered by that circumstance.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

It doesn't mean she's weaker than Nagisa,

again no one, and definitely not me, had ever said nor implied that Chieri is weaker than Nagisa , in fact she is stronger at least in dancing/performing skills and most definitely in popularity. if ever Nagisa is only stronger in resolve. but that's how it is.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

nor does it mean Nagisa's closer to become Center Nova than she is.

this I disagree, (if you remember our discussion about Yuuko & Nagisa's declaration of going C-N, & chieri's lack of, previously). Recognition of your goals & what you want to do is important in this regard. remember the very basis of Succession IS becoming one with the original member's goals & ambitions. Nagisa has already shown she is dead set in becoming C-N in previous episodes & has added another reason this episode. Chieri OTH is still struggling with her circumstance & unsure of what to do. IN Fact she said very much that in this episode while she was talking with Nagisa by the stairs. "I'm still not sure what I should do" her very own words.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by garbage

this I disagree, (if you remember our discussion about Yuuko & Nagisa's declaration of going C-N, & chieri's lack of, previously). Recognition of your goals & what you want to do is important in this regard. remember the very basis of Succession IS becoming one with the original member's goals & ambitions. Nagisa has already shown she is dead set in becoming C-N in previous episodes & has added another reason this episode. Chieri OTH is still struggling with her circumstance & unsure of what to do. IN Fact she said very much that in this episode while she was talking with Nagisa by the stairs. "I'm still not sure what I should do" her very own words.

Nagisa has a strong resolve right now, which is to rescue Yuuko. That much is true, but whether that kind of feeling can get you closer to succession and the Center Nova position is anyone guess. That's all I'm saying.

As for Chieri, she needs to deal with her father first, though I don't think being unsure of what to do is that much of hindrance in her case. She might not have a specific goal or course of action right now, but she works hard nonetheless. There's a few members that fit that attitude, our very own Acchan being one of them.

We'll have to wait and see.

And btw:

Originally Posted by garbage

if ever Nagisa is only stronger in resolve.

I disagree. I mean, Nagisa seems to have found a strong resolve because now she's got an important goal in sight, but she's never shown much resolve before. On the other hand, Chieri doesn't seem to have any specific goal at the moment, yet she shows quite a bit of resolve in her daily activities. All in all, I don't think we can compare just now. Chieri still needs to find out what she wants to do, and I'm not buying Nagisa's new found resolve until I see her backing up her words with actions.

[garbage]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Nagisa has a strong resolve right now, which is to rescue Yuuko

you seem to be forgetting Nagisa's resolve to become C-N happened before the attack on Akibastar & Yuuko's disappearance and it's strong enough for her declare PUBLICLY same way Yuuko did. Her resolve right now is NOT JUST to rescue yuuko. If ever it only strengthens her previous resolve to become C-N, adding another reason. Which I might add Chieri hadn't even considered.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

...but whether that kind of feeling can get you closer to succession and the Center Nova position is anyone guess

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

being unsure of what to do is that much of hindrance in her case. She might not have a specific goal or course of action right now, but she works hard nonetheless....

well again if you reread my post. the show itself has said Time and again that Goals, in synch with the original name holder IS the most important aspect in succession, and ultimately in becoming C-N. So how could you deny that Chieri not having a specific goal could not be a hindrance for her at this time. I'm not saying she won't have that in the future but the discussion here is Nagisa is ahead of her at this point in time.. Nagisa has done things similar to Yuuko who you can't deny has become a Name holder & C-N, not to mention even before in an earlier episode (lankastar concert)Nagisa has been shown to harbor the same sentiments as Acchan 13th in bringing Joy,music to the people & in "meeting them". In terms of working Hard actually both of them are already doing that right now, but the question is to what end, that's where the importance of goals come in.

Again that is not to say Nagisa will ultimately be Acchan or the next C-N, but it definitely is pointing that way. (then again this kawamori.....) In fact I would be fine either way, as long as it is well done, and Chieri is cool for me too I think you might be a little too Nagisa Phobic sorry if not. but I feel a lot of other people are though.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by garbage

you seem to be forgetting Nagisa's resolve to become C-N happened before the attack on Akibastar & Yuuko's disappearance and it's strong enough for her declare PUBLICLY same way Yuuko did. Her resolve right now is NOT JUST to rescue yuuko. If ever it only strengthens her previous resolve to become C-N, adding another reason. Which I might add Chieri hadn't even considered.

You say resolve, I say talking big. Back in episode 17 Nagisa told Chieri she would be her rival, but in the end she didn't do anything to back up her words then. Her declaration about becoming Center Nova in episode 19 seemed pretty empty too, despite the public display. For me, this is the first time she actually seems like she really is going to follow though on her words, though I won't buy it until I see it.

Originally Posted by garbage

well again if you reread my post. the show itself has said Time and again that Goals, in synch with the original name holder IS the most important aspect in succession, and ultimately in becoming C-N. So how could you deny that Chieri not having a specific goal could not be a hindrance for her at this time. I'm not saying she won't have that in the future but the discussion here is Nagisa is ahead of her at this point in time.. Nagisa has done things similar to Yuuko who you can't deny has become a Name holder & C-N, not to mention even before in an earlier episode (lankastar concert)Nagisa has been shown to harbor the same sentiments as Acchan 13th in bringing Joy,music to the people & in "meeting them". In terms of working Hard actually both of them are already doing that right now, but the question is to what end, that's where the importance of goals come in.

You said it yourself, "the show itself has said Time and again that Goals, in synch with the original name holder IS the most important aspect in succession".

But, do you seriously believe any original member has/had a specific goal like that? I mean if we're talking about the ultimate goal, Acchan wanted to be an actress, and Takamina's still aiming at becoming a solo singer. But clearly, this isn't what they mean, right? No, they mean their goal in AKB, and many of the girls don't really have such a thing. Acchan (the original) diffidently didn't have anything like that imo. Yuuko did have a goal in AKB: she wanted to beat Acchan. But I think for Acchan AKB was more like a means to an end. Clearly they can't show her like that in the series, and that's probably why they depict her in the vague way they do, having her say things like "I want to shine upon everyone forever" and stuff like that. She's more a symbol than an actual person with clearcut goals and aspirations.

Remember Chieri's declaration in the General Election? "I love everyone" she said. That screamed (anime) Acchan so much it wasn't even funny. And I think that's Chieri's goal in AKB, to show her love for the fans, her team mates, everyone. To "shine upon everyone forever", to borrow Acchan the 13th's words. She might not know how to go about it yet, but it's not like she's really aimless.

[garbage]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You say resolve, I say talking big. Back in episode 17 Nagisa told Chieri she would be her rival, but in the end she didn't do anything to back up her words then. Her declaration about becoming Center Nova in episode 19 seemed pretty empty too, despite the public display. For me, this is the first time she actually seems like she really is going to follow though on her words, though I won't buy it until I see it.

Again the discussion right now is <nagisa being ahead at this point in time>, not who will finally be C-N. If you're talking about "walking the talk" then I posit that Chieri has done even far less than Nagisa has at this point, and without even doing the talk. So that does not in any way counter that Nagisa has moved ahead in the race at this point.
On a different point I also disagree with you that Nagisa is only just talking big, The existence of the Kirara is a very convenient device in this story in that it shows the sincerity & true feelings of it's attached member. Nagisa's definitely showed she means it when she declared that C-N goal and it's definitely not just talking Big, it's definitely personal RESOLVE. If you can't accept that, then I don't know, I guess you can't accept the very premiss of the Kirara too, and we'll just agree to disagree. oh and before you say it Chieri's Kirara glowed much too, but her resolve is more in becoming successor than in becoming C-N.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You said it yourself, "the show itself has said Time and again that Goals, in synch with the original name holder IS the most important aspect in succession".

But, do you seriously believe any original member has/had a specific goal like that? I mean if we're talking about the ultimate goal, Acchan wanted to be an actress, and Takamina's still aiming at becoming a solo singer. But clearly, this isn't what they mean, right? No, they mean their goal in AKB, and many of the girls don't really have such a thing. Acchan (the original) diffidently didn't have anything like that imo. Yuuko did have a goal in AKB: she wanted to beat Acchan. But I think for Acchan AKB was more like a means to an end. Clearly they can't show her like that in the series, and that's probably why they depict her in the vague way they do, having her say things like "I want to shine upon everyone forever" and stuff like that. She's more a symbol than an actual person with clearcut goals and aspirations.

Remember Chieri's declaration in the General Election? "I love everyone" she said. That screamed (anime) Acchan so much it wasn't even funny. And I think that's Chieri's goal in AKB, to show her love for the fans, her team mates, everyone. To "shine upon everyone forever", to borrow Acchan the 13th's words. She might not know how to go about it yet, but it's not like she's really aimless.

well I really have no Idea what real life AKB members Goals & dreams are and I don't care enough to find out. In fact it doesn't matter for this point if they're are not specifically introduced in the show. Fact is Flags have been going up from the very beginning concerning Nagisa & C-N position, including Dreams,goals & disposition of the previous C-Ns. If those are just red-herrings courtesy of Kawamori, then so be it, but it cannot be discounted.
As to your last paragraph, maybe, but right now were talking about being C-N, not who will become Acchan, as I've said before Nagisa might in fact be nearer Yuuko her idol as she is mirroring Yuuko's actions. Either way both Yuuko & Acchan were C-Ns.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by garbage

Again the discussion right now is <nagisa being ahead at this point in time>, not who will finally be C-N. If you're talking about "walking the talk" then I posit that Chieri has done even far less than Nagisa has at this point, and without even doing the talk. So that does not in any way counter that Nagisa has moved ahead in the race at this point.
On a different point I also disagree with you that Nagisa is only just talking big, The existence of the Kirara is a very convenient device in this story in that it shows the sincerity & true feelings of it's attached member. Nagisa's definitely showed she means it when she declared that C-N goal and it's definitely not just talking Big, it's definitely personal RESOLVE. If you can't accept that, then I don't know, I guess you can't accept the very premiss of the Kirara too, and we'll just agree to disagree. oh and before you say it Chieri's Kirara glowed much too, but her resolve is more in becoming successor than in becoming C-N.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but what I meant is that even if you mean what you say, if there's no follow up with actual actions, nothing will happen.

Also, what do you think is a Center Nova anyway? I mean, you seem to believe Nagisa is close to becoming one just because she's aiming for it, but I think there's lot more to it than that. Miichan told Yuuko a Center Nova bears great burned and loneliness, and accepting this for the sake of the group is the mindset that leads you to Position 0. Nagisa wants to be Center Nova but she still doesn't even know that that means. Besides a fuck ton of training and, you know, actually being an idol, is needed too. Showing what you got on stage, making the kirara glow more and more as you make the audience go crazy with your performance. That's the kinda thing that get you closer to the prize.

Nagisa still hasn't done anything toward her goal beyond announcing it. She's not ahead of Chieri or anyone else at this point. They're all at the starting line.

[garbage]

You're very first sentence was to quote:

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You say resolve, I say talking big.

so I posit Nagisa in fact does have resolve as per the Kirara's actions and not just talking big. that's what the previous post was mostly about.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Maybe I wasn't clear, but what I meant is that even if you mean what you say, if there's no follow up with actual actions, nothing will happen.

Also, what do you think is a Center Nova anyway? I mean, you seem to believe Nagisa is close to becoming one just because she's aiming for it, but I think there's lot more to it than that. Miichan told Yuuko a Center Nova bears great burned and loneliness, and accepting this for the sake of the group is the mindset that leads you to Position 0. Nagisa wants to be Center Nova but she still doesn't even know that that means. Besides a fuck ton of training and, you know, actually being an idol, is needed too. Showing what you got on stage, making the kirara glow more and more as you make the audience go crazy with your performance. That's the kinda thing that get you closer to the prize.

Nagisa still hasn't done anything toward her goal beyond announcing it. She's not ahead of Chieri or anyone else at this point. They're all at the starting line.

obviously, action & follow up is important, but EVERYTHING STARTS WITH A GOAL. It is the very first step. Even in real life you set your goals first. Does that mean you should KNOW EVERYTHING about it ? BEFORE Setting up a goal? of course not! millions of kids dream (& set their personal goal) of becoming doctors, lawyers, engineers, movie stars or whatever with their own personal preconceptions of what it entails.Usually they set-out first by working hard on their studies. like what our girls are doing here by training hard on their songs & dances. People learn more about their goals as they progress, It either strengthens their resolve to reach that goal or they realize they were misled and therefore changes their goals.(or fall to bouts of depression at times ...) That is reality. The only time you learn the whole meaning of what you set-out to do is when you have finally reached it at the end.

And NO, I never said nor implied that Nagisa is close to becoming C-N just because she's aiming for it. so stop putting words in my mouth. BUT it is a fact that she has taken that first step, with resolve in fact. The same way Yuuko did previously as a Kenkyuusei. A step MORE than the others have, hence being ahead. Is that not simple enough?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by garbage

And NO, I never said nor implied that Nagisa is close to becoming C-N just because she's aiming for it. so stop putting words in my mouth. BUT it is a fact that she has taken that first step, with resolve in fact. The same way Yuuko did previously as a Kenkyuusei. A step MORE than the others have, hence being ahead. Is that not simple enough?

We don't know anything about the previous Center Novae. For Yuuko, the path to the Center Nova position began with a bold public declaration, but this doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. Just like Acchan in real life was given the center position regardless of what she wanted, I wouldn't be surprised if Acchan the 13th became Center Nova without specifically aiming for it. After all, if she had what it takes (the idol aura) and worked hard enough on stage, it probably should have come naturally to her. That's the main reason I don't think the decision alone is even step more than what the others have. The path to Position 0's probably different for each girl.

[Benigmatica]

Originally Posted by garbage

looks like they found AKIBASTAR II, a new home for AKB0048

I think it's more of a shout-out to Macross Frontier in my opinion... unless Ranka Lee and Sheryl Nome happened to drop by and say "Hi!"

Still, it's kinda funny that if Mii-chan returns to AKB0048, she might become the oldest understudy in the universe!

[Random Wanderer]

They're just running away in the Flying Get. No wonder they're in such bad shape. I wonder what happened to the Katyusha.

[garbage]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

We don't know anything about the previous Center Novae. For Yuuko, the path to the Center Nova position began with a bold public declaration, but this doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. Just like Acchan in real life was given the center position regardless of what she wanted, I wouldn't be surprised if Acchan the 13th became Center Nova without specifically aiming for it. After all, if she had what it takes (the idol aura) and worked hard enough on stage, it probably should have come naturally to her. That's the main reason I don't think the decision alone is even step more than what the others have. The path to Position 0's probably different for each girl.

while I agree that the path to position 0 could be different for each of the previous C-N, you seem to disregard the fact that Goals are of particular importance in this show, it is I repeat was hammered on time and again as the MAIN requirement for succession and ultimately C-N.
Again I care not what real life Acchan path were, because it is irrelevant.there is no C-N position in real life and real life Acchan never had to succeed a name. What's relevant is only what the show has stated as orig. or previous Acchan's Goals are. Real life AKB is founded on profit, commercialism (and Aki-p's whims it seems) which ultimately affected the choice of their center, which is far from AKB0048's in-universe raison d'être.
Nagisa on the other hand has precedent in Yuuko (the recently disappeared one in the anime forgot her number >.<).

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

I think it's more of a shout-out to Macross Frontier in my opinion... unless Ranka Lee and Sheryl Nome happened to drop by and say "Hi!"

Still, it's kinda funny that if Mii-chan returns to AKB0048, she might become the oldest understudy in the universe!

oh? I can't remember much about Macross Frontier planets, they do mostly stay in space aboard the MF right? but is there a world similar to that shown in that series? or i'm totally not getting you and you're referencing something else

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

They're just running away in the Flying Get. No wonder they're in such bad shape. I wonder what happened to the Katyusha.

oh yeah! I totally forgot, they do have a bigger "Mothership" maybe it would have taken longer to prepare for emergency takeoff. At least that's a good rationalization....

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by garbage

oh yeah! I totally forgot, they do have a bigger "Mothership" maybe it would have taken longer to prepare for emergency takeoff. At least that's a good rationalization....

Agreed, they likely took off on the Flying Get because they didn't had time to get the Katyusha. It may be hidden somewhere in the planet now, or may have been taken by DES...

[Midonin]

AKB0048 22 - Your Crime Has Just Been Put on Hold

I've never used this term before, but... "feels". Lots of them this episode. That final fight scene was exciting, and seeing all the praise Mii got afterward was really riveting. The show just keeps getting better. A lot of the information that was revealed was worth considering too, such as those Kirara like things that were the form of the other Center Novae. Kinda freaky. Even if it's clear they are in that other world, there's still other questions, such as "Why?" and "What are they doing there?". Surely they're not just playing cards while waiting for someone to get them out. I wonder if there's even enough episodes left for Nagisa to become Center Nova. It would bring about a nice conclusion to her character arc, but there's at least two or three other plots that need to be wrapped up, too. Also, loved that scene of Sonata jumping on Makoto's bed. She knows how to lower the tension.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by garbage

while I agree that the path to position 0 could be different for each of the previous C-N, you seem to disregard the fact that Goals are of particular importance in this show, it is I repeat was hammered on time and again as the MAIN requirement for succession and ultimately C-N.

I don't disregard this. I already told you that having no specific goal may is also be a valid goal, in a way. I'm not talking about being completely aimless, just having a less concrete goal. For instance, can you tell me what is Mimori's goal? Not even Tsubasa could tell why Mimori became a Mariko successor, which suggests she doesn't see anything specific to Mariko in Mimori. Yet, Mimori became a Mariko successor. Clearly there has to be something she shares with the original, but it's not something that you can easily pinpoint.

So yeah, goals are important, but they're no always a concrete, tangible thing.

The Center Nova position is probably the same. I don't think you necessarily need to consciously aim for it. It may be that some girls go down the path of the Center Nova without even realizing how they got there.

Originally Posted by garbage

What's relevant is only what the show has stated as orig. or previous Acchan's Goals are.

The show has never stated such thing. We know a bit of how Acchan the 13th was, but we don't know any specific goals she might have had. Did she want to be Center Nova? Was she consciously aiming for it like Yuuko was? Clearly she embraced the position when she got it, but I'd like to know how she was before that point...

[garbage]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I already told you that having no specific goal may is also be a valid goal.I'm not talking about being completely aimless, just having a less concrete goal.

you seem to be contradicting yourself here. unless your goal is to be a NEET. but then again that in itself is a "specific" goal, in fact you could say having no goal=being aimless. Aside from that what would "less concrete Goal " mean?, the very essence of having a goal is knowing you want to do something or become something, one can be unsure or mistaken about the true nature of what one is aiming for but that doesn't make their Goals less "concrete" it is still there and you are still thinking about it and working towards or at least trying to. In fact I see Chieri as someone who does have a goal, very specific in fact, she wants to be a name successor, she wants to be a successful member of AKB0048, in fact she wants to be the next "pioneer" in her own words. but the point is being Center let alone C-N seems not yet included in her list of goals. Her own words shows she can't imagine herself yet as being one.
Us the viewers and even tsubasa not knowing (or does she? i think she in fact does) the specifics on why Mimori became Mariko the 8th does not matter, but clearly she did have those goals in synch with the "mariko" name, the Kirara confirms it. and her actions prior to that during the election and right after the succession reflects that too. Same thing as with Kanata/Takamina with their desire to protect and lead their teams.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

So yeah, goals are important, but they're no always a concrete, tangible thing.

and i say they are not GOALS if it's not tangible and/or out of your mind. that's kinda going against the definition of the term.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

The Center Nova position is probably the same. I don't think you necessarily need to consciously aim for it. It may be the some girls go down the path of the Center Nova without even realizing how they got there.

well probably you meant some people does not necessarily have the goal of becoming "Center-Nova" as in the Title itself, but clearly all Center-Nova had the goal of at least shining the brightest among the girls, on being in the position to bring the most happiness(?) to their fans, on being the guiding light for all the other girls, and to protect/shield them. They touched on that too in the episode. as miichan said, the road to C-N is a one way, harsh, unending struggle, of continuously getting brighter & brighter. That in itself causes the loneliness & isolation. Any doubts or faltering immediately disqualifies one and they immediately loose all the radiance they have gathered (which is how she in fact failed at the end). I hardly believe one can reach such heights without a goal in mind, and just stumbled on to that end, would you?

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

The show has never stated such thing. We know a bit of how Acchan the 13th was, but we don't know any specific goals she might have had. Did she want to be Center Nova? Was she concisely aiming for it like Yuuko was? Clearly she embraced the position after she got it, but I'd like to know how she was before that point...

that sentence is to be taken in context with the whole paragraph, because you tend to refer to Real Life acchan, and her goals, as you did in the post that i was replying so I'll post it here again, the quote that is. emphasis on the bold part.( bold mine) again irrelevant since it was never told/refered to in the show.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

We don't know anything about the previous Center Novae. For Yuuko, the path to the Center Nova position began with a bold public declaration, but this doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. Just like Acchan in real life was given the center position regardless of what she wanted, I wouldn't be surprised if Acchan the 13th became Center Nova without specifically aiming for it. After all, if she had what it takes (the idol aura) and worked hard enough on stage, it probably should have come naturally to her. That's the main reason I don't think the decision alone is even step more than what the others have. The path to Position 0's probably different for each girl.

[Kazu-kun]

^ Well, since we seem to disagree even about the definition of "goal/purpose" in the context of the show, it's unlikely that we'll see eye to eye any time soon.

Let's agree to disagree and move on.

Just one last thing though.

Originally Posted by garbage

They touched on that too in the episode. as miichan said, the road to C-N is a one way, harsh, unending struggle, of continuously getting brighter & brighter. That in itself causes the loneliness & isolation. Any doubts or faltering immediately disqualifies one and they immediately loose all the radiance they have gathered (which is how she in fact failed at the end). I hardly believe one can reach such heights without a goal in mind, and just stumbled on to that end, would you?

Miichan, at least in this episode, was talking about how it is to a be a Center Nova, not how you got there, so this isn't particularly relevant to our argument. Besides, I could see someone like Acchan getting the position without aiming for it and getting serious about it only after that point.

But yeah, let's move on.

[garbage]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Miichan, at least in this episode, was talking about how it is to a be a Center Nova, not how you got there, so this isn't particularly relevant to our argument.

why not? I don't really see how one can suddenly be C-N without being the Brightest among the current girls, which you seem to be implying. In fact being the brightest is the trademark & prerequisite of becoming C-N. They don't just suddenly become the brightest overnight AFTER being chosen C-N. One has to work on it. This has been Yuuko's & Acchan 13th goal. and Nagisa has declared the same of becoming the brightest which IS the road to C-N.

BTW the original point of discussion was Nagisa being ahead (at the moment) because she has that goal.

but yeah this is getting tiresome , signing out , at least for this topic/show.