Canvas 2 ~Niji-iro no Sketch~

[Vexx]

Given the baggage load.... I'm beginning to think Hiroki is going to end up with

Spoiler:

Elise ... AFTER she comes back from her studies in France all grown up. Kiri just seems to have that pall over her that says "left in the dust". This is interesting to me since I just assumed there'd be a lot of obstacles but it was destined to be Kiri and Hiroki once Elise figured out a whole world of guys was out there.
Pure speculation on my part, but its an indication to me how interestingly this show has been written compared with the series I'd had really enjoyed in part (Shuffle!) but had some serious weaknesses.

There really haven't been any episodes I *haven't* enjoyed yet.... just solid stuff.

[npal]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Given the baggage load.... I'm beginning to think Hiroki is going to end up with

Spoiler:

Elise ... AFTER she comes back from her studies in France all grown up. Kiri just seems to have that pall over her that says "left in the dust". This is interesting to me since I just assumed there'd be a lot of obstacles but it was destined to be Kiri and Hiroki once Elise figured out a whole world of guys was out there.
Pure speculation on my part, but its an indication to me how interestingly this show has been written compared with the series I'd had really enjoyed in part (Shuffle!) but had some serious weaknesses.

There really haven't been any episodes I *haven't* enjoyed yet.... just solid stuff.

Wee, nice speculation Hope it happens, cause I'm rooting for Elis Don't get your hopes high about the show, things have a tendency to go wrong after ep 18

[evil-samurai]

Originally Posted by Radiosity

Spoiler for meh, not really spoiler, just random musings past ep15:

Personally, I'd love to see Hiroki get together with Saya, after a suitable period of getting to know each other of course. I dunno, I just feel that it'd be a spicy twist that no-one is expecting,

I'd like that too ^^ For some reasons they just seemed to fit so well together, It was just a episode were every little moment was so great to watch, I loved! when they showed Saya, as a bit of a speed freak in the car with Hiroki but if anything did pop up, I think they will have to change that Hiroki keeps calling her Superintent.

So if It ends with Saya yeh! if not yeh! since, I dont know but.. nearly everytime Hiroki is with one of the girls, the interaction bettewen them is interesting. There aren't really many Wow! moments in the show, but the quailty of the show is Mushishi like. well just to add...

Spoiler for Saya screen shot= love!!:

Originally Posted by mangatron

Next episode, 16, is about her [Shie Sugihara, the editor lady]. Oh, that must mean we are at episode 15

Spoiler for ok, I won't marr you like I did episode 14 lol:

-So uh, Kiri was joggin in the school grounds before school.....and they had to show a rear shot of her at the fountain So, be Mr. Nice Guy again Hiroki and hand this girl a towel...rear shot....*imagine's Kiri in non-gym clothes*

I thought I was the only thinking about that shot I was thinking the whole time, just how long are they going to spend with the camera there, I mean its not really a fanservice type of show, but when they get some interesting/different shots they just leave the camera there

[MonkeyBrains]

Originally Posted by npal

Wee, nice speculation Hope it happens, cause I'm rooting for Elis Don't get your hopes high about the show, things have a tendency to go wrong after ep 18

You could be very correct there... You must've seen episode 18, or at least its next episode preview.

Spoiler for Episode 18 spoilers:

A little more ElisxHiroki focus. It almost seems like she gets over her fear of red (at least for cooking - we'll see about painting). The heart shape on the food she makes still indicates potential for ElisxHiroki, which to me has still felt open, and even leading towards her, despite Hiroki's rejection of her in episode 10, but I think I'm just being pessimistic about Kiri's chances since she hasn't had a real moment with Hiroki since around episode 8 (not counting episode 13's flashback)... Although she appears to have had a nice phone call with Hiroki in episode 18. As for episode 19, however...

Spoiler for Episode 19 from next episode preview:

HirokixKiri (potentially) alone at the hot springs. In my mind, this episode looks like it may be the one that cements it permanently as HirokixKiri, or permanently separates them. I could be wrong, though. But after all the HirokixElis focus, it will be interesting to see what the HirokixKiri relationship is now. Will it still be as close as it was in the early episodes? We'll find out next week.

[Riker]

Originally Posted by npal

Wee, nice speculation Hope it happens, cause I'm rooting for Elis Don't get your hopes high about the show, things have a tendency to go wrong after ep 18

*cough* Or episode 21 *cough*

And episode 15 made me love Saya.
That's the 3rd character in this show (after Hagino and Tomoko) whom I like more than the leads.
I wanted to make some gifs of her but evil-samurai already did. :x
Guess that's another purple-haired girl we both like.

A bit off topic, I bought volume one of the manga and it rocks !

[npal]

Originally Posted by MonkeyBrains

You could be very correct there... You must've seen episode 18, or at least its next episode preview.

Nah, I just watch the fansubs, so I'm behind. I've seen Shuffle though

@Riker yeah, that one, too

[Sailor Enlil]

Originally Posted by MonkeyBrains

Spoiler for Episode 19 from next episode preview:

HirokixKiri (potentially) alone at the hot springs. In my mind, this episode looks like it may be the one that cements it permanently as HirokixKiri, or permanently separates them. I could be wrong, though. But after all the HirokixElis focus, it will be interesting to see what the HirokixKiri relationship is now. Will it still be as close as it was in the early episodes? We'll find out next week.

Spoiler:

Well, as soon as I heard Kiri (talking in the ep 19 preview) mention the phrase "doki-doki suru" (a phrase echoed by Shuffle's Asa), I'm inclined to believe it's going towards HirokixKiri tying it up (considering Asa said the same phrase, and look where she eventually ended up). Not to mention that look on Kiri's face at the end of the preview (where she apparently is tucked in to a futon).

By the way I wonder what exactly was Hiroki's reaction to Kiri's last statement in the preview (either he's groaning in exasperation, or he's saying something like "ohhhh!" in a very knowing way).

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by npal

Nah, I just watch the fansubs, so I'm behind. I've seen Shuffle though

@Riker yeah, that one, too

I started wishing the Canvas staff had been writing Shuffle by the end of Nerine/Prim's arc. I think we'd have seen a much more believable finish to Shuffle (even if they'd stuck to the finishing couple). I suppose the Canvas staff could still mess this up but so far I haven't seen hardly a bobble outside of not quite knowing what to do with Yanagi.

[Srin Tuar]

raws up to now:

Spoiler:

Has anyone else felt that this show moves extremely slowly?
It seems to me to be very realistic, but, for anything significant to happen
it must take on the order of 50 episodes (or so i feel).

Also, Hiroki seems to work under the primary motivation of avoiding any
romantic contant with anyone ever. I still dont understand his dementia, and
at the rate this show is progressing, i have a sinking feeling Im not going to
learn anything or see any resolutions...

[Sailor Enlil]

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

raws up to now:

Spoiler:

Has anyone else felt that this show moves extremely slowly?
It seems to me to be very realistic, but, for anything significant to happen
it must take on the order of 50 episodes (or so i feel).

Also, Hiroki seems to work under the primary motivation of avoiding any
romantic contant with anyone ever. I still dont understand his dementia, and
at the rate this show is progressing, i have a sinking feeling Im not going to
learn anything or see any resolutions...

Well, Lamune sure took its time, enough to bore some anime fanatics to death. But I liked that slow and easy pace given the way the story was meant to go and the kind of story it had, and I have a feeling Canvas2 is going by a similar route (and I bet To Heart 2 was in a similar situation, hence 13 episodes made it seem cut horribly short).

[tun]

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

raws up to now:

Spoiler:

Has anyone else felt that this show moves extremely slowly?
It seems to me to be very realistic, but, for anything significant to happen
it must take on the order of 50 episodes (or so i feel).

Also, Hiroki seems to work under the primary motivation of avoiding any
romantic contant with anyone ever. I still dont understand his dementia, and
at the rate this show is progressing, i have a sinking feeling Im not going to
learn anything or see any resolutions...

Spoiler:

I feel the same way. We're at 18 episodes and it still doesn't seem like anything significant has happened in terms of the relationships. Although episode 19 looks like it's gonna push the series further along the Hiroki/Kiri route.

[Kaoru Chujo]

I suppose what Srin Tuar says is true, but I hadn't really noticed, since I was enjoying the ride so much. This anime moves a lot faster than Lamune (which I also loved), if only because each episode has more incidents, and there is at least a little doubt about the eventual outcome.

It's definitely the interplay of the characters that is most interesting here, though, rather than the progress of the plot. The slow progress, and the twists and turns of feeling, are making the eventual resolutions more emotionally powerful, perhaps. I enjoyed 18, and I'm really looking forward to 19.

As for the relationship between Hiroki and Kiri...

Spoiler for ep18:

The way they were talking so intimately on the phone about Elis made them sound like a married couple already. I enjoyed that conversation a lot. And the glimpses of the onsen in ep19 were promisingly romantic. Elis's new-found independence and apparent recovery from her red-phobia was like a log-jam breaking: next week, HirokixKiri, soon after, Hiroki starts painting (I expect).

[Xellos-_^]

I think the best part about Canvas main characters is that we have 2 adults not a bunch of hormon driven teenager who angst over every little thing. Hiroki had has angst moments in flashback which we should be grateful for.

[Srin Tuar]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

I think the best part about Canvas main characters is that we have 2 adults not a bunch of hormon driven teenager who angst over every little thing. Hiroki had has angst moments in flashback which we should be grateful for.

Well, maturity is good, especially when it is always so lacking in most main characters.
But that doesnt mean you have to hand in your hormones and the front desk to get issued some maturity.... make a move already hiroki.

[DanielSong39]

Maybe Hiroki is waiting for Elis to grow up?

Wouldn't surprise me. The anime seems to be putting more emphasis on the Hiroki-Elis relationship - it's certainly much more dynamic than the Hiroki-Kiri relationship. The latter one looks like it's just going in circles.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Maybe Hiroki is waiting for Elis to grow up?

Wouldn't surprise me. The anime seems to be putting more emphasis on the Hiroki-Elis relationship - it's certainly much more dynamic than the Hiroki-Kiri relationship. The latter one looks like it's just going in circles.

i don't think so.

So far in all 18 eps, i haven't seen anything approaching romantic feelings form Hiroki to Elise. Everything I seen so far points to normal brotherly feeling. Notice i highlighted the word normal.

Kiri on the hand has definelty shown quite a bit tenison and both hiroki and kiri are both still trying to come to terms with each other. Now that we have Elise seeing red out of the way. The series is going to focus more on hiroki and Kiri, starting a hot spring trip together alone

[npal]

I still hope for an Elise ending, but it so happens that what I hope for doesn't occur, and usually for the most stupid reasons Oh well... Not that Kiri's bad or anything.

[MonkeyBrains]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Maybe Hiroki is waiting for Elis to grow up?

Wouldn't surprise me. The anime seems to be putting more emphasis on the Hiroki-Elis relationship - it's certainly much more dynamic than the Hiroki-Kiri relationship. The latter one looks like it's just going in circles.

I agree, it has felt like the emphasis has been on Hiroki-Elis, but it doesn't feel like the series holding out for a "wait for Elis to grow up" moment. If Hiroki-Elis is the ending, it kind of feels like it'll have to happen as they are now (age wise), although obviously both will have to get by their mental blocks (red and not painint at all). But to me, Hiroki-Elis has that weird sister/cousin thing going on, which I can't quite get by, and neither could Hiroki. I dunno. It feels like Hiroki-Elis is still a possibility, but it has yet to get that strong. Although they have had "moments" together, one could describe them as non-romantic just as easily as romantic.

Having said that, Hiroki-Kiri had a lot of close moments in the first half of the series, but they have kind of drifted aimlessly since episode 9... There's still a lot left to the Hiroki-Kiri relationship, and it has, to me, always felt the more dynamic and interesting of the two. They have chemistry, but they have so much baggage from their past, that they can't quite seem to move forward, although both of them seem to want to. And there still hasn't been a satisfactory conversation between the two of them since the revelations in episode 13/14 (both about the painting being stolen and the real reason why Hiroki rejected Kiri, which Kiri may suspect, but still does not know), because there have been other things going on (although, thankfully, it's always in the background, always at least being kept alive by reference). There's still things not being said to each other.

Spoiler for Episode 16 spoilers:

Like Kiri buying a ticket to visit Hiroki but never using it, or...

Spoiler for Game spoilers - whether it remains true in the anime remains to be seen:

Like the real reason why Kiri went to work at Nadesico - because she knew Hiroki was there, and, of course, still loved him and wanted to see him again, not because of a particular job opening. I'm not sure if that plot point will translate to the anime, but it still seems like a possibility - Kiri did buy that ticket (episode 16), and Kiri has never said specifically why she came to Nadesico, since she, like Hiroki and Yanagi, came from Hokkaido.

But, the good thing about this series is I know the earlier plot points are not forgotten and will get looked at again (it is especially hard to ignore the confession scene from high school).

Probably because I'm a Kiri fan, it has felt that the series has been kind of drifting since episode 11. To me, the first 11 episodes were very fast, especially compared to other series (for example, Elis confessed in episode 9, and was rejected in episode 10). Then there was that filler episode 12. Episodes 13 and 14, both of which were great, filled out backstory and moved things forward with respect to Hiroki's painting problems (and added new roadblocks to KirixHiroki), and it felt like things were picking up speed again. But then episodes 15-18 (a whole month...) which, although entertaining in their own right, and moved some things forward, felt primarily like sidetracks. The speed thing, I think it comes from revealing a lot of major backstory in episodes 13 and 14, but then switching gears and focusing on something else in subsequent episodes. It's kind of jarring to start dealing with other plot threads, when those threads revealed in episode 13 and 14 are still left dangling (and those threads focused on HirokixKiri, whose relationship has been in the background since then). At least, I think they're still dangling. Maybe I'm wrong.

Spoiler:

Which is why episode 19 can't come fast enough... Hopefully I'm not getting my hopes up.

[DanielSong39]

I feel like I'm missing something in the Hiroki-Kiri relationship - maybe much of this was explained in the game, and not the anime? As far as I can tell, they're just running hot and cold. They're good at being nice to each other, but they seem to grow distant whenever things get tougher.

As for episode 19... I'd be scared, if I was a Kiri fan - it's not a good sign that she's firing her best shot so early. After all, Elis will get her turn before this is all over - you can count on that.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

As for episode 19... I'd be scared, if I was a Kiri fan - it's not a good sign that she's firing her best shot so early. After all, Elis will get her turn before this is all over - you can count on that.

*cough*shuffle*cough*