2012-08-06, 06:30 | Link #2601 |
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By authority I mean the actual author or authoring organization. Besides, retcon is about the authoring entity contradicting their previous work.
The oldest written source of a myth is still an interpretation of some earlier oral source, and hence cannot be taken as the will of the original author. As a fictional series, you can complain about the author taking liberties with the actual recorded myths, but talking about canonicity of fiction is just plain silly.
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2012-08-06, 06:41 | Link #2602 | |
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2012-08-06, 06:50 | Link #2603 |
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I should be more specific, the canonicity of a separate fictional work is a non-issue. It's not like Campione's author intends people to take his story as the canonical continuation of the original myths.
His series is just a separate work of fiction inspired by myths in the real world. Anyway, there's no real argument here, I just think darthfanta's use of the term "retcon" is just too broad for the taste of some of us in this thread.
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2012-08-06, 08:37 | Link #2604 |
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Well, I don't mind about the alteration of some myths in this series.
I seriously doubt how the tale of something that used to happen ten of thousands years ago are recorded. There's no script or syllables available during that time. The tale can only be passed down generation after generation by oral. However, I'd be mad if the Japanese thinking it's cool to change the gender of historical figures in series like Ikki Tousen, Oda Nobuna and Samurai Girls so they can masturbate. In fact, I am mad right now. I wonder how those departed people would feel seeing they appear in modern media like that, despite having their portrait drawing and painting readily available for people to see. Take a look at the moe Nobuna and the actual portrait, it's like another world. Even if it's a paradox world, having that will kill my mood. BTW, I thought Arthurian Legend was a tale. |
2012-08-06, 10:18 | Link #2607 | |
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I am pretty sure he would not pick up a new authority. For one, he's already stated that he's not interested in becoming more powerful. Unless a god's clearly asking for it,he'd just beat a god and tell him to GTFO like his duel with Athena--that is if he actually wins. Also, as mentioned by a certain manga series(guess which one), the main character should not really have too many powers, and throughout the series, the author is obviously intent on following this practice, even though Godou killed several--each time making up an excuse of why he didn't get one. And about him mastering his existing ten--there's no evidence to proof that he hasn't already done so for the ten volumes after the two prequels. It's heavily hinted from the other campiones' authorities that the restrictions on the Persian Warlord would stay in place, there's no way to break them unless you use a certain unique method in volume ten which most probably could not be used again. The guys' had their authorities much longer than Godou, but the restrictions on their authorities pretty much remain the same. Last edited by Avrorrange; 2012-08-06 at 19:30. |
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2012-08-06, 10:37 | Link #2609 |
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Well in vol4chap 6 Erica speculates about the reason Godou got so many powers when he killed Verethragna. Perhaps the closer Godou gets in personality to Verethragna(the one in the myth, not the heretic version) the less restrictions he will have? Or was his "compatibility" decided at the moment of death and can't change?
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2012-08-06, 11:26 | Link #2610 | ||
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The god really wants to fight Godou and their fight has yet to meet a conclusión and Melqart won't accept the kind of ending with Godou telling him to go off like that the god is a warrior it would hurt his pride if the end of a fair match doesn't meet a proper ending. Quote:
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2012-08-06, 11:37 | Link #2611 | |
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It's because his current abilities weren't enough that the Kunasagi sword (for Godou) was introduced in volume 7. |
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2012-08-06, 12:50 | Link #2612 | |
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First, the author never claimed that he was treated as a god in his original myths. Rather, just that his myth is based on other gods, or myths of other gods were based on him. Now, I checked him up on wikipedia (I'm not all too familiar with what myth lead to the creation of what myth), and according to it, the founding myths of the twelve Olympians were based on Perseus's legends. In this series, that tends to be a sufficient connection for some link to be established between the two. That isn't retconning, just universe mechanics. Second, Perseus IS half-god. Maybe the author just considers 50% god to be enough god to be a god? That is more or less an arbitrary divide right there. EDIT: Actually, never mind. Just realized that the based on the spoilers posted in this thread, the author does indeed "retcon" the Arthurian legends. And kinda blatanly says so in the story (the whole part about the legend being a LIE fabricated to try to bring back the true king [slayer], but failed because it got changed too much from reality). So yeah, kinda hard to argue that he doesn't change the story of Arthurian legend, when he has an ex-god come out and say "yeah, we rewrote all that junk" |
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2012-08-06, 15:28 | Link #2615 |
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he doesnt slay anyone except the first god from what translations have progressed.
All the other gods he fought, he only beat the crap out of. Not kill. If anything Doni cleans up for him once, but Doni didnt upsurp that god's authority. |
2012-08-06, 19:23 | Link #2616 |
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He does, but he didn't get their power either because he ganged up on them
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Spoiler for volume ten:
The whole reason why he went berserk was because he was under Spoiler for volume ten:
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2012-08-06, 19:58 | Link #2619 | |
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I'm wondering in Vol 6 how the Kusanagi sword transferred him to the Netherworld when he didn't have it on him, nor was it in the Netherworld waiting for him.. |
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2012-08-06, 20:00 | Link #2620 | |
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^And that is what I was thinking as well, that his personality and the constant way he keeps lying to himself about his base instincts of competitiveness are the reason why he does have restrictions imposed
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