2012-11-06, 09:13 | Link #381 | ||
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Innocent until proven guilty does not apply from my perspective in cases of rape. Himiko is not giving any impression as we haven't seen her side of what happened afterwards. The language being used is not in favor of her being the caller. If she was the caller, someone (the police) would have told the friends by the time the trial happened. The anger that the friends had is suggesting otherwise. So i'll still think that she wasn't the caller. It could be that she was too scared etc. We can agree to disagree since you guys didn't think of this scenario. Quote:
There are prob a few girls who would do stuff like this for money. The world is not a nice place. Just like.. there were more than a few people who jumped at a chance to be given 100,000 yen to see their worst enemies disappear.
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2012-11-06, 10:30 | Link #382 |
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Man they sure did a good job of making Himiko looks utterly lost and helpless throughout this episode ultimately dependent on the kindness of strangers for survival. Come to think of it it's been one tough break for her after another pretty much since she was first introduced kind of making her this shows official emotional punching bag character up to now.
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2012-11-06, 15:46 | Link #383 | ||||
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Overall, your opinion to what happened is the complete opposite to mine. So i have to agree to disagree. |
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2012-11-06, 17:46 | Link #384 |
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I'm just slightly disturbed that there are actual people who seem to think that Himiko deserved what she got because she had the gall to not get raped with the rest of them.
Seriously, that's what you're saying when you say "she shouldn't have run away". Because not running away brings us the logical result. Saying it's her fault for getting them into that situation is even worse. Are you implying she did it on purpose?? That she knew what was gonna happen? |
2012-11-06, 20:28 | Link #386 | ||
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Now Himiko only needed to get to a safe area and then call. That was the point I was making since there was a gang rape in progress with the girl actually being conscious which made the situation worse.
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2012-11-07, 17:07 | Link #389 |
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"Innocent until proven guilty" is never true, even in court. A defendant can given a "not guilty" verdict, but that is not the same as being innocent. "Not guilty" means the defendant is not directly responsible for whatever specific charges they are being tried for. "Innocent" means the defendant has no knowledge, awareness, involvement, or relation to the case whatsoever.
"Not guilty until proven innocent" is merely the the scientific/statistical model of null hypothesis testing in a court of law, where your objective is to find evidence to disprove that a certain event happened by chance and are unaffected by the variables you are testing (aka, the "null hypothesis"). In Himiko's case, I don't think there's enough evidence to prove or disprove that she abandoned her friends or was directly responsible for them getting raped. However, I really don't think objective evidence matters in this case: if Himiko's friends are angry enough to want to blame her, they can condemn her to this island without having to be rational. |
2012-11-07, 20:20 | Link #390 |
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Let's not forget that Himiko introduced those guys that gangraped her friends... definitely she could have done more, but it's understandable that she couldn't when ones about it rationally, which definitely won't be the case for girls who were raped by three guys each, while expecting a romantic date with celebrities. For all four (including Himiko), independent of circumstances, IMHO, they should have known better, but I think we have beaten that subject to death with AnoHana and Penguin already
Anyway, WTF were those mutant lizards... alligators and crocodiles were to banal for this setting |
2012-11-07, 22:03 | Link #392 | |
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Seriously I'm not sure what to think of the lengths you go to convince people that she deserved it. Even going so far as to call it a setup? |
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2012-11-07, 22:33 | Link #394 |
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1st point: Yes, I agree. You can't blame Himiko for being afraid, right? It happens to everyone. Those girls are inconsiderate, especially Miho, banishing her friend for that reason. That girl is lucky to be saved by the Police before she got drugged and such; hell, even if she got raped, at least she lived to see the day rather than being turned into sex slaves. See what I mean!
And yet, those girls have the nerve to banish her just like that! What kind of friends are they? That is the worst kind of people out there!!! Who do you think those girls are? Do they have such right to condemned her for what she hasn't done. Girl, she's also a victim just like you. I'd say it's also Mihos' fault for not knowing the kind of guy he admired. That guys' face is full of ill intentions. The girls got raped but their lives were spared but banishing Himiko and gets big wad of cash in exchange: I'd say "Go to HELLLL you bitches!!!" How dare you call yourselves her friends!!!! |
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I'm just stating an opinion. Not trying to convince anyone. And..I already agree to disagree as we have beaten the horse's carcass until the bones have turned to dust on this topic.
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2012-11-08, 04:21 | Link #396 |
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That only proves that the girls are clearly retarded and possibly insane or at the very least deserve zero respect whatsoever. They should be the ones on that island.
Either that, or they were jealous of her hotness and popularity to begin with and this was just a trigger to finally get rid of her. Ooh, look I just made the thing go full circle. |
2012-11-08, 05:45 | Link #397 |
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I think the girls' reaction in sending Himeko to the island is understandable, albeit irrational. Even if Himeko did everything she could to save them, which is still unclear at this point, it is only natural for them to feel angry at her. She was the one who brought them to meet with the guys, and they wouldn't have become victims of sexual assault but for that. It is also arguable that she should have been more careful about introducing her friends to guys that she wasn't too familiar with.
Whether or not the girls were right in what they did and whether Himeko deserved to be sent to the island are different issues altogether, but I do't see their actions as being unbelievable. Aside from that, there is no evidence in the anime or manga that jealousy over Himeko's looks and/or popularity played a part in it. |
2012-11-08, 06:25 | Link #399 |
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How about anger? Is it that hard to imagine that, you know, they wouldn't be angry at what happened to them? Seriously, they've lost their innocence, their reputations are shot... those by themselves should be ample reason enough to feel vindictive. Also, I honestly think that nothing Himeko can say will convince them at this point.
And yes, this argument is getting circular. Let. It. Freaking. Go. Already.
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