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View Poll Results: Do you like Orihime? | |||
I liked her before... | 50 | 5.66% | |
I love her! | 208 | 23.53% | |
I like her. | 190 | 21.49% | |
Don't really like her, don't really hate her. | 190 | 21.49% | |
I dislike her.. | 87 | 9.84% | |
I HATE HER. | 143 | 16.18% | |
Other. | 16 | 1.81% | |
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2008-09-06, 02:51 | Link #802 | |
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When she slapped Ulquiora she was trembling in fear and she only did that because he pushed her over the edge. That fact is that Orihime is scarred shitless for what will happen to her and for the lives of her friends. Orihime just doesn't have the ego or self-pride of Tatsuki or Rukia. Those traits were never aspects of her personality to begin with. |
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2008-09-06, 03:36 | Link #803 |
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Funny, I never mentioned Rukia...
Orihime is not the same character "type" as Tatsuki, but she can be determined when she needs to be - ie: the fight against the hollow that I mentioned in my previous post. She was also determined to do what she could when she stood up to Yammy alone (funnily enough, also in defense of Tatsuki - but that's another discussion entirely, reserved for the 'Romance in Bleach' thread ) before the HM arc. Orihime has a backbone when she's defending her best friend, so why can't she show a little more of that throughout the series? As soon as Ichigo shows up she just of folds her hands and goes "Okay! Go get 'em tiger!" and it pisses me off to no end. I hardly think it's unreasonable to ask to see a little more contribution from her character when she's shown more than once that she has the ability to fight. And the Ulquiorra slap... there are a hundred different ways I could dissect that but visualizing her as trembling in fear was never at the top of my list. She was bawling upset that her friend just died, he pushes her to the breaking point to test her limits and she rewarded him with a slap. The way I saw it, she was shocked with herself for having reacted that way at all. He forced her down from her pillar to become a baser being who reacted with violence (at least I think that was his goal, though I could be wrong). Whatever her reasons, Orihime doesn't fear Ulquiorra. I think that's been made pretty apparent in the manga. But then, maybe you're an anime only person? *shrug* |
2008-09-06, 04:28 | Link #804 |
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The fight with Yammi destroyed all of her shun shun rika spirits. At best her shield protected her and Chad because Yammi found it so peculiar rather than having any actual defensive capabilities. She was able to heal Chad because Yammi and Ulquiora let her do so. If anything, her fights have proven that her offensive capabilities are near non-existant and her defensive capabilities are limited to deflecting weak attacks and debris.
It's pretty apparent that she's the type who will always stick up for her friends, but not for herself. Like is said, she doesn't have the ego or self-pride to bite back at every little insult. How is Orihime, with so little power, supposed to contribute when Ichigo is fighting? She would only be a hindrance to him and she's fully aware of it. Orihime, on the same battle field as Ichigo, would be his biggest weakness rather than a benefit. At best she can heal the wounded and shield them from falling debris. If I remember correctly, Ichigo took Grimmjow's cero because the later aimed at Orihime and Nel behind Ichigo. That was just from being in the vicinity. If she tried to help, Ichigo would spend more time taking hits for her than fighting. |
2008-09-06, 04:33 | Link #805 | |
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2008-09-06, 05:12 | Link #806 | |
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It's been proven that her offensive capabilities are non-existent? Really? Spoiler for Space:
I've already stated, more than once I believe, that I don't expect Orihime's character to walk in and own shit. That is not, and never has been, my point. Her strength may not be offensive fighting against arrancar level enemies but she CAN still contribute. She is a liability to Ichigo on the battlefield only because his enemies are THE biggest, strongest, baddest etc. In other fights she can hold her own. In addition to healing people, Kubo could have her get involved in the current fight by taking on a weaker fraccion or a lower level hollow in HM - really he could make her do literally anything at this point and it would fall into the realm of 'contributing' because up until this point he's had her do fuck all on her own but sit on her hands and cry. |
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2008-09-06, 05:15 | Link #807 | ||
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As for her being "emo", maybe consider the circumstances? Imprisoned in las noches, abused physicaly and mentaly, knowing the friends she tried to save are risking their lives to save her... Quote:
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2008-09-06, 05:22 | Link #808 | |
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2008-09-06, 05:30 | Link #809 | |
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2008-09-06, 05:35 | Link #810 | |
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2008-09-06, 05:54 | Link #811 |
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Yes, her shun shun rika were upgraded with Hachigen's help. But which espada do you think Orihime could handle if she was at "full power"?
Orihime isn't a "magical girl". She can't just make a wish, say some silly words and have instant victory. Her fighting spirit has to be stronger than her opponent's. Remember the no-name shinigami who first destroyed tsubaki? Which espada do you think Orihime could surpass in fighting spirit? If Tsubaki was powered by Hichigo's fighting spirit and killing intent then yeah, Tsubaki could take on Aizen himself. Deep down, Orihime doesn't want to fight. Under pressure, she can strengthen her resolve to some extent. |
2008-09-06, 07:21 | Link #812 | ||
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Anyway, she had never expected herself to be the sitting duck throughout the whole GrimmjawxIchigo fight. Ichigo suggested that they should move somewhere else to fight, and somehow the fight ended up near them. Was Orihime expecting Grimmjaw to shoot Grand Ray Cero at her and Nelle? Was she hoping the released Grimmjaw to shoot missile at her? Nope. Bear in mind, that not only were they very destructively strong, ie able to decimate thngs easily......the Grand Ray Cero and the missiles were very fast, Ichigo had to move faster than the speed of light in order to counter them. With that two factors in mind, speed and strong destructive capabilities, do you think Orihime would be able to protect herself and Nell, if Ichigo had not step in? But hey, you can always choose to look at my simple, pragmatic Bleach perspective, "Kubo Tite ALWAYS MAKE Ichigo protect Orihime ALWAYS because KUROSAKI ICHIGO is the main Bleach character and hero" I don't know when can Kubo Tite make my goddess Orihime strong as Yoruichi/Rukia. Quote:
Tatsuki was trained from dojo since she was a small kid. Karin, Yuzu's other twin mingles with pansy boys at her age and has a brother and father like Ichigo and Isshin. Orihime had been taken care by only her older gentle brother and had not learnt karate until Tatsuki trained her. Alright, I'll compare Orihime with Tatsuki and Karin. But I'll compare Orihime from the beginning when she had no power at all, with Tatsuki and Karin who at this moment had no spiritual power, except the ability to see hollows. Orihime was 'killed' by AcidWire, her spirit/ghost was what that was left from her body. Orihime's ghost, eventhough she was afraid and confused, not knowing what was happening tried to help save Tatsuki. Even then, even after being stabbed to death, squeezed/strangled to death, she bravely faced her 'hollow' brother (after knowing that the hollow was her brother) and hugged him, despite the sharp gnaw teeth her dead brother gave her. Tatsuki, not being able to see ghosts at the first time when AcidWire attacked......was confused and afraid,......what did she do?.....she fainted. Was Karin any better than Orihime? I doubt so, when she saw GrandFisher, did she behave her strong self and protected Yuzu from GrandFisher? Didn't she too shake in fear and got herself caught by GrandFisher? People tend to fear things they don't understand, eventhough they are offensively strong. |
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2008-09-06, 08:41 | Link #814 | |
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I myself am frustrated with her progress, and I adore Orihime . I have the patience to watch her slowly metamorphose; for people who aren't really that fond of her and also to a lesser extent some neutral people, she could might as well die. You gave good points explaining why she is the way she is, but most people still see that as an excuse because other people went through hardships and changed to be stronger. Orhime just needs more time and help not because she's apathetic, but because of her character. |
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2008-09-06, 11:17 | Link #815 |
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Orihime is a typically 'good' fictional character; if the fans think a little bit harder, they will have realize that what she had gone through, was basically what every other characters else had gone through.
Was she the only one who felt jealous over another person just because the other person was 'better than her'? Ichigo(jealous over Ishida for being first in the class), Renji(jealous at Kira for being better than him in kidou), Ishida (not being competitive with Ichigo, right), Rukia(she's jealous at the fact that Renji was in the top class and.....) Hiyori (jealous with Orihime), Mashirou etc Was she the only one who felt low self-esteem complex? Ichigo, beaten twice by Grimmjaw,.....Chad when he got told off by Ichigo to get out of the way.......Renji when he compared himself with Byakuya......Rukia(when she realized that the only thing she was good at as a shinigami was kidou and not swordfighting),......Ururu......Ishida for letting down his grandfather. Grimmjaw, Hinamori, Nnoitora Was she the only one who let herself get pushed over by others, without a real proper fight, like the Loly&Menoly's case? Chad when he was in middle school, his grandfather told him not to fight back. Ishida with Ryuuken when training. Ryuken mentioned that Ishida was not fighting him with that much of killer instincts, eventhough we heard him mention to Kamaitaichi that he had killing instincts. Ichigo when fighting with Doldonee; Doldonee had literally asked him to bring out his bankai, just like how Grimmjaw did, asking Ichigo to come out full-force in his fight fight. Rukia to some extent, when she felt guilt of what she had done in the past. Was she the only character that felt lonely, being left behind and abandoned? Ichigo, Tatsuki, Ishida, Rukia, Renji, Chad, Hitsugaya, Matsumoto, Grimmjaw. The differences that set Orihime aside from other Bleach characters are a) Next to Ichigo, she's singled out for comedy purposes, her imaginative ditzy mind and the choice of food she eats and forcefeed everyone else. b) Her narration and 'sharp' observation of Ichigo's thoughts and feelings (which many people think it's a clear sign of obsessive love) plus everything else; she acts as a narrator. c) Her own self-discovery journey, be it her powers, her relationships with others or her emotions. Other characters do not have that 'priviliges' of going through their lives being scrutinized by fans; most of them only have flashbacks when the author wants it that way. And in that journey of self-discovery, she's bound to make some 'fall backs/regressions of characters'.....you'll have to look at the situation first before complaining that she has regress backwards. As for her 'one-sided' love for Ichigo and the need for her to change it in order for her to grow strong/stable......clearly there are other else characters who share this trait but doesn't get that much of criticism from the fans. Seriously, do you all really believe that Kubo Tite really focuses her weakness of 'one-sided' love now as much in order that he(Kubo Tite) would change her later....by making her fall out of love? I don't see her one-sided love being a real big hampering issue to her growth, despite me not liking IchiHime coupling at all. Of course, there are others who disagree. Last edited by asam_laksa; 2008-09-06 at 11:48. |
2008-09-06, 11:52 | Link #816 | |
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Nevermind. If you are only going to read what you want out of my posts and not what is actually there then there's no point discussing this with you any longer. |
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2008-09-06, 13:24 | Link #818 | |||
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I was making a generalization with that statement. Some of the people who totally hate Orihime and want to see horrible, horrible things done to her tend to be IchiRuki fanatics. I'm not saying they're all like that; obviously they're not, and I don't think the majority of them actually hate her. I just used it as an example. Everyone has their own reasons for loving or hating her. But I still think this thread has become more of an intelligent discussion about Inoue's character, both the good and the bad, than people bashing her and flaming other users for liking her. Quote:
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2008-09-06, 13:45 | Link #819 |
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define 'appreciate' ;p j/k
nothing wrong w/ hoping for a change in her, but saying she could outright kill an Espada if she absolute faith in her powers is kinda overdoing it, after all...I'm sure Chiriku from Naruto had faith he could take out Hidan and Kakuzu...and we saw how that ended >_> |
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