Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai - Light Novel Discussion

[ueXia]

Originally Posted by Flere821

I'm going to have to debunk Wilfriback's position that the cover is Stella and Stella's mother: The older girl is wearing a Butler's suit. The cover is Stella at age 15-16, beginning to work for Pegasus as a butler to take care of Sena, with her younger half-sister Sena with her on the cover.

2nd pic, the LN says the two girls aren't related. The girl with the eyepatch is Kodaka and Kobato's mother, while the other girl is Stella's mother. This is a scene from Pegasus' high school days, and Pegasus haven't met his fiancee (Sena's mother) by this point yet.

Yeah, no. It's confirmed that Kobato is really Kodaka's sister. Kodaka's father was there when she's born.

Then why does Kodaka/Kobato's "mother" have the same hairpin as "Stella" then? Also, the cover highly implies the older girl has something wrong with her left eye, same as that in the dinner picture.
Another fact is that Stella is shown to have short hair since she went to Japan to be a butler (14), there is a picture with her looking at a baby Sena and she's got that gloomy look and really short hair as in the present.

Man, this is a tough row to hoe.

[AC-Phoenix]

Yeah its complicated, thus I stick with my original statement for now. I still think he right one is Sena's mother because <insert random meat joke> and the left one Kodaka's because she looks like Kobato. Plus Kobato and Sena really look related. (Might be because both of them are blonde though )

[gaiachaos]

Spoiler:

1. Eyepatch young English woman = Kodaka and Kobato's mother (Irie Aaron).
2. Short hair young English woman is Noel Redfield, Stella's biological mother. Stella was implied to be an accident. Pegasus went out with Noel back in their high school days...but...

Source: The book and Japanese Wiki.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by gaiachaos

Spoiler:

1. Eyepatch young English woman = Kodaka and Kobato's mother (Irie Aaron).
2. Short hair young English woman is Noel Redfield, Stella's biological mother. Stella was implied to be an accident. Pegasus went out with Noel back in their high school days...but...

Source: The book and Japanese Wiki.

I figured that was the case

[Raviel]

Originally Posted by gaiachaos

Spoiler:

1. Eyepatch young English woman = Kodaka and Kobato's mother (Irie Aaron).
2. Short hair young English woman is Noel Redfield, Stella's biological mother. Stella was implied to be an accident. Pegasus went out with Noel back in their high school days...but...

Source: The book and Japanese Wiki.

Pegasus and Kodaka's dad must have been really good friends, I mean they even share the same preferences for women.

[ueXia]

Originally Posted by gaiachaos

Spoiler:

1. Eyepatch young English woman = Kodaka and Kobato's mother (Irie Aaron).
2. Short hair young English woman is Noel Redfield, Stella's biological mother. Stella was implied to be an accident. Pegasus went out with Noel back in their high school days...but...

Source: The book and Japanese Wiki.

So the girls in the cover could be Kobato and her mom <3

[Sumeragi]

*Facepalm*

You know people, let's follow the most logical answer: Sena and Ms. Hasegawa.

[gaiachaos]

Originally Posted by ueXia

So the girls in the cover could be Kobato and her mom <3

They are. Naturally, the school uniform makes the mom (Irie) look younger.

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

*Facepalm*

You know people, let's follow the most logical answer: Sena and Ms. Hasegawa.

No.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Raviel

Pegasus and Kodaka's dad must have been really good friends, I mean they even share the same preferences for women.

Perhaps to an extent but for sisters they seem to be different.

Heres a thought. What if senas obsession with kobato was because she was very close with kobato and kodakas mother. Like what is on the cover.

[Raviel]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Perhaps to an extent but for sisters they seem to be different.

Heres a thought. What if senas obsession with kobato was because she was very close with kobato and kodakas mother. Like what is on the cover.

That.....that actually makes a lot of sense, maybe on a subconscious level Sena still "remembers" Kodaka's mother.

On another note, my memory is a bit hazy, did they ever mention how Kodaka's mother died and where Sena's biological mother is as of the current time in the LN?

[sky black swordman]

Originally Posted by Raviel

That.....that actually makes a lot of sense, maybe on a subconscious level Sena still "remembers" Kodaka's mother.

On another note, my memory is a bit hazy, did they ever mention how Kodaka's mother died and where Sena's biological mother is as of the current time in the LN?

Not sure if they did.

Sena's mom according to Pegasus is:

"No, my wife is currently overseas,"

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by Raviel

On another note, my memory is a bit hazy, did they ever mention how Kodaka's mother died

Sometime after the birth of Kobato.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Raviel

That.....that actually makes a lot of sense, maybe on a subconscious level Sena still "remembers" Kodaka's mother.

On another note, my memory is a bit hazy, did they ever mention how Kodaka's mother died and where Sena's biological mother is as of the current time in the LN?

It is indeed possible she met Kodaka's mother and took a liking to her, however we don't really know if the girl in the picture is Sena or Kobato.
We can however assume that it is indeed Kobato's mother.

If you take a look at the two pictures I posted you will see that both pictures share two similarities:
1 Her left eye is closed
2 she has black-transparent bows

While she was probably wearing a glass eye in the fist picture she had an eye patch in the second.

The whole problem is the question who the little girl she is holding is now.
from the Anime we know that Sena was already wearing her buttlerfly bows back then, so we can pretty much asusme the girl she is holding is Kobato.

HOWEVER

Her holding Kobato is problematic on a totally different level as we know from Kodaka that their mother died briefly after Kobato was born.

So we are left with 2 options now:
- The girl in the picture is Sena with roses in her hair
- The little girl is Kobato, and the woman holding her is someone posing as Kobato's mother to make her happy.

1st: needs no further theorizing

2nd:
2.1 Brings us back to the theory that Kodaka and Sena would be cousins; Which wouldn't even be unlikely given that Kodaka's father and Pegasus apparently have a similar taste in woman.

2.2 Yet another possibility would be Sena, Kobato and Kodaka actually being half siblings, which would however make Kodaka's statement that his mother died questionable.
Don't misunderstand me now, Its not a bad novel but I somehow doubt tey are siblings.
It is true that one might be able to construct a relationship to kobato alike (I will name her girl A from now on) out of Pegasus liking for Kodaka's father.
However, them still being friends and letting the two of them getting engaged without any complaints is a bit too deep for tomodachi.
It would either make Kodaka's mother the worst or if not letting her have a split personality(therefore playng around with the word 'dead') / memory loss

[Raviel]

Man we could be avoiding all of these arguements if the author bothered to put a few more defining features on Kobato, Sena's Mom, Kodaka's Mom, Sena, Stella, and Stella's Mom.

You would never believe they weren't related unless someone told you otherwise .

[Sumeragi]

BTW, there is a reason why Airi (mother) had an eyepatch, and it isn't because she's blind in her left eye.

[gaiachaos]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

The whole problem is the question who the little girl she is holding is now.
from the Anime we know that Sena was already wearing her buttlerfly bows back then, so we can pretty much asusme the girl she is holding is Kobato.

HOWEVER

Her holding Kobato is problematic on a totally different level as we know from Kodaka that their mother died briefly after Kobato was born.

So we are left with 2 options now:
- The girl in the picture is Sena with roses in her hair
- The little girl is Kobato, and the woman holding her is someone posing as Kobato's mother to make her happy.

There is nothing to speculate. The picture is explained in the author's notes and the author clearly indicated that the little girl is Kobato and high school girl is Kobato's mom Irie.

[potchip]

Always thought the little girl is Sena - Kobato doesn't have a spaztic smile like that....only Sena, so I go with my first impression.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by gaiachaos

There is nothing to speculate. The picture is explained in the author's notes and the author clearly indicated that the little girl is Kobato and high school girl is Kobato's mom Irie.

Which I can't read

Did the author explain the contradiction resulting from this too btw?
Because well... the girl she is holding doesn't really look like she wass just born

[Sumeragi]

Sometime after does not mean right after.

@ gaiachaos: Mind writing out the author's notes? Haven't been able to read the book.

[sky black swordman]

Her holding Kobato is problematic on a totally different level as we know from Kodaka that their mother died briefly after Kobato was born.

By briefly, how long do you mean ? A few months or maybe 1 or 2 years ? If so then, Kobato's gestures, expressions, and comments in these scenes suggest otherwise.

Spoiler for Scenes:

"...You know that our mom isn't with us anymore, right?"

"Ah... yeah," Sena said, nodding awkwardly.

I could tell Kobato's face clouded over too.

"I've got black eyes like my dad, and my skin is kinda dark like his too. It's like, I don't look very half-Japanese... I do wish I had all blond hair like our mom's like this one here has though."

I said while rubbing the Kobato's head as she silently walked along

She might be thinking that we're a blond-haired delinquent-ish husband and wife, with a little girl in grade school...

"Haa!? W-why would I be Kobato's mom!? I'm her sister!"

"No, you're not her sister either!"

I quickly yelled back at Sena who just blurted out a huge lie like it was nothing.

"...She's nothin' like Mom."

Kobato quietly murmured to herself with a sullen expression on her face

These seem to suggest Kodaka's Mom died at an age where at least Kobato was old enough to understand her mother's behavior and personality as well as being able to remember her mother quite well.