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Key Board · 2014-04-09, 23:10

I'd say no one really wins with the "power of heart or friendship" nowadays, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Protagonist win because they are special snowflakes.
They don't win because they are average joes that work hard. (but a lot of them need to work hard still)
They win because they come from a special pedigree or background.
In Souma's case, he's the son of the world class chef, and has more or less, received internship training from his dad

And it's not just him look at the other popular shounen jump titles leads.

Sixth · 2014-04-09, 23:27

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Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Honesty if

Spoiler for Sp:

Delicious Food + Heart > Delicious + No heart.

So, what is the problem here? You sounded like Soma's food was terribad, and the reason he won is because he put "DA HEART" into the food he cooked?

If you have problem with the whole "Heart/Nakama" things, maybe you should stop reading Shonen Jump.

hamazura · 2014-04-09, 23:30

i dont care, what important is the foodgasm

aliceee~

aohige · 2014-04-09, 23:52

I think the biggest problem is, people think "putting your heart into the food" is literally just having feelings while cooking.

But that's never been what they mean in this manga.
It's not about pure feelings, the correct context is "thoughtful" or "considerate".

Food that's considerate of the person eating it, and reflects it.

It's not intangible at ALL. It's a physical reflection showcased in the dish.

ellifeedn · 2014-04-09, 23:53

Even changing how much salt is in the food can have big effects.

Sixth · 2014-04-09, 23:59

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Originally Posted by aohige

I think the biggest problem is, people think "putting your heart into the food" is literally just having feelings while cooking.

But that's never been what they mean in this manga.
It's not about pure feelings, the correct context is "thoughtful" or "considerate".

Food that's considerate of the person eating it, and reflects it.

It's not intangible at ALL. It's a physical reflection showcased in the dish.

Well said. I agreed with you.

n0m@n · 2014-04-10, 00:19

Spoiler for alice:

Yeah, Aohige was right about the spoilers being unreliable.
I checked the spoiler thread at 2chan again and one of the guy there was giving spoilers he got from this thread(yes this soma thread) lol.
So we take spoilers from there while they take spoilers from there.
Yup, its messed up.

I guess Soma beating Alice was the only "true" spoiler(judging from that awesome illustration).

aohige · 2014-04-10, 00:27

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Originally Posted by n0m@n

Spoiler for alice:

Yeah, Aohige was right about the spoilers being unreliable.
I checked the spoiler thread at 2chan again and one of the guy there was giving spoilers he got from this thread(yes this soma thread) lol.
So we take spoilers from there while they take spoilers from there.
Yup, its messed up.

I guess Soma beating Alice was the only "true" spoiler(judging from that awesome illustration).

Well, it seems Eru the translator for the scanlation, posted tidbits, so I would say that's reliable.
The 2ch spoilers were all fake this week, I think they lost the spoiler guy. I'd reserve any details until I read it in Japanese though.

Regardless, the "putting heart in it" was a specific thing like I explained.
Soma's was an actual bentou, filled with fun for the lunchtime. Alice was just a "sushi in a box" lol

GreyZone · 2014-04-10, 05:20

I really hope that the spoiler that Von Himmel posted is the correct one, or that it is at least something along those lines (i.e. like aohige, I and others said, Alice failed to get the theme right). I agree with DevilHighDxD that if they will instead really talk about the "power of love & friendship", then this chapter will be a failure.

Dysprosium · 2014-04-10, 05:43

Eru13 (the translator for this scanlation), has already posted the full summary of the chapter itself:

Spoiler:

kenjtr · 2014-04-10, 06:27

I think souma has a fair win here and no one can say he won because of shounen hero power , i mean alice didnt consider the people that eat her food she just looked down on them it was like " just be greatful to eat my food you peasants

" while souma was like " this food is made specially for you my valuable costumers " . Ofcouse that made a big difference for judges .

DevilHighDxD · 2014-04-10, 08:21

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Originally Posted by noobita

Delicious Food + Heart > Delicious + No heart.

So, what is the problem here? You sounded like Soma's food was terribad, and the reason he won is because he put "DA HEART" into the food he cooked?

If you have problem with the whole "Heart/Nakama" things, maybe you should stop reading Shonen Jump.

I did, with all shounen manga/anime such as Fairy Tail and like.

Sixth · 2014-04-10, 08:25

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Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

I did, with all shounen manga/anime such as Fairy Tail and like.

yet..you are still here reading Shougeki no Soma, which is from Shonen Jump.

DevilHighDxD · 2014-04-10, 08:29

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Originally Posted by noobita

yet..you are still here reading Shougeki no Soma, which is from Shonen Jump.

Depend on if the BS "heart" is taking to the level of Fairy Tail or the original Yu-Gi-Oh, then it an DROP.

Sixth · 2014-04-10, 08:30

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Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Depend on if the BS "heart" is taking to the level of Fairy Tail or the original Yu-Gi-Oh, then it an DROP.

Next match is Megumi Vs Hisoko...There would be a lot of "HEART". You should drop it now before too late.

**Klashikari** · 2014-04-10, 08:34

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Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Depend on if the BS "heart" is taking to the level of Fairy Tail or the original Yu-Gi-Oh, then it an DROP.

You keep saying BS when it comes to "heart" despite cooking is more than simply putting food/nutrient together for a dish.

Ever heard of "mom's cooking"?

DevilHighDxD · 2014-04-10, 08:37

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Originally Posted by noobita

Next match is Megumi Vs Hisoko...There would be a lot of "HEART". You should drop it now before too late.

Not guaranteed Megumi will win, even if she won by the BS "heart", there always that big dude to show off why the "heart" thingies is bullshit and Megumi can fight him instead to give her BSOD. I'm really looking forward for that match, using "break the cutie" trope on Megumi will be really fun to watch.

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Originally Posted by Klashikari

You keep saying BS when it comes to "heart" despite cooking is more than simply putting food/nutrient together for a dish.

Ever heard of "mom's cooking"?

Though I love my mom very much and dearly, most of the time she cook like... Well I really don't want to used that word. But you get what I meant. Plus I get more bad memories than good from it, that half-cooked bacon the other day...(shiver). T_T

**Klashikari** · 2014-04-10, 08:55

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Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Though I love my mom very much and dearly, most of the time she cook like... Well I really don't want to used that word. But you get what I meant. Plus I get more bad memories than good from it, that half-cooked bacon the other day...(shiver). T_T

You took my words too literally, but I guess I should elaborate:

What I'm referring is how some dish can be likened to "mom's cooking" as in: being more than just a delicious dish.
Simply put, taste isn't everything and if you had at least some experience with different type of dish with variant in term of side dish/cooking process, you would have realized what aohige meant.

It isn't about pouring feelings into it, but rather how the dish suits those who will eat it, as in what kind of considerate move would go along with cooking the dish.
Presentation, for one, is part of it. Don't tell me taste is everything, otherwise you are telling me that half the process in a restaurant is meaningless. And anyone who has gone/worked in a restaurant would tell you otherwise.
Composition is another one: some dish would lose its prime aroma without a certain ingredient, but likewise the latter may be too much for some people (hence why Megumi was often complimented, because she actually give extra attention to the judges, so having a very digest dish has actually worked in her favor before).

A bento is hardly a mere lunch in a box. So you don't put a luxury sushi set in a box and give it a go. That's non sense.

Avrorrange · 2014-04-10, 09:09

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Originally Posted by n0m@n

Spoiler for alice:

yeah, aohige was right about the spoilers being unreliable.
I checked the spoiler thread at 2chan again and one of the guy there was giving spoilers he got from this thread(yes this soma thread) lol.
So we take spoilers from there while they take spoilers from there.
Yup, its messed up.

I guess soma beating alice was the only "true" spoiler(judging from that awesome illustration).

oppai!!!!!!!!!

Kanon · 2014-04-10, 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by n0m@n

Spoiler for alice:

Yeah, Aohige was right about the spoilers being unreliable.
I checked the spoiler thread at 2chan again and one of the guy there was giving spoilers he got from this thread(yes this soma thread) lol.
So we take spoilers from there while they take spoilers from there.
Yup, its messed up.

I guess Soma beating Alice was the only "true" spoiler(judging from that awesome illustration).

I knew Tosh wouldn't disappoint.

Alice

2014-04-09, 23:10	Link #2421
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	I'd say no one really wins with the "power of heart or friendship" nowadays, so I wouldn't worry about that. Protagonist win because they are special snowflakes. They don't win because they are average joes that work hard. (but a lot of them need to work hard still) They win because they come from a special pedigree or background. In Souma's case, he's the son of the world class chef, and has more or less, received internship training from his dad And it's not just him look at the other popular shounen jump titles leads. __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

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hamazura whatever Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: wherever	i dont care, what important is the foodgasm aliceee~ __________________

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aohige ( ಠ_ಠ) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep	I think the biggest problem is, people think "putting your heart into the food" is literally just having feelings while cooking. But that's never been what they mean in this manga. It's not about pure feelings, the correct context is "thoughtful" or "considerate". Food that's considerate of the person eating it, and reflects it. It's not intangible at ALL. It's a physical reflection showcased in the dish. __________________

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n0m@n C-Z Join Date: Jan 2011	Spoiler for alice: Yeah, Aohige was right about the spoilers being unreliable. I checked the spoiler thread at 2chan again and one of the guy there was giving spoilers he got from this thread(yes this soma thread) lol. So we take spoilers from there while they take spoilers from there. Yup, its messed up. I guess Soma beating Alice was the only "true" spoiler(judging from that awesome illustration). __________________

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GreyZone "Senior" "Member" Join Date: Jan 2012	I really hope that the spoiler that Von Himmel posted is the correct one, or that it is at least something along those lines (i.e. like aohige, I and others said, Alice failed to get the theme right). I agree with DevilHighDxD that if they will instead really talk about the "power of love & friendship", then this chapter will be a failure. __________________

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ellifeedn Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York	Even changing how much salt is in the food can have big effects.

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Dysprosium Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: P \| [T]	Eru13 (the translator for this scanlation), has already posted the full summary of the chapter itself: Spoiler: Souma used an idea he got from candy (like "Nerunerunerune") to make nori into small salmon-roe-like drops This idea is actually considered a molecular gastronomy technique The rice also has a layer chopped dried bonito inside it Judge: If Nakiri Alice's dish was a systematically arranged jewel box, Judge: This Nori bento is just like a treasure box!! The judges get flashbacks to their childhood Alice starts saying that her chazuke was a better finisher and then Souma reveals there's a hidden container with Kudzu sauce in his box, he tells the judges to pour this sauce on the remaining rice The audience points out that the judges look like they're having fun Alice: Yukihira-kun...Is this what you meant? Alice: Are you trying to tell me that what we should put into our bento is our "heart"? Alice: The point is whether or not it tastes good...Isn't it? Senzaemon: Alice...your bento made a great use of cold. Alice: Yes...I mean, bento are things that cool down. Senzaemon: Yukihira Souma didn't fix upon that. [...] Senzaemon: You must likely would have presented the same dish if this was a sushi contest. Senzaemon: Naturally, your dish was extremely delicious...But, in fact, Senzaemon: You only adapted your techniques to fit in that box... Senzaemon: A flavor that's conveyed precisely because this is a bento, Senzaemon: Schemes that make bento culture progress... Senzaemon: Fun and novelty as a bento, Senzaemon: Did your dish had any of those? Souma(thinks): He said all I wanted to say... Alice has a flashback to how he decided to go to Europe out of her inferiority complex to Erina Senzaemon writes the winner(Souma)'s name with a giant brush Megumi is next Last edited by Dysprosium; 2014-04-10 at 06:03.

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kenjtr Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	I think souma has a fair win here and no one can say he won because of shounen hero power , i mean alice didnt consider the people that eat her food she just looked down on them it was like " just be greatful to eat my food you peasants " while souma was like " this food is made specially for you my valuable costumers " . Ofcouse that made a big difference for judges .