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felix · 2011-12-03, 06:30

LMAO, great chapter.

Hisoka?? · 2011-12-03, 07:35

To be honest, I think the FT members are still plenty strong. Just that they are no longer the strongest newbies, but merely one of the mature strong ones.

As in before, they were strong for their age/generation. But now, they are only average or maybe weak among their generation. but their overall power level vis a vi the whole world is probably still pretty much the same. At most, they may need to learn the new methods of using magic powers but the level of magic power individuals have should remain largely the same.

Unless the whole world had advanced in magic power within the 7 years. Which I feel is unlikely as this is magic and not science/technology.

Frailty · 2011-12-03, 07:37

so if a day in the Spirit world = 3 months in the human world

the celestial spirits only had 28 days of training(if they are training while they are there anyway)
which doesn't do much

the only chance of them winning will be if Natsu pulls off another deus ex machina
well, Laxus' group, Kana's group and Gajeel+Pantherlily had 3 months of training time
so, I guess they had more training than Natsu's group anyway

the Spirit world in-danger would've been an awesome plot though, if Mashima pushed through with that
and the time regarding the Human world and the Spirit world was reversed
it would be the perfect training for them before going to the Magic games

oh well

Kaijo · 2011-12-03, 09:21

What... the... hell?

Here I was all set for a training arc, and then a spirit world arc, only to find out I was trolled on both. Mashima, you are a crazy, insane man. And I can't figure out if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

I do kinda hate chapters where nothing much happens, and this was one of them. Fairly boring, although the ending was amusing.

My only concern is that people like Gajeel and Laxus should have gotten much stronger in the meantime, then, way stronger than Natsu's gang. Unless something happened to hold them back as well, then the power level parity has dramatically shifted. It does give Natsu's group a LOT of leeway to struggle, but it feels like it's almost too much.

I would wonder if they'd get a kind of power-up in the five days since the tournament, but given the track record, I'm gonna say it's not likely. I have a feeling in the next chapter they will all be "we couldn't accomplish much in 5 days after all..."

Which means odds are Natsu will get some kind of instant power-up to win stuff in the magic games. And there goes my hopes about Lucy increasing her magic and being able to summon more than 3 spirits in a row (or summon two at once).

felix · 2011-12-03, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Frailty

so if a day in the Spirit world = 3 months in the human world

7 years = 84 months = 28 spirit-days

So they threw a party for them just because they were gone a month? LOL

Ermes Marana · 2011-12-03, 12:52

I approve of this chapter.

I have no problem with authors trolling as long as they aren't stupid about it. We have no real evidence FT ever fell behind... and in fact it would make WAY more sense for them to still be at the top. They don't need to train! So this was good trolling.

If it does turn out they needed to train, then that would be bad trolling though instead of good trolling.

The only thing that did disappoint me about the chapter was once again emphasizing how Lucy's spirits can act on their own, and making it seem like she is somewhat useless. If they can come and go on their own, even taking part in the Trial on their own... what is she good for? Instead talking about how much they like her and are willing to help her, it needs to talk about how her power would increase the power of the spirits she summons.

felix · 2011-12-03, 12:56

This isn't really trolling to be honest. As far as FT goes this is standard plot.

kitten320 · 2011-12-03, 13:02

LOL
I'n actually happy with this outcome, they said that their magic was increasing a lot in just few days and if they were to continue, they would tottaly win with ease. Like that there will be some challenge. I REALLY hope that Gajeel and Laxus gang will be stronger and not on the same level where Erza and Natsu will be heroes again.

I wonder what Juvia and Aquarius were talking about, it is the first time I see Aquarius so friendly with a female. Lucy has two crazy/strong chick on her back now.

Hisoka?? · 2011-12-03, 13:18

I don't know how the spirits are able to get enough rest. Imagine your master summons you every week which seems to be a low estimate given how often they fight. That would mean being called every 2 hours or less (7/90 days), 24/7 365 days a year.

Imagine fighting every 112 minutes. They should be in a constant state of exhaustion.

sergel02 · 2011-12-03, 13:18

I'm kinda hoping for Lucy to pull a Jean Grey in the tournament and go all Dark Phoenix on everyone. Just don't kill her =D

AvalonCode · 2011-12-03, 13:53

ROFL. Epic Troll

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-12-03, 14:50

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Originally Posted by Hisoka??

I don't know how the spirits are able to get enough rest. Imagine your master summons you every week which seems to be a low estimate given how often they fight. That would mean being called every 2 hours or less (7/90 days), 24/7 365 days a year.

Imagine fighting every 112 minutes. They should be in a constant state of exhaustion.

That's probably why the contracts that limit when they can be summoned are in place.

Anh_Minh · 2011-12-03, 16:00

Except even so, some spirits get summoned several times a week.

It might explain why Aquarius's so cranky, though.

felix · 2011-12-03, 16:18

Aquarius is cranky because Lucy doesn't have a boyfriend, or at least a lover. She's most likely inspired from the Zeus mythological love story. She has no problem with Juvi for example, because Juvi has a lover.

Her "flooding" everything is also directly taken from greek mythology.

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-12-03, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Except even so, some spirits get summoned several times a week.

The Celestial Spirits, especially the Zodiac Spirits, aren't even human in the first place. There's only one of each Zodiac Key, and from my understanding of the Silver Keys, each copy of the key means a copy of the spirit. Merely being in the spirit world recharges them; it's staying in the human world for more than a few hours at a time that starts kicking their asses.

Kafriel · 2011-12-03, 16:31

Well, the spirit world is, quite literally, a world of magic. It would make sense for their power to replenish much faster than that of mages, even more so if time flows faster too.

christinemarie · 2011-12-03, 18:54

I believe Natsu and company are actually powered up in the process without them realizing it by staying in the Celestial World for a day. I wonder when is the time Lucy can use a high level Celestial magic that she unconsciously used due to the downloader guy during her battle with the other Celestial Wizard. I assume Lucy can summon Homaru Celestial King later on, probably needs to summon all twelve Zodiacs simultaneously (Libra and Pisces celestial gate key are not yet available they didn't even show up to welcome Lucy in Celestial World) before she can do it. So Plue is a common Celestial spirit in Celestial World.

immblueversion · 2011-12-03, 22:44

Well, it's obvious they're nowhere near as strong as they feel they should be, but they did note that they've gotten quite a bit stronger in just under two days...

MechR · 2011-12-03, 22:48

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Originally Posted by sergel02

The only time issue would be considering that to fix an entire dimension, it could take weeks. That would be years back in Fiore, so everyone else would age a ton.

That could be avoided by Mashima simply making the time-difference whatever he wanted. Like if saving the Stellar world took a week, he could've just said 1 week = 3 months, instead of 1 day = 3 months.

Quote:

Originally Posted by felix

7 years = 84 months = 28 spirit-days

So they threw a party for them just because they were gone a month? LOL

Or they might've thought Lucy was dead for real.

Etheral · 2011-12-03, 22:49

Does anyone else think the spirit food and special book will lead to massive power-ups?

I think it should. I'm pretty sure no one else get's to go to the spirit world so I wouldn't mind if Mashima decided to use it as a reason for the wins. I in fact want him to, because it will sound more plausible when they win. If they lose, that would be an unexpected pleasant surprise.

I think MechR is right, they probably thought she might be dead or at least unreachable from their abilities.

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felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	LMAO, great chapter. __________________

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Frailty Constellation Graphic Designer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pearl of the Orient Seas Age: 31	so if a day in the Spirit world = 3 months in the human world the celestial spirits only had 28 days of training(if they are training while they are there anyway) which doesn't do much the only chance of them winning will be if Natsu pulls off another deus ex machina well, Laxus' group, Kana's group and Gajeel+Pantherlily had 3 months of training time so, I guess they had more training than Natsu's group anyway the Spirit world in-danger would've been an awesome plot though, if Mashima pushed through with that and the time regarding the Human world and the Spirit world was reversed it would be the perfect training for them before going to the Magic games oh well __________________

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felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	This isn't really trolling to be honest. As far as FT goes this is standard plot. __________________

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kitten320 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	LOL I'n actually happy with this outcome, they said that their magic was increasing a lot in just few days and if they were to continue, they would tottaly win with ease. Like that there will be some challenge. I REALLY hope that Gajeel and Laxus gang will be stronger and not on the same level where Erza and Natsu will be heroes again. I wonder what Juvia and Aquarius were talking about, it is the first time I see Aquarius so friendly with a female. Lucy has two crazy/strong chick on her back now. __________________ My anime list

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AvalonCode Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Online	ROFL. Epic Troll __________________ What did U say?! I didn't think so

2011-12-03, 07:35	Link #6982
Hisoka?? Ultra noob Join Date: Dec 2004	To be honest, I think the FT members are still plenty strong. Just that they are no longer the strongest newbies, but merely one of the mature strong ones. As in before, they were strong for their age/generation. But now, they are only average or maybe weak among their generation. but their overall power level vis a vi the whole world is probably still pretty much the same. At most, they may need to learn the new methods of using magic powers but the level of magic power individuals have should remain largely the same. Unless the whole world had advanced in magic power within the 7 years. Which I feel is unlikely as this is magic and not science/technology.

2011-12-03, 09:21	Link #6984
Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	What... the... hell? Here I was all set for a training arc, and then a spirit world arc, only to find out I was trolled on both. Mashima, you are a crazy, insane man. And I can't figure out if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I do kinda hate chapters where nothing much happens, and this was one of them. Fairly boring, although the ending was amusing. My only concern is that people like Gajeel and Laxus should have gotten much stronger in the meantime, then, way stronger than Natsu's gang. Unless something happened to hold them back as well, then the power level parity has dramatically shifted. It does give Natsu's group a LOT of leeway to struggle, but it feels like it's almost too much. I would wonder if they'd get a kind of power-up in the five days since the tournament, but given the track record, I'm gonna say it's not likely. I have a feeling in the next chapter they will all be "we couldn't accomplish much in 5 days after all..." Which means odds are Natsu will get some kind of instant power-up to win stuff in the magic games. And there goes my hopes about Lucy increasing her magic and being able to summon more than 3 spirits in a row (or summon two at once).

2011-12-03, 12:52	Link #6986
Ermes Marana Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007	I approve of this chapter. I have no problem with authors trolling as long as they aren't stupid about it. We have no real evidence FT ever fell behind... and in fact it would make WAY more sense for them to still be at the top. They don't need to train! So this was good trolling. If it does turn out they needed to train, then that would be bad trolling though instead of good trolling. The only thing that did disappoint me about the chapter was once again emphasizing how Lucy's spirits can act on their own, and making it seem like she is somewhat useless. If they can come and go on their own, even taking part in the Trial on their own... what is she good for? Instead talking about how much they like her and are willing to help her, it needs to talk about how her power would increase the power of the spirits she summons.

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Hisoka?? Ultra noob Join Date: Dec 2004	I don't know how the spirits are able to get enough rest. Imagine your master summons you every week which seems to be a low estimate given how often they fight. That would mean being called every 2 hours or less (7/90 days), 24/7 365 days a year. Imagine fighting every 112 minutes. They should be in a constant state of exhaustion.

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sergel02 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	I'm kinda hoping for Lucy to pull a Jean Grey in the tournament and go all Dark Phoenix on everyone. Just don't kill her =D

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Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Except even so, some spirits get summoned several times a week. It might explain why Aquarius's so cranky, though.

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felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	Aquarius is cranky because Lucy doesn't have a boyfriend, or at least a lover. She's most likely inspired from the Zeus mythological love story. She has no problem with Juvi for example, because Juvi has a lover. Her "flooding" everything is also directly taken from greek mythology. __________________

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Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	Well, the spirit world is, quite literally, a world of magic. It would make sense for their power to replenish much faster than that of mages, even more so if time flows faster too.

2011-12-03, 18:54	Link #6997
christinemarie Crazy One Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Crimson Demon's Realm Age: 40	I believe Natsu and company are actually powered up in the process without them realizing it by staying in the Celestial World for a day. I wonder when is the time Lucy can use a high level Celestial magic that she unconsciously used due to the downloader guy during her battle with the other Celestial Wizard. I assume Lucy can summon Homaru Celestial King later on, probably needs to summon all twelve Zodiacs simultaneously (Libra and Pisces celestial gate key are not yet available they didn't even show up to welcome Lucy in Celestial World) before she can do it. So Plue is a common Celestial spirit in Celestial World.

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immblueversion Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Where you're not.	Well, it's obvious they're nowhere near as strong as they feel they should be, but they did note that they've gotten quite a bit stronger in just under two days... __________________ I'm not the boss. I just know what you should be doing.

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Etheral Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Does anyone else think the spirit food and special book will lead to massive power-ups? I think it should. I'm pretty sure no one else get's to go to the spirit world so I wouldn't mind if Mashima decided to use it as a reason for the wins. I in fact want him to, because it will sound more plausible when they win. If they lose, that would be an unexpected pleasant surprise. I think MechR is right, they probably thought she might be dead or at least unreachable from their abilities. __________________