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Xagzan · 2012-07-13, 13:13

My brain, it aches

Well, at least now we know Renton's still alive...somewhere. God knows where Eureka ended up though. Not the one from this episode, the one that disappeared when Ao was little, though maybe they're the same one...gah, this is quite confusing.

What was actually most confusing to me was, what exactly was that hologram Eureka? It wasn't like the real Eureka wasn't still there on top of the ship, so it wasn't like a departing spirit or anything.

SolarAquarion · 2012-07-13, 13:21

Fuck it. This is BONES being BONES. There is more mindfuckery in E7:Ao than RahXephon.

Daniel Lind · 2012-07-13, 13:26

It's not mindfuckery anymore, EP13 cleared out a lot of stuff. And even more stuff you can infer if you look back at early episodes.

For example, EP1.
There was THIS thing: http://i49.tinypic.com/jjwrdg.jpg
This is what happened to a Scub Coral after a secret got to it.
But GenBlue told us that Secrets blow scub corals up.
That doesn't look like an explosion aftermath.
In fact, that could probably be the "secrets aren't actually evil" notion.
GenBlue is still interested in blowing Secrets up though, why?
...Well, just think of all the technology and resources they obtain.
Not to mention the Quartz.
Christophe Blanc is the real villain.

...wow that's a lot of reaching.

Blaat · 2012-07-13, 13:51

It seems that people have trouble following timetravel aspect of the story hence calling it mind fuckery.

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Originally Posted by Xagzan

What was actually most confusing to me was, what exactly was that hologram Eureka? It wasn't like the real Eureka wasn't still there on top of the ship, so it wasn't like a departing spirit or anything.

Actually that hologram was post-pregnancy-of-Ao Eureka not still-pregnant-of-Ao Eureka.

My theory is that a part of post-pregnancy Eureka conciousness remains in Naru due to the Okinawa event.
Or to explain it in simple Gundam-related terms Eureka and Naru are newtypes.

orpheus2 · 2012-07-13, 13:53

So time travel is somewhat confirmed now. This is going to be confusing but overall it cleared up some questions yet added more.

duckroll · 2012-07-13, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Daniel Lind

That doesn't make a lot of sense...
Blue Spirit Eureka asked Ao to take her to Renton.
If she was in E7 world along with Naru, why would she need that? Renton is supposed to be there to begin with.

...Unless of course he himself is engaging in world-jumping shenanigans.

Or she's referring to the her who is currently with Ao.

Xagzan · 2012-07-13, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Blaat

It seems that people have trouble following timetravel aspect of the story hence calling it mind fuckery.
Actually that hologram was post-pregnancy-of-Ao Eureka not still-pregnant-of-Ao Eureka.

My theory is that a part of post-pregnancy Eureka conciousness remains in Naru due to the Okinawa event.
Or to explain it in simple Gundam-related terms Eureka and Naru are newtypes.

Ok, but then it didn't seem like a simple hologram, so I'm not sure if we're supposed to know yet what it was.

But still, Naru wasn't really there either, was she? She looked pretty holographic as well before morphing into Eureka.

j4c06 · 2012-07-13, 14:31

Wow, totally enjoyable episode! It helped that the omnipotent "Truth" seems to have his limits too

miketyson · 2012-07-13, 14:40

A pretty solid episode, especially the way the unknowing-mother and long-lost-son interacted. Maybe a bit off (Ao seems less put off by her not recognizing him than I think he probably should be...as if he somehow intuitively knows she's there from her own past), but full of good characterization and little moments. It's sadly rare to see this quality of interaction in this genre, and I'm glad it made it in.

In terms of world-building surprisingly little is much clearer, despite the reveals. I do get the feeling that scub quartz is probably "embryonic scub" (what the scubs were before fusing with coral), but then I wind up a bit confused about scub biology (perhaps the "coral" is mostly a defensive exoskeleton and support structure, whereas before we never got a straight answer but it seemed as though the scub-coral fusion meant the visible coral was also scub?).

The secrets are getting more interesting even though we didn't learn much concrete. I have a modified theory about them, however: I suspect there's a good chance that the force behind the secrets will be the same as the one that must've originally created the scubs, or something more like that. (Although: even in that scenario most of the secrets we're seeing may still be their unmanned interdimensional police drones).

There just seems to be some overlap there between the way trappar works vis-a-vis thoughts and the way the secrets mostly look like abstract ideas projected into reality in solid form, even if the exact overlap remains unclear.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-07-13, 15:18

In my mind, what that last Eureka was is an "astral projection".

ReddyRedWolf · 2012-07-13, 15:48

On another note Eureka mentions high levels of trapar could be bad for her baby according to her doctors.

Now indeed she may have returned to Renton after this but she has no choice but go back to AO Earth to give birth, as her baby could possibly die on E7 Earth.

Thus the time loop.

Kaioshin Sama · 2012-07-13, 15:59

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Lol, no wonder I was so lost this episode. I didn't even watch the last one, so I was going... WTF, Eureka is back? I can't even comprehend how'd I miss watching last week's episode.

As for the episode itself, what a curveball. Future Eureka goes back in time, meets these people for the first time, then in the near future would time warp back even further to give birth to Ao?

Oh, nice to see Fleur going crazy with worry. <3

That said, still wtf at Naru getting so little screen time still. Her turning into Eureka's silhouette isn't helping things either.

Yeah they better make up for it somehow. I mean can you imagine the original series if the co-lead wasn't even in it the majority of the time? I think she's going to play a big part in the truth, but yeah for being featured so prominently in the opening it is rather surprising how little a factor she's been so far.

At least we have Eureka back for now, which of course takes me back as well. I didn't remember her having that jewel embedded in her forehead in the original, but maybe it happened towards the end as she started to revert more into her Corallian form. It's been a long time since I watched the original. I wonder if Renton will factor in at all or if it'll be like a Last Exile: Fam style cameo where we find out he's crippled and can never ref again or something depressing like that. At least we'll be seeing Ao and Eureka team up to go two on one against Truth next episode, which is a fight I'm really looking forward too. About time somebody did something to slow his ass down.

sky black swordman · 2012-07-13, 18:38

Ok whats going on? Can some tell ?
And Ao meet his mom I hope we see Renton.
Here is something will he show up in the Nirvash MK III?
The one he used in episode 50 .

Master Chibi · 2012-07-13, 18:42

I'm glad this series didn't rush to get here, it makes all the good stuff that much sweeter and enjoyable.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-07-13, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Master Chibi

I'm glad this series didn't rush to get here, it makes all the good stuff that much sweeter and enjoyable.

That. You can't simply go like a locomotive for 24 eps - eventually all that firepower loses its power to impact.

aardvark · 2012-07-13, 19:30

I don't think theres any other anime that can be made that could give me the same kind of emotional and nostalgic rush I got with this episode with the re-introduction of Eureka. <3

This episode validated the entire series so far imo. The interactions between Ao and Eureka were wonderful, and that bit where she mentions Renton was amazing too lol.

MeisterBabylon · 2012-07-13, 19:54

Gurren Lagann was smashing faces every other episode.

But this is alright for AO.

Myssa Rei · 2012-07-13, 20:36

Actually, the time travel was pretty easy to follow, especially when compared to other shows. The obvious explanation (disregarding Truth's opinion on the "wrongness" of the world) is that, for Eureka, this is the first time she's been in the world of AO. She'll have to go back eventually to her time, but will then return, around 12 years earlier in the AO timeline, to give birth to Ao.

Mindfskery? Hardly.

Dark Wing · 2012-07-13, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Actually, the time travel was pretty easy to follow, especially when compared to other shows. The obvious explanation (disregarding Truth's opinion on the "wrongness" of the world) is that, for Eureka, this is the first time she's been in the world of AO. She'll have to go back eventually to her time, but will then return, around 12 years earlier in the AO timeline, to give birth to Ao.

Mindfskery? Hardly.

I don't think she'll jump back to her world and then back to AO's I think she'll just go directly back 13 years and then give birth to AO.

Daniel Lind · 2012-07-13, 23:34

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I don't think she'll jump back to her world and then back to AO's I think she'll just go directly back 13 years and then give birth to AO.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention: she says that Mark I AO is piloting resembles a mech Renton was building currently which means she'd have to fetch it somehow first.

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sky black swordman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California	Ok whats going on? Can some tell ? And Ao meet his mom I hope we see Renton. Here is something will he show up in the Nirvash MK III? The one he used in episode 50 . __________________

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Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Actually, the time travel was pretty easy to follow, especially when compared to other shows. The obvious explanation (disregarding Truth's opinion on the "wrongness" of the world) is that, for Eureka, this is the first time she's been in the world of AO. She'll have to go back eventually to her time, but will then return, around 12 years earlier in the AO timeline, to give birth to Ao. Mindfskery? Hardly. __________________

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Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	My brain, it aches Well, at least now we know Renton's still alive...somewhere. God knows where Eureka ended up though. Not the one from this episode, the one that disappeared when Ao was little, though maybe they're the same one...gah, this is quite confusing. What was actually most confusing to me was, what exactly was that hologram Eureka? It wasn't like the real Eureka wasn't still there on top of the ship, so it wasn't like a departing spirit or anything.

2012-07-13, 13:21	Link #1622
SolarAquarion Organic Mecha Join Date: May 2012 Age: 31	Fuck it. This is BONES being BONES. There is more mindfuckery in E7:Ao than RahXephon.

2012-07-13, 13:26	Link #1623
Daniel Lind ロック・オン！ Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nizhny Novgorod, Russia	It's not mindfuckery anymore, EP13 cleared out a lot of stuff. And even more stuff you can infer if you look back at early episodes. For example, EP1. There was THIS thing: http://i49.tinypic.com/jjwrdg.jpg This is what happened to a Scub Coral after a secret got to it. But GenBlue told us that Secrets blow scub corals up. That doesn't look like an explosion aftermath. In fact, that could probably be the "secrets aren't actually evil" notion. GenBlue is still interested in blowing Secrets up though, why? ...Well, just think of all the technology and resources they obtain. Not to mention the Quartz. Christophe Blanc is the real villain. ...wow that's a lot of reaching.

2012-07-13, 13:53	Link #1625
orpheus2 Pleased to Meet You Join Date: May 2012 Location: Philippines	So time travel is somewhat confirmed now. This is going to be confusing but overall it cleared up some questions yet added more.

2012-07-13, 14:31	Link #1628
j4c06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Wow, totally enjoyable episode! It helped that the omnipotent "Truth" seems to have his limits too

2012-07-13, 14:40	Link #1629
miketyson Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	A pretty solid episode, especially the way the unknowing-mother and long-lost-son interacted. Maybe a bit off (Ao seems less put off by her not recognizing him than I think he probably should be...as if he somehow intuitively knows she's there from her own past), but full of good characterization and little moments. It's sadly rare to see this quality of interaction in this genre, and I'm glad it made it in. In terms of world-building surprisingly little is much clearer, despite the reveals. I do get the feeling that scub quartz is probably "embryonic scub" (what the scubs were before fusing with coral), but then I wind up a bit confused about scub biology (perhaps the "coral" is mostly a defensive exoskeleton and support structure, whereas before we never got a straight answer but it seemed as though the scub-coral fusion meant the visible coral was also scub?). The secrets are getting more interesting even though we didn't learn much concrete. I have a modified theory about them, however: I suspect there's a good chance that the force behind the secrets will be the same as the one that must've originally created the scubs, or something more like that. (Although: even in that scenario most of the secrets we're seeing may still be their unmanned interdimensional police drones). There just seems to be some overlap there between the way trappar works vis-a-vis thoughts and the way the secrets mostly look like abstract ideas projected into reality in solid form, even if the exact overlap remains unclear.

2012-07-13, 15:48	Link #1631
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	On another note Eureka mentions high levels of trapar could be bad for her baby according to her doctors. Now indeed she may have returned to Renton after this but she has no choice but go back to AO Earth to give birth, as her baby could possibly die on E7 Earth. Thus the time loop.

2012-07-13, 19:30	Link #1636
aardvark Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: United States Age: 39	I don't think theres any other anime that can be made that could give me the same kind of emotional and nostalgic rush I got with this episode with the re-introduction of Eureka. <3 This episode validated the entire series so far imo. The interactions between Ao and Eureka were wonderful, and that bit where she mentions Renton was amazing too lol.