2013-02-13, 18:51 | Link #1401 | |
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What I find bad practice, however, is if the author still attempts to stick to the original storyline even though it is clear that the slight detour had unintentionally changed the entire flow of the story. Authors are often a stubborn lot, and I dislike the practice of forcing the story back to its original route instead of letting it flow accordingly. Ichigo 100% is one of the few stories I know of where the mangaka allowed the story to take its course after it started to deviate from her original intentions. |
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2013-02-14, 08:09 | Link #1404 | |
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2013-02-14, 08:33 | Link #1405 | |
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2013-02-14, 08:57 | Link #1406 | |
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Yozora's 'reveals' does not come from her actions, but from other character's observations - mostly Kodaka and sometimes Rika. In a way Yozora's almost like a pet project of the author - eg character's will comment about Yozora when she's not even around (where the comment comes out of the blue) You are confusing 'development' in terms of actions with development as a form of character building - whether it comes directly from a character's action, or from an observer's point of view (mind you, observers can be mistaken, too) Let's put it this way, if you think Sena has 'developed' in the sense got less narcissistic, it's only because she's treating Kodaka better and you are viewing her character from Kodaka's perspective. But at the same time, are you judging Yozora based on her actions against Kodaka? She likes to tease Kodaka but can hardly be considered manipulative. No one has developed in the sense their 'flaw's become less prominent. Instead, characters get developed as their 'good qualities' get further reinforced. In that regard, Yozora is somewhat more dynamic (or ambiguous), whereas Sena has mostly been fleshed out. There's strong hints that story will either go Yozora way or harem way - in itself not necessarily a good thing as it get predictable. It's like in a typical mystery novel, the character that just so conveniently appears like the culprit, is almost always not. Or the story would ended right there. Same with a romantic comedy with the expected twists and turns, structurally speaking, Sena's the stimulant, but probably not the goal. |
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2013-02-14, 18:26 | Link #1407 | |
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2013-02-14, 18:41 | Link #1408 |
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If we're going to construe characters as being "dynamic" in the sense that they're "ambiguous", then that in my opinion is the complete opposite of the way that the word was being used previously. The discussion was about the Sena-bashing as a static character precisely in the sense that she had not been developed, or at least not developed well, as opposed to whether or not her character has been fleshed out. And even if Yozora's supposed development is more subtle than Sena's, why should it imply that Sena is a more static character?
I agree that Yozora is the most likely candidate for the end girl at this point. All the clues and tropes are going in her favour, even things as simple as her being the only girl on the cover of the first volume. The Chinese LN forums are pointing out similar tropes, such as whether the first girl to confess is most likely going to lose. Ironically, this is exactly what Xzotic is complaining about - "Pairing up 2 characters in a series as popular as Haganai/Boku Wa Tomodachi just because it was pre-determined is completely and utterly retarded." |
2013-02-16, 10:05 | Link #1410 |
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Yozora is a little complicated for me, but my opinion about her character is that she's dangling the line between a friend who loves to tease and a bully, considering how she detests being compared to the latter implies that she had bad past experiences with that group, which subsequently makes her unable to open up to anyone.
What makes her complicated for me is the way her character was brought up and the implications already made in the light novels. I think of her as a person who tried to make friends, but either from bad decisions or just plain bad luck kept her from attaining any throughout the period between losing and reuniting with her best and only childhood friend, Kodaka. It's plain to see that things almost never go her way, what with (love) rivals competing for Kodaka's attention and all. I'm already suspecting that whatever comeback plan Yozora has in store in Volume 9 will end in disaster as well. But then again, this might also be the volume wherein her luck takes a turn for the better and she makes progress somehow. With that said, Yozora still isn't outdone by the others just yet. But I'm still rooting for Sena. |
2013-02-17, 02:52 | Link #1411 | |
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sena- arranged marriage, has had probably the most pairing related development by far(double edged sword), coolest character for a dad, probably the most popular girl in the series with the fans and is actively pursuing a relationship with kodaka. yozora- all the cookie cutter stereotypes for winning, forced pity development, has been actively pursuing kodaka since the absolute beginning and has the least amount of background info on her. which leads me to believe the author is saving that til the end so yozoraxkodaka doesn't feel as forced. rika- kodaka finds her in his "strike zone", rika understands kodaka the most and out of all the girls was willing to friend zone herself just for him which for some reason, in the back of my mind, i want this to have a toradora! like ending with rikaxkodaka |
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2013-02-17, 04:06 | Link #1412 |
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Without a doubt, Volume 9 is the crucial point in the story that will most likely determine who wins in the end, if anyone. It could serve as a turning point or the nail in the coffin, but the title strongly hints that it will be the former.
Another important factor would be how much of the story is left, because the longer it goes, the more it favours the characters that have more room to develop. Overall, as much as I hate to say it, all of these are pointing to a Yozora end. |
2013-02-17, 08:45 | Link #1413 | |
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2013-02-17, 08:50 | Link #1414 | |
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If that's the case, then hopefully the series takes so long to pan out that I'd have moved on to other stuff by then and stopped caring whether Sena wins or loses |
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2013-02-17, 09:12 | Link #1416 |
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errr...that's typical with LNs. They can face the chop any time so..
End each volume with a cliffhanger Proceed with some twist to nullify the aforementioned cliffhanger Milk as much as possible (especially for an author's first real commercial success) Not to say the above cannot be done with a bit of class of course. |
2013-02-17, 12:57 | Link #1417 | |
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"It's not good to judge something based on how it looks. If you are going to reject it, do so after you've seen what's inside. Judging things based on looks alone... that's just cruel!" - Kodaka (2nd episode of Haganai Next). After 6 months he actually really can tell what's "inside" the girls, don't you think...? He knows what he can expect if he starts a relationship with one of the girls. |
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2013-02-17, 15:15 | Link #1419 | ||
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If Kodaka was to go out with Sena then while Yozora will probably hit rock bottom at first. Depending on the actions of Kodaka and the other she could recement the friendship she used to have with Kodaka, the friendship she so desired to have back, and possibly open herself more to the friendship of the others. Quote:
Here's how I see things going: -Kodaka decides to go out with Sena. -Yozora finds out and is crushed. she felt like she lost her only friend. -Yozora starts distancing herself from the others and the club. Maybe even possibly stops coming to school. -Kodaka tries talking to her but it doesn't help. -Eventually Kodaka and the other girls pull Yozora out of her shell. -Yozora ends up realizing that more than just Kodaka, she had many more friends who cared about her. This way while Sena may get the guy, Yozora truly changes for the better.
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