Lucky Star (Generic Discussion thread)

[WanderingKnight]

Now I'm not sure I should be paying this much attention to something so trivial

I personally believe that this is the key out of your hot-blooded rushes against the fandom. Everything you talk about has to do with bashing the popularity of certain shows/animation studios/seiyuu you don't like. But popularity is, actually, a trivial matter. Why should you care, as long as you may turn back and go watch whatever else pleases you? If I had to complain for the popularity shounen series devoid of any content whatsoever, like Naruto or Bleach, get, then I would have to shoot myself in the head to avoid a painful heart attack death.

PS: Then again, I enjoy making fun of whatever series displeases me, but not in the face of that series' fandom, at the risk of being treated as a troll/flamebaiter and getting myself worked up for no reason at all.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by WanderingKnight

I personally believe that this is the key out of your hot-blooded rushes against the fandom. Everything you talk about has to do with bashing the popularity of certain shows/animation studios/seiyuu you don't like. But popularity is, actually, a trivial matter. Why should you care, as long as you may turn back and go watch whatever else pleases you? If I had to complain for the popularity shounen series devoid of any content whatsoever, like Naruto or Bleach, get, then I would have to shoot myself in the head to avoid a painful heart attack death.

Merely curiousity, but now that I've gotten to the bottom of a number of things I'm bored of it, I now know how the game is played and well, it's just kind of silly like you say.

Either way, I guess this is an uncomfortable topic of discussion and people feel I'm doing a rant on the fanbase, but I'm really not, I haven't been for a long time. It's going to take some effort to prove this, but by god I will.

Anyway, I thought it would be a point of interest that people may want to look at (An inverse correlation is intriguing to somebody who likes looking at statistics, but maybe not to others), but it probably isn't worth considering after all. No worries.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Kaioshin... you should read the webcomic Megatokyo. It is full of hyper-conspiracies involving the "system" and "fanboys" (and its full of comedy, romance, satire, homage, pathos, silliness, random whatever, and a robot girl).

In regard to ANN, I have found them particularly *uninformative* when it comes to their reviews and ratings and whether I'd like a series or not.

It's also notorious in particular for the huge like/dislike schism that formed out of its storyline fashion, which is, I guess, weirdly relevant to Lucky Star . Personally I like the comic, but I hate all the discussion and crazy fanboyism that stems around it.

[Samatarou]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

I've been following the anime's standings on ANN ... the series debuted at 500

Where are these rankings? I've only seen top 50 lists at ANN.

I've noticed that the change in rankings seem to be the inverse of how popular an episode was.

How do you know the people rating the series have reached the same ep. as you? Unless the rankings are tagged somehow by episode number, many people who are rating it may still be at an earlier episode. Right now torrent stats suggest 25% of viewers haven't started to download ep.6 yet (assuming same final audience size as ep.5 which is of course a big assumption). Also the figures show a steady stream of people still fetching eps.1-5.

Finally, rankings are relative so you need to look at what other series are coming out and whether they just had a very good or bad episode.

[Nemo_N]

I was running an image search (ゴルフ フィギュア ), looking for one of Konata's figurines (on the top of her PC), and I think I found it (Figure at HobbyStock):

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The colors dont match, of course (there are two versions, but the other one doesn't match either), but the pose is the same, and the golf club is a dead giveaway. Maybe there is another version out there, or they messed with the colors.

This makes me think that the other figure does in fact exist (but maybe the colors are off?). Sadly, the pose is very generic, so it's difficult for me to pin point it (the one I found was very recognizable because of the golf club).

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Nemo_N

I was running an image search (ゴルフ フィギュア ), looking for one of Konata's figurines (on the top of her PC), and I think I found one at HobbyStock:

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The colors dont match, of course (there are two versions, but the other one doesn't match either), but the pose is the same, and the golf club is a dead giveaway. Maybe there is another version out there, or they messed with the colors.

This makes me think that the other figure does in fact exist (but maybe the colors are off?). Sadly, the pose is very generic, so it's difficult for me to pin point (the one I found was very recognizable because of the golf club).

There's multiple colour versions of Kooh, the general loli powerhouse golfer of the Pangya series. It's a Korean online PC game that was good enough to earn a North American Wii release, that Tecmo apparently botched the difficult on. I'm not sure of it's popularity in Japan, but there is a good chance the figurine on Konata's desk is a knock off of a Pangya one (It can't be identical or it constitutes a breach of Copyright law of course). Note not only the difference in colour, but the fact that the actualy figurine of Kooh has the club postioned at an approximate 45 degree angle, while the one on Konata's desk has the golf club held at a perfect 90 degree angle (or if we want to get technical, 0 degree angle)

[Nemo_N]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

(It can't be identical or it constitutes a breach of Copyright law of course).

Gah, yeah, I forgot about the law . They probably wanted to play it safe since it's Korean as you say.

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by Nemo_N

Gah, yeah, I forgot about the law . They probably wanted to play it safe since it's Korean as you say.

I can't remember them exactly, but I'm pretty certain Rakisuta has been doing a lot of copyright-dodging throughout its six episodes so far. Most obvious of which, at least to me, would be the BGM they used for the Initial D parody; it started off almost exactly like M.O.V.E.'s Noizy Tribe (the second OP of Initial D Stage 4: Project D, for that matter), but then quickly became its own song altogether, although clearly inspired by M.O.V.E.'s style. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that that BGM is actually an Aaya original.

[Vexx]

I guess I thought it was obvious it was Kooh (worship the Kooh) from Pangya (or the Wii port of the game) and didn't require pointing out

Much fun playing the game on the Wii (despite some "bugs" at the harder levels). I keep hoping that they experiment with expansions downloaded via the Web connection of the Wii (ah well... I suppose I could Pangya again).

[Nemo_N]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

I can't remember them exactly, but I'm pretty certain Rakisuta has been doing a lot of copyright-dodging throughout its six episodes so far.

I was thinking more like, since it is a korean trademark, they might not be as relaxed as the japanese are (at least most of the time).

Originally Posted by Vexx

I guess I thought it was obvious it was Kooh (worship the Kooh) from Pangya (or the Wii port of the game) and didn't require pointing out

Argh. Well, at least it wasn't a very long, difficult search. .

[chrno]

Ok, I'm having a hard time getting through this show. Of course the sad thing was the group that subbed it. I don't know who they were but their name wasn't listed as I saw the show on 'VEOH'. But again as much as I love 'Azumanga Daioh', I'm having a hard time with this show. But I'll admit it is very moe-moe. And the damn OP is addictive. But I'm still checking it out here and there. Maybe something will grab me.

[Risaa]

L*S isn't for everyone - I liked it right away with the first episode, but it seems for others it was a bit of an aquired taste that got better and better with each episode... and there are always those who flat-out disliked it and dropped it. L*S also has a lot more references in it than AzuDai ever did, which may be why it's giving you a little trouble getting through.

If you dislike the subbers, why not try a different group? A nice thing about L*S is that there are a few different groups doing it.

[ZippyDSM]

LS is a litely random "slice of life" anime,at first I thought it would be more parody but its a fun show and I love "out of character" Akria.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Speaking of hatred...http://terminal71.com/blog/index.php...=1&disp=single

Okay while technically what he's saying appeared to be true for a while it really isnt anymore (I made a post about this there, but it isn't up yet). There are still other good shows of varying genre's this season despite the apparent push for moe, and they are getting their kudos and what not, and you know the people watching Lucky Star aren't all zombies (maybe some of the stranger ones) and it's just meant to be fun. It's funny because all those shows he's posted are as popular and highly regarded as LS right now if not moreso.

You know what this is, it's like I'm staring at an image of my past self in this blog post, and I'm here to comment and reflect on things.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

Speaking of hatred...http://terminal71.com/blog/index.php...=1&disp=single

Okay while technically what he's saying appeared to be true for a while it really isnt anymore (I made a post about this there, but it isn't up yet). There are still other good shows of varying genre's this season despite the apparent push for moe, and they are getting their kudos and what not, and you know the people watching Lucky Star aren't all zombies (maybe some of the stranger ones) and it's just meant to be fun. It's funny because all those shows he's posted are as popular and highly regarded as LS right now if not moreso.

You know what this is, it's like I'm staring at an image of my past self in this blog post, and I'm here to comment and reflect on things.

Nah, you're not that bad. If I may use an analogy, you are the door-to-door Jehovah Witness, while that blogger you linked to is a Television Evangelist.

The fatal mistake he made was assuming that everybody who enjoys Lucky Star thinks the same. Once a person starts generalising, his credibility starts to fall apart.

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by Skane

Nah, you're not that bad. If I may use an analogy, you are the door-to-door Jehovah Witness, while that blogger you linked to is a Television Evangelist.

The fatal mistake he made was assuming that everybody who enjoys Lucky Star thinks the same. Once a person starts generalising, his credibility starts to fall apart.

Cheers.

Honestly, I've got to say, I'm glad Lucky Star exists, because it's the perfect time for it to exist (With a mix of genres this season, both in terms of the types of shows airing and within the confines of some of those shows themselves) and it's the perfect show to calm some of the tensions that exist between different groups of anime fans with its everything or nothing, in your face yet subtle approach. It stands somewhere in the middle, the perfect olive branch/bridge series that everybody can get interested in if they are willing to try.

The type of series that will have the Kyoto Animation/Moe Hater's saying "Hey they aren't so bad, they even make fun of themselves and moe fans" and the Kyoto Animation/Moe Fans saying "Hey, they aren't so great, they just do what the fan's want, they don't have the high moral standards I thought they did, but they have a fun series here". The other series airing this season can then take care of the mirror side of the equation. For things to work though, everybody and every show needs to do their part. It can't be done by any One person, Bloc, or Studio alone.

Then these two groups can finally come together in the space between the two extremes and my dream will finally be realized. I hope it happens and I cross my fingers. We're staring directly at the gate's of a second golden age of anime for both the medium and the fandom, if only people are willing to turn the handle and open the door.

[arkon]

Wow. I have to say I'm sorry I ever followed that link. I didn't check to see if the bloggers previous comments were similar but it seemed like a cheap way of getting comments. Won't be returning to that site in a hurry.

[DragoonKain3]

I Rotfl @ that link.

Spoiler for no spoilers, just OT:

1. LS who? Shounen shows > all in popularity. One Piece, Bleach and all the other shows are known to a lot of anime fans. And in the end, Naruto is still king.

2. LS who again? I'm pretty sure that the most popular series of this season would be StrikerS. Sure it has moe (then again, which anime doesn't have at least some?), but from what I get of the fans of that series, it's really 'badass'.

3. 'Moe-focused anime existed, it was fun to watch, but once people got serious they always ignored it and focused on more Serious anime, Badass and serious storyes where respected' Yes yes, everyone watches anime for the same reason and the same way you do. XD

4. 'Then Kyoto animation came. and everything just went to shit.' Here he implies that KyoAni is responsible for the moe craze? ROTFLMAO. Stop it, it hurts to laugh anymore. I'm pretty sure, if it's anything, it's either Love Hina or To Heart that's responsible for the 'popularity' of moe focused shows.

5. 3 Moe series for every badass anime? Uhh, I dunno about that. Let's see, this season alone. 'Moe-focused' shows (8): Hayate, Seto no Hanayome, Touka Gettan, Kono Aozora, Nagarasete Airantou, Kamichama Karin, Lucky Star, Sola.

Badass, judging by the shows he considered badass, aka mecha, guns (I'll consider this as ANY weapon, since Seirei no Moribito does not have any guns IIRC), and/or 'philosophical' stories (16): Gurren Lagan, Heroic Age, StrikerS, El Cazador, Idol Master, Claymore, Kiss Dum, Gigantic Formula, Koutetsushin Jeeg (yes, its subbed), RomeoXJuliet, Koutetsu Sangokushi, Darker than Black, Seirei no Moribito, Shining Tears X Wind, Terra e, Bokurano, Kaibutsu Oujo.

Badass to Moe is 2:1 lol!

And in the last half of his 'review', with it just ranting how people can like Lucky Star, all it did was prove one thing: he's just another person who can't grasp the idea that (gasp!) people have varying tastes.

I think I'll leave LS in my best or second best anime of the season list JUST because of that post. Even though I agree Darker than Black is better than LS. ^^;

*giggle* Oh God, what a riot that link was. XD

[Vexx]

He sounds... very young. Of the "big guns, explosions" kind of immature ... that's just so pathetic, I can't decide if he needs a hug or a thump on the head.


((wow, considering me tearing into a recent poster in another thread - that's downright diplomatic ... and I'm sorry I gave terminal71 a hit by looking))

[Furudanuki]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

Speaking of hatred...http://terminal71.com/blog/index.php...=1&disp=single
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You know what this is, it's like I'm staring at an image of my past self in this blog post, and I'm here to comment and reflect on things.

Kaoshin Sama - No, I don't think that you and the author that blog entry are cut from the same bolt of cloth at all. I may sometimes get the impression that you are acting as a spirit-medium for either Don Quixote or Marvin the Depressed Android, but I have never once felt that you could be classified as a mouth-breathing semi-literate juvenile. It is possible to have wide differences of opinion about a great many things and still engage in a civil discourse. An ability which, unlike youself, I doubt the blog "writer" possesses in any measure.

Regarding the blog entry itself...

"Anime fans are turning into retards". Hmmmm, judging from the content of that "article" I would have to conclude that the author's conversion process has succeeded entirely too well, though he does still claim to enjoy "Philosophic storyes [sic]". The fact that my taste in entertainment varies greatly from someone who has difficulty composing a sentence fragment without including at least one misspelled profanity gives me a warm comforting glow that will stay with me for the rest of the day. If this is an example of the thought processes engendered by watching "badass" anime then I shall have to seriously consider dropping any shows of that nature I am currently following in order to avoid contamination. I passed through adolescence a long time ago. I have grown beyond the point where everything I watch must include fights, explosions, or a car chase in order to be considered worthwhile. And I don't harbor a secret fear that enjoying the presence of femininity in anything other than the crudest sexual context will sap my manly vigor and give me cooties as well.

P.S. to everyone - Wow, longest rant from me in a while. Sorry I haven't had much presence on AS of late. I'm undergoing treatment for damaged disc in my neck which puts pressure on a nerve leading to my left arm. Lots of fun - sort of like having carpal tunnel from the shoulder down to the fingertips - and not very compatible with long keyboard sessions. Plus the drugs I sometimes have to take are not designed with coherent writing ability in mind. But my doctor has finally convinced the health insurance company to let her do an MRI, so hopefully they can pinpoint the problem and fix it before too much more time goes by.