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It's fine that you have your own opinion. Wisteria disagreed by proposing something backed with logic. Now it's up to you to counter those, Otherwise it leaves your arguments full of holes and baseless. Last edited by Foreshadow; 2010-09-25 at 00:07. |
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2010-09-25, 00:03 | Link #682 |
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And it covered 2 pages of forums posts in less than 12 hours I think I'll just stay out of it, given that I've forgotten all the details you're all debating anyway, but on the novelisation...
According to the author's note by novel writer Kodachi Ukyou at the end of volume 4 of the light novel series. (Why I am reading an atogaki before I've read the actual novels, I don't know...) Spoiler for summary, for those who want to know:
Maybe that was the whole point? Kawamori-sensei certainly seemed to enjoy the consternation caused when he answered related questions on the radio show...
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2010-09-25, 00:19 | Link #683 | ||
Alto x Ranka :)
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As for the topic at hand, it's just like the ending of the TV series. Alto never actually made a decision about his feelings towards Sheryl and Ranka respectively. Now we can make assumptions about who he "loved more" so-to-speak but neither side can claim it with absolute certainty. Now the scene in the TV series is as controversial as it gets considering we don't even see them kiss although one can assume that's exactly what he did if we take Alto's actions prior to the camera moving away into account. But I wouldn't take it as far as saying that they had sex precisely because of the predicament Sheryl was in. She's sick and dying. She just woke up from feinting for god knows how long. If I were Alto, sleeping with her would be the last thing on my mind. I'd be more worried about taking care of her and staying by her side until the end which is exactly what he wanted to do for her sake. Quote:
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2010-09-25, 00:22 | Link #684 | |
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Again timing, not everyone can think logically when they are in an emotional situation. And if they were just kissing then why bother to pan up to the sky? |
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2010-09-25, 00:36 | Link #685 | |
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I'm a male and putting myself in Alto's position while taking his personality into account, I just don't see him as a someone that would sleep with someone sick and dying. Sheryl also just moments before woke up from feinting. That really isn't the time for something like that. The panning is used to describe how feelings can travel across time and space. I believe Kawamori mentioned it in an episode comment. Ranka who can feel fold waves was probably connected to Sheryl somehow and could probably feel what she was feeling. Happiness yet the feeling of an aching heart.
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2010-09-25, 00:41 | Link #686 |
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Debate againnnn!!!
I think the truth is, Alto and Sheryl did do it. Based on the TV series, like Foreshadow had mentioned, the light novel has nothing to do with this.
Evidences: 1. Sheryl wanted Alto to give her the strength to move on. (What strength? Yeah, must be that.) 2. Alto complied after seeing Sheryl's state. He kissed her! (Of course he had to do that next. All the way.) 3. Alto's jacket was on his shoulders after that scene, evidence that he took it off. 4. Alto felt obligated to stay in Frontier, said he'll come back to Sheryl once he kills Ranka and Sheryl had to say "let's end this lovers game". Lovers game! What do lovers do? Yeah, that. It's plain as day guys. Alto and Sheryl had sex in ep 22, there can't be anything else. Why would there be? It's hard to argue against explicit facts. V-type infection is an imaginary disease, speculating what it is and what it's not is just a waste of time. If Kawamori says it's a virus that can turn people into gods, then it IS a virus that can turn people into gods. There are no limits when it comes to FICTION. It just sucks even if Sheryl and Alto had sex, they still didn't get together fufufu |
2010-09-25, 00:51 | Link #687 | |
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Back on topic: You can't always use your opinion and views in order to decide how other people will react to a situation. Whether you want to take it into account or not sex is an very intimate act. And while two people can certainly have sex with no feelings involved (though that is hard to maintain), the opposite can be (and often times is) very true. If sex wasn't so intimate then people wouldn't put such emphasis on it. Where did you read that? Never read anything about that before? and even then you could say that the reason why Sheryl had a aching heart was because her life was ending and she knew it. @Mei19 Funny you say that because the only indication we get the love triangle restarting is Ranka's challenging Sheryl, we never get Alto's input in the entire episode - so I could easily say that poor Ranka's in over her head. |
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2010-09-25, 01:05 | Link #688 | |
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You could say that Sheryl's heart was aching because her life was ending, but then why did she refer to Alto's feelings as "condescending sympathy" the very next episode? I commend Sheryl for this because she values Alto's feelings more than her life, I'm sure we can agree on that. All signs point more towards Sheryl being concerned more with Alto's feelings rather than her current dilemma.
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2010-09-25, 01:17 | Link #690 | |
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edit: Spoiler for nvm then...though I'll just leave this here so that the later comments make sense...:
Can't we all just accept that it actually IS a gray area? (Although I personally lean more to one side myself.)
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2010-09-25, 01:23 | Link #691 | ||
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Never mind then I guess it was someone else That's how I've felt from the beginning, it's a gray area although I lean to the other side
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2010-09-25, 01:40 | Link #692 | |
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Well it that was because she misinterpreted the conversation she overheard him have with Klan Klan, and so she believed that she was setting him free, to which he seemed to have a problem with. |
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2010-09-25, 02:06 | Link #693 | |
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Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I'll just end up repeating myself in different ways Although I disagree with you on this, that's not the point. My point was validating the reason Sheryl's heart was aching. I pointed out the fact that Sheryl doesn't even mention her life but rather Alto's feelings.
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So, basically, you are using one unfounded assumption to try to deny another much better founded one. Quote:
Wait, Mei on the side of the Sheryl shippers? What has the world come to? Welcome on the light side. Or at least on the pink-blonde one. @karice : Many thanks for clearing that up! So Kawamori did sign off on the novels. Take that, doubters! Any chance you want to fan-translate the novels for us poor shlubs without Japanese speaking or reading skills?
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The first time Alto would have slept with her would have been when he found out what she was hiding from him, and at that time the only thing he knew was that she was prone to fainting spells, so he wouldn't have time to consider the severity of the disease. So like I said before they may have been caught up in the moment. Quote:
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2010-09-25, 14:20 | Link #698 | |
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And thanks very much for your clarification on the novel issue
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2010-09-25, 16:35 | Link #699 |
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When hormones are raging, when life and death situations are all around, when two young teenagers are in the right environment for it... Common sense is thrown out the window. What you might not have done hours ago, suddenly just happens.
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They don't do sex because 1. Sheryl still wearing her kimono right.. And clean. 2. She's too weak to have sex... 3. After the scene It still midnight...if they do have sex... Then alto is a fast shooter! 4. Alto still wear his pants right... With shoes and still have stamina to chit chat on the phone 5. If I were him.. Sheryl & I will be naked...until morning... 6. Alto don't have the guts... He is too pasive 7. The room and kimono is from alto's mom... Because of that... Alto's not In mood Last edited by moncikoma; 2010-09-25 at 17:39. |
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