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Take this situation, the TSAB puts up the resources to adjust 1,000 fetuses, but only 600 of the resulting children are willing to become Combat Cyborgs. That means 40% of the resources have been wasted. You might be tempted to compare this to training, but that would be wrong. In any training and screening system, it is expected that a percentage of the candidates will not meet expectations. But when you're actively adjusting the candidates, you know you can reach the point where 100% of the candidates are acceptable, if only they wouldn't refuse to continue with the program... Quote:
Then you talk about indoctrination, training and morale. Those can be applied to non-adjusted recruits too. Properly done, that can lead to a small mage army that is more effective than a larger Combat Cyborg army. |
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BBM: Depends on what's involved in the alteration of the fetus. People don't like to think of themselves as animals to be husbanded, but they want what's best for their kids.
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Nanoha StrikerS simply leave too much questions out in the open, leaving so many posters here making assumptions. The entire situation has become rather, a theoretical exercise instead of a sound assessment of TSAB.
I am not denying any of the points raised here, but... we don't even know whether or not if TSAB is basically a sole military superpower that plays a political role or that it is a military that exists under a governing body. There is no mentioning of whether or not if TSAB is a 'true' democratic armed forces, despite how that its apparent existence is to safeguard the citizens of the member worlds of TSAB. With even purpose being an uncertainty, everything here becomes mere assumptions to the organization's behavior and any suggestion to better manage it a mere exercise. Leaving that aside, there exists a question of whether or not if one can consider a flat, horizontal management model for military... conventional military has always been a pyramid, where the authority stems from top to bottom. However, with more and more company and field officers being professional and wanting to be empowered, and work under the modern corporate management model of empowered workteam, flexible deployment, work schedule, and job rotation, making the military becoming close to its corporate counterpart if they have their way. Edit 1: A real-life case where a defense force is reeling from the corporate lures for talent would be the Japanese SDF. The bureaucracy that ran it finds itself being constantly outpaced by the civilian sector, and to make matters worse, given that its members maintain civilian status within their tenure, the organization can't retain people. I suppose the issue of a 'competitive military' not in the terms of its combat modifier, but in terms of its organizational vigor is what one needs to evaluate.
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I think that the offspring of TSAB mages have a higher chance of being born with more potential and are more likely to join the TSAB. In the long run such a program can really pay off. Quote:
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And again we run into the different nature of the modern military versus the Midchildan military.
One of the major elements of the Mid military has to be absorption of mages into hierarchical command. It's not designed to weed out the unsuitable, but to keep them IN (as opposed to out on the street causing trouble, blowing up inconvenient streets/cities/planets/dimensions.) Strong mages get officer treatment because, in the end, Mid can't afford to wash them out. Not only are they short on competent personnel, but every ex-mil or never-mil mage is a threat to some degree or other. Putting Joe AA Blow into a unit in which he becomes a useless fop is infinitely superior to having Joe out there creating his own little army, brainwashing and molesting women freely, finding undiscovered planets and enslaving the primitive population... you get the idea, huh? Our military can sacrifice individual careers for combat efficiency. Mid has a much nastier trade-off decision to make. Take Hayate, who by US standards is a pretty crummy Lt. Colonel. Should she be retired? If it was a US unit, sure. But for Mid, retiring Hayate is equivalent to decommissioning a capital ship... and giving it to its old captain and pissing him off to boot! Of course they're willing to take a lot more crap from their personnel. As far as the ethics of the situation go, remember that the US considered area bombing of cities and unrestricted submarine warfare to be barbaric as late as WWI; yet twenty-five years later we were doing it harder than anybody had ever done it before in WWII. (Yes, you can envision a Mooninite middle finger there if you like.) Sometimes a distasteful tactic is just so darned effective that you pick it up too. |
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Any reasonable theory should both reflect the evidence and be falsifiable. Contradictory evidence must be taken into account. If a different theory or a simpler theory does a better job of explaining all of the available evidence then your theory probably should be tossed out altogether. With sufficient evidence and testing of predictions, if you haven't done anything wrong, you should end up with a workable model. Further evidence and predictions will refine the rough model. The more accurate the model you end up with, the more accurate will be your predictions. This will give you probabilities rather than assumptions. Quote:
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2) That suggests a problem with the creator, who is influenced by Factor 1 in addition to all the other factors, not the technology or concept. The Lifetime Military Service part can be scrapped. Quote:
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I think you are also underestimating the flexibility of the average Inherent Skill drive, even in its current generation. It has been rather consistently demonstrated that while the drive is optimized for the Inherent Skill, most have enough flexibility for some secondaries. All the flying Numbers' IS-drive, for example, clearly support Flight as an extra to their main IS. Tre and Sette could make energy balls. Cinque could shield as well as use Rumble Detonator. Novu clearly has a variety in his IS, from small shooting balls to kicking to Aerial Rave. Otto managed to quickly break free of Shamal's bind the hard way (though he was trapped in the end). Wendi's IS (most likely to be standardized for Midchildran combat doctrine) is a highly flexible thing that covers the entire shooting range - if they can work in Flight using her Body instead of the Surfboard she nearly has the complete basic set. Heck, according to Subaru, you can just do your regular magical attack using the IS-drive with no correction, so that means, just by installing a generic IS-drive, non-mages can not only use the IS (and the secondaries), but be able to learn and execute magic to some extent. Talk about an Equalizer! I'm holding out hope for next-generation ISes as well... The whole point of this exercise is not only to turn the non-mages, but also the wimp mages, which between them make up over 90% of the population, into something at least semi-competitive. Quote:
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I think the only thing the TSBA could do about AAA level mages and above would be put them behind a desk pushing paper and signing forms. Keeps them out of the way until you need them to blow up a planet.
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There is so much ignorance and bias in this post, I'm not even sure where to start. Anyway... put it this way. Any half-decent air mage with good aerial dog-fighting and melee skills can best Hayate one-on-one. Even A-ranks can beat Hayate. An AA rank old woman once bested 9 year old AAA rank Fate and Nanoha together at the same time. Regius clearly made it canon that TSAB has more than one SS rank mage, even if none in Ground Forces. Hayate, Fate and Nanoha combined don't even have the destructive power to flatten a city. Nanohaverse is much bigger than the what the anime shows us.
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Instead, it opens up the nasty possibility regarding the 2nd. Before, the canon position is that the Ranks are almost positive indicators of combat coefficient, so at least you can be assured that if the other SS can be called, he'd be at least an even match. Now we don't. For all we know, Nanoha and Fate have the real combat coefficient to whip the others, considering how unpracticed they are. I mean, it is only like those crack HQ SS and S mages just show up instantly whenever trouble appears, such as when their capital is in mortal danger. Wait ... that didn't happen... In fact, I wonder whether the real truth is that all the S and SS in HQ had been dead or combat ineffective for the previous decade, and they've been quietly burying this fact while the High Council tries to whip up some Artificial Mages and Sentoukijin to fill that spot... |
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Besides, Xellos was using comparison with their AAA-rank one, so I used a similar one. Heck, for all we know, any one of the 3 Legendary Admirals can whip the Aces down, considering that they were implied to be the most gold of the golden generations and the most experienced as well. Quote:
But even then, the High Council hid things from him, so... I mean, looking at how pissed off Regius is, it's like for every Zest in GF, there is another 10 for the Navy/HQ. Well, I don't see them. Then again, maybe they were comfortably stationed, one to 2 SS-rank each in those fleet of XV class ships...
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But explain how it is not? Just because someone doesn't take the exam for a higher level, or doesn't practice the moves required for that higher level (I stil don't know the higher-tier tai-gu's) doesn't mean they can't win against someone who simply has more experience. |
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