Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by bloodyclaws

It was stated that mayas night bypasses all data and fortification interferences of magic. Thus nullifying his phalanx. There is a little discussion going on in terms of restoration speed against her light magic.

It was stated in their fight that when she activated night, everything went pitch black and a point of light remained. Then a "stench of blood" loomed in the area before her magic got decomposed. That is not a secondary effect, but the result caused by her magic hitting tats. As nothing can interfere with light even at the spiritual level, then that means tats got hit with her attack. This would mean his restoration was fast enough to restore him and allowed him to keep conscious to decompose her magic.

BUT, it was slow enough to cause bleeding before his restoration caught up.

[SoloPanda]

I'm kinda under the impression that a strategic class mage is only as powerful as his equipement. for instance they need specialized equipment to fully use the power they have. It seems whenever I've seen them fight in situation where neither mage is using the specialized equipment they fight at the standard combat level or so. I'd guess that Tatsuya with the silver horn and Misaki with the crimson cad would fight at a pretty even level (one would be turned to atoms or worse). With specialized equipment tatsuya could obviously turn anyone to dust from super far away but does it say anywhere how his CAD effects his normal combat ability?

[yuzen003]

Just speculation but if Night accumulates all light to hit a single target it may not be really effective against crowds or large scale targets. It would explain why Maya is not a strategic class mage, she's nigh unbeatable in a one on one fight (except against Tatsuya) but would lose to an attack on multiple fronts. Masaki would lose to her in a dual but since Rupture can eliminate multiple targets he might be considered "more powerful" if the question was based on a battlefield situation rather then just who could beat who.

[blackwhite67]

CAD is magic specific equipment. It doesn't augment regular combat ability and those CADs you mentioned are just custom CADs made specially for their abilities. Everyone uses a CAD.

[setsuna86]

I had a question: in the confrontation Tatsuya vs maya, who were bleeding at the end of the battle?

[bloodyclaws]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

BUT, it was slow enough to cause bledding before his restoration caught up.

True, and against masaki kichijouji, his explosion magic that released energies moving at speeds at around 2000 m/s caused multiple rib fractures, liver damage and massive internal bleeding which deemed it necessary for auto restoration to activate.

Auto restoration would not activate if his combat level was not decreased. That was not just "bleeding", the light had to have pierced in areas that would lower said combat level.

@setsuna

maya casted her killing magic and tats decomposed said magic after that stench of blood. It would be logical to say it was tats.

@yuzen

definitely correct. War level magicians are classified to to the scale of their specialized magic. Though masaki would not be more powerful by being able to "eliminate more targets." She can definitely do the same. Just not on the same scale as a war level magician

[Mars Mode]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

I'm kinda under the impression that a strategic class mage is only as powerful as his equipement. for instance they need specialized equipment to fully use the power they have. It seems whenever I've seen them fight in situation where neither mage is using the specialized equipment they fight at the standard combat level or so. I'd guess that Tatsuya with the silver horn and Misaki with the crimson cad would fight at a pretty even level (one would be turned to atoms or worse). With specialized equipment tatsuya could obviously turn anyone to dust from super far away but does it say anywhere how his CAD effects his normal combat ability?

Tatsuya only needs his trident, in other words the CAD he always carries with him to do anything, if he wants to be throught and use the third eye is for Material Burst, in other words Tatsuya is an specialist in Over The Horizon attacks even without his third eye.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

I'm kinda under the impression that a strategic class mage is only as powerful as his equipement. for instance they need specialized equipment to fully use the power they have. It seems whenever I've seen them fight in situation where neither mage is using the specialized equipment they fight at the standard combat level or so. I'd guess that Tatsuya with the silver horn and Misaki with the crimson cad would fight at a pretty even level (one would be turned to atoms or worse). With specialized equipment tatsuya could obviously turn anyone to dust from super far away but does it say anywhere how his CAD effects his normal combat ability?

Masaki accidentally used his full power against tatsuya which was something his restoration fixed quickly. tatsuya wasn't even using any of his main abilities and was being held back further by the seal between him and Miyuki. Masaki wouldn't have stood a chance if it was one on one with Tatsuya using his full power. There is nothing even about a fight between the 2 of them.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by Mars Mode

Tatsuya only needs his trident, in other words the CAD he always carries with him to do anything, if he wants to be throught and use the third eye is for Material Burst, in other words Tatsuya is an specialist in Over The Horizon attacks even without his third eye.

but he can use decomposition without cads as well.

[waffler]

which 2 cads do tatsuya use for divine left and demon right? 2 tridents?

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Masaki accidentally used his full power against tatsuya

No he didn't, otherwise Tatsuya would have been forced to use mist dispersal or whatever it's called to prevent himself from becoming a stain in the floor. Masaki merely broke the "C level or lower" rule for magic, but it wasn't is all, not by a stretch.

Originally Posted by setsuna86

I had a question: in the confrontation Tatsuya vs maya, who were bleeding at the end of the battle?

Probably Maya, otherwise she wouldn't have thought something like "he'll probably kill me if we get serious" after their round.

[bloodyclaws]

Originally Posted by Okashira

No he didn't, otherwise Tatsuya would have been forced to use mist dispersal or whatever it's called to prevent himself from becoming a stain in the floor. Masaki merely broke the "C level or lower" rule for magic, but it wasn't is all, not by a stretch.



Probably Maya, otherwise she wouldn't have thought something like "he'll probably kill me if we get serious" after their round.

masaki surpassed the limit because of fear. His natural instincts and experience as a soldier on the battlefield told him he was in danger and thus, it is not a stretch to say at that very moment, masaki was serious.

Tats does not need mist dispersal to eliminate masaki

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by bloodyclaws

masaki surpassed the limit because of fear. His natural instincts and experience as a soldier on the battlefield told him he was in danger and thus, it is not a stretch to say at that very moment, masaki was serious.

Tats does not need mist dispersal to eliminate masaki

yeah, people are probably at their most dangerous when they are running purely under their natural instinct to survive. Rupture was Masaki's main ability and he threw a LOT of them at Tatsuya. so many that even Tatsuya couldn't get rid of all of them in time. Rupture is a poor fit against shiatsu's restoration. never would it truly be even between them if Tatsuya would actually try,

[henzaeroz]

wanna confirm about tats restoration.

does his healing factor as insane as Hulk ? or it's only at Wolverine level ?



FYI Hulk can regrow organs

[bloodyclaws]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

wanna confirm about tats restoration.

does his healing factor as insane as Hulk ? or it's only at Wolverine level ?



FYI Hulk can regrow organs

unlike hulk and wolverine, he cant regrow organs through a slow advancement of time. He has to instantaneously restore those organs or he will die. So unlike wolverine or hulk, where they can have their organs blown away and still be conscious while regenerating their organs cell by cell, tats restoration will have repaired the organs before tats will have any idea that his organs have been ruptured.

So in terms of speed, it far exceeds hulk and wolverine. But tats is only human, so he cannot have half his body blown away and slowly "restore" from that. Otherwise he would of died while his body would be left intact.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by Okashira

No he didn't, otherwise Tatsuya would have been forced to use mist dispersal or whatever it's called to prevent himself from becoming a stain in the floor. Masaki merely broke the "C level or lower" rule for magic, but it wasn't is all, not by a stretch.



Probably Maya, otherwise she wouldn't have thought something like "he'll probably kill me if we get serious" after their round.

Probably his at most in terms of capabilities but not combine with his strongest spell.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

yeah, people are probably at their most dangerous when they are running purely under their natural instinct to survive. Rupture was Masaki's main ability and he threw a LOT of them at Tatsuya.

So by your definition Tatsuya uses Demon Hand every time he is pressed, Miyuki Cocktus and Jumonji uses Phalanx? Of course not. Being serious in a fight =/= using your triump card.

There is nothing that points out that Rupture was used in the duel with Tatsuya, Misaki would have probably needed to use Tatsuya's blood as a catalyzer to do so, as that spell requires liquid to be used. If that would have been the case, the effect would have been Tatsuya's body exploding (like the soldiers in vol 7) instead of having punctured liver and who knows what other inuries he had when he ate the two shots.

Probably even at it's weakest, Rupture goes beyond a C class level magic on Damage, and thus wasn't configured on Masaki's cad (it has been stated that a lot of magicians with strong magic had that problem for the competition, it was also mentioned that the exception was Saegusa as the whole selling point of her magic was fine control and the power output wasn't the essence of the spell).

[kfcpanda]

just clearing up some misinformation:

rupture was used in the duel with tatsuya.

misaki's forced to use it indirectly, he was still using it. like he sends out stuff with liquid in them and then explodes those instead

rupture was an A-class spell iirc


i remember someone was comparing it to dispersion except that he needed liquid to do it.

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by kfcpanda

just clearing up some misinformation:

rupture was used in the duel with tatsuya.

misaki's forced to use it indirectly, he was still using it. like he sends out stuff with liquid in them and then explodes those instead

rupture was an A-class spell iirc


i remember someone was comparing it to dispersion except that he needed liquid to do it.

It says he's using compressed air bullets every time it mentions Masaki's magic, here his the part where he goes overboard and hits Tatsuya.

A continuous chain of sixteen compressed air bullets, far surpassing the limits laid down by the rules, came swarming towards Tatsuya.

Unless it is explained somewhere else how this is related to rupture ofcourse. If you see it please post it cause I keep re-reading and only see him using other types of magic cause Rupture is too strong.

[waffler]

i still think that even if masaki wasnt using rupture and he used it tatsuya would regenerate it without a problem super fast