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Guido · 2011-12-25, 19:13

First of all, Merry Christmas to everyone!!!

On-Topic
Mashiro & Takagi trying to prove their choice of manga against Miura that's the reason why their rankings for Future Watch bombed. Not bombing badly but being a flop from Mashiro's POV.

The head-on clash broke from the stalemate and reached deep bottom when obfuscated Miura snapped that Takagi should get someone else to draw his gags, if Mashiro went with the line that his art wasn't suitable for gags. Hence, Takagi leaving incensed the meeting along with Mashiro.

Basically, Miura proved the hardest deal of effort gathering all the statistics of past surveys for Jack and even those before electronic submission was implemented for the magazines' questionnaires. Although the data was proven by the time correct about gag manga gaining stable serializations for long, lasting runs, that's not what Mashiro wants for their manga.

The boxes full of gag mangas including Miura's personal comments and annotations based on the data were to overwhelming for the boys checking in one go, but Miura's at his most depressing coming to their doorway to apologize to them made the boys to try out with a gag manga.

Though hope that Miura doesn't get them in a bad end of a deal if the data predictions fall off for the next serialization.

ookamigirl · 2011-12-27, 14:10

Another one-shot trial manga.
Wish they would just pick one and get serialized already.
Takagi & Aoki cooperation was nice.
The ending was kinda sad though..

ars89 · 2011-12-27, 15:13

No poor Miyoshi. Takagi screwed up without noticing. Even Mashiro was warning him. He really doesn't understand girls. Lol Iwase wants to do manga now. Even Aoki was falling for him.

So another one-shot. At least they are being serious about a gag manga this time. Takahama is just getting annoying now. They know Miura isn't good, but still are trying to make it work.

FlareKnight · 2011-12-28, 19:09

Well this was rough. You knew that something bad was going to happen with this Takagi involvement with Aoki. Of course it wasn't really that, but the OP that'd been spoiling this kind of conflict with Iwase. It's not like Takagi did anything specifically 'wrong' here and he certainly didn't expect that girl to be there. But not like the choices didn't lead to the end of the episode.

Even though he's been involved with Miyoshi this long he still couldn't write a likable heroine. Talking with Aoki certainly helped them both with their issues. Though can't see why Takagi couldn't try writing with a more tomboy heroine and see how it went. While he said the write things at that ambush it's been a while since I can remember him saying to Miyoshi how much he cares about her.

Well should be fun to see how they handle this. Miyoshi is going to be in a pretty emotional state.

Anh_Minh · 2011-12-29, 08:01

That's some cellphone batteries they have, to be able to talk the night away like that.

Guido · 2011-12-31, 02:23

Iwase returns to Takagi's life, and the strain she intellectually attempts to coerce Takagi to acknowledge her as his genius rival puts on evidence her childish stubbornness. Moreso, because she thinks Takagi would be wasting always his life to manga.

This is when Takagi draws the line on Iwase, and she cannot badmouth manga. He's doing manga because he likes manga and feels comfortable the position he got to by choosing manga.

To sum up with no more bush beating is that Iwase stills love Takagi in closed secret, but her little girl's pride won't allow her to say so unless she gets the remote chance to hear so from Takagi. That or, at least, being acknowledged by Takagi.

Now, Takagi does what any guy shouldn't do: neglecting his girlfriend for too long without even making contact to Miyoshi, and that's bad because the woman's radar under those worrying circumstances would tick on to think he's with another.

Unfortunately, that's what happened to Takagi, and more because he left at the studio the novel with Iwase's letter inside which Miyoshi found out by pure accident.

ars89 · 2012-01-08, 14:33

Spoiler for ep 14:

ZGMF-X10A · 2012-01-08, 16:09

Lol such a misunderstanding situation is turned into a mess. If only Takagi told Miyoshi about talking to Aoki in the first place. Takagi also messed up Mashiro's relationship.

Looking at the preview it says Monkey and Marriage. Monkey, as in the Zoo where Aoki, Iwase, and Takagi met. The marriage maybe be how Takagi and Miyoshi gets back together.

tera_ha · 2012-01-08, 16:21

I just love this anime. it's one of the best shows of last year IMO

so unique. probably like it more since my relationship is similar to it in a lot of ways.

Ami-chan · 2012-01-08, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

That's some cellphone batteries they have, to be able to talk the night away like that.

Phones functioned much better as phones back when the only thing you could do was call someone :P

FlareKnight · 2012-01-09, 01:20

Wow the guys really managed to screw everything up for themselves here. Just putting off trying to explain the situation or even get into contact.

Takagi has dug his hole for sure. Didn't bother calling Miyoshi until Mashiro actually brought it up. Then he didn't really try to deal with it later, figuring he'd wait until she called to apologize. Then it all just went to hell since Takagi didn't want to say anything about Aoki and thus it was clear they were hiding even more about this situation. Though great line from Takagi saying he didn't really think it was necessary for Miyoshi to trust him

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Sadly Mashiro gets into this mess too since not like he pushed too hard about explaining everything and now he's in the hole.

Then of course you have the whole manga thing. Can't see this gag manga working out well. Everyone is mentioning how this isn't a good direction and they'll never hit their full potential in that area. Hopefully they bomb in NEXT so it becomes clear how bad this is.

Kind of a good thing that Aoki turned down Nakai. Really does seem like the guy is fine with anyone. Completely putting his career on hold so he can flirt.

Anh_Minh · 2012-01-09, 02:23

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Then of course you have the whole manga thing. Can't see this gag manga working out well. Everyone is mentioning how this isn't a good direction and they'll never hit their full potential in that area. Hopefully they bomb in NEXT so it becomes clear how bad this is.

Unfortunately, they also say they're like Michael Jordan playing baseball (except they're not yet the Michael Jordan of story manga either). So they kinda can churn out something good. Just not great.

Guardian Enzo · 2012-01-09, 04:16

I agree that the worst thing that could happen is for the one-shot to be successful – it would be the best thing long-term if it fell flat, and disabused Mashiro and Takagi once and for all (Mashiro won’t need much convincing) of the notion that gag manga is a good idea. A serialization would be doomed to mediocrity and probable failure, a detour in Ashirogi’s career path at best and a derailer at worst. Better to face the truth now, and hopefully never have to take Miura’s bad advice again.

I see the way all this romantic and artistic struggle impacts the characters' lives much the same way as it impacts on the anime. All of this trial is probably necessary, but I’d just as soon the pain be over quickly even if it’s severe – rip that band-off quickly, hair and all, and be done with it. We need to deal with this relationship angst and I want to see the pairings move forward, but I really don’t think that’s Bakuman’s greatest strength. And we need to see how TakaShiro cope with professional failure, but it isn’t nearly as inspiring or exciting to watch as success. I want to get back to seeing them writing a dark story manga, and trying to make it not just a success, but a classic. That, for me, is Bakuman at its best.

kitten320 · 2012-01-09, 17:30

I can't really agree with Azuki here, especially regarding Mashiro's uncle. he promised her mother that he would not say anything, a promise is a promise and its not like he hid something totally major. The one she should be upset with is her mother.

I read a bit of manga and I'm really excited for upcoming episodes, what happened there really made me lol several times and going by preview the whole relationship conflict or its biggest part will probably get solved next week. Can't wait.

P.S. Though have no idea how they're gag idea will go, I had my focus on something else

Anh_Minh · 2012-01-09, 17:44

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Originally Posted by kitten320

I can't really agree with Azuki here, especially regarding Mashiro's uncle. he promised her mother that he would not say anything, a promise is a promise and its not like he hid something totally major. The one she should be upset with is her mother.

I think she's being unfair, yeah. Which isn't entirely surprising since she came up with that "let's not see each other" thing.

But really. It's one thing to demand they have no secret of their own from each other. It's another to ask him to betray confidences from others. I mean, and then what? Takagi can't talk to him, Kaya can't talk to her... It's ridiculous.

ookamigirl · 2012-01-10, 05:47

There were more problems of the heart than manga problems.
Well, it was pretty funny too ^^"
Looks like those two got into some serious girl trouble.
I still wish Hattori would be their editor again...

Guido · 2012-01-13, 20:05

When I read back in the manga about Takagi's issue with Iwase that prompted Miyoshi to leave him, that arc didn't make me tired. However, when I right now watched in the anime, seriously, they're making a giant drama and fuss about it.

Pretty much Miyoshi's not Takagi's mother to hound on him every hour all days just to check what's doing, but Takagi allowed himself to be absorbed too much on changing ideas over the phone with Aoki that he took for granted dismissing exchanging phone calls with Miyoshi over a long streak of days, even if it was for work purposes.

Secondly, how could he forgot to bring Iwase's letter back home, and instead leave it at the studio?

And, for my taste, Azuki's been too intransigent and stubborn with Mashiro involving him with Takagi's problem just because Miyoshi's her friend.

I really don't like women with those kinds of personalities

just as I will feel and seem like a stingy jerk, if I neglect for too much time seeing my girlfriend and making things worse to keep lots of things hidden from her; and lying's a killer between men and women relationships.
Everything could ease right now, if Takagi properly explains his phone calls with Aoki.

Anh_Minh · 2012-01-14, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Guido

When I read back in the manga about Takagi's issue with Iwase that prompted Miyoshi to leave him, that arc didn't make me tired. However, when I right now watched in the anime, seriously, they're making a giant drama and fuss about it.

Pretty much Miyoshi's not Takagi's mother to hound on him every hour all days just to check what's doing,

You're not being very fair, there. Despite going out for years, they've done very few couple-like things. (Have they ever gone on a proper date?)

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Secondly, how could he forgot to bring Iwase's letter back home, and instead leave it at the studio?

He didn't know there was a letter in it. To him, it was just a boring book he couldn't finish.

FlareKnight · 2012-01-15, 02:22

Spoiler for Ep15:

Haha well that's one way to resolve a problem

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The situation really did turn into a giant standoff. I loved hearing Takagi saying how Mashiro can be stubborn when he's the one who first said "let her apologize first." When someone else does it only then does he think about it. Much better at focusing on other people's problems. Everyone was just waiting for someone else to crack.

In the end Takagi was the one who broke. Dragging his own relationship into this mess was bad enough, but then he got to watch first hand as another one went bad. Seemed like he'd be able to smooth things over until of course Aoki was there

. Thought this might carry on another week when Miyoshi of course ran off.

Have to say a marriage proposal is one way to stop her

. Not exactly a bad idea either when you think about it. They aren't restricted like Mashiro and Azuki so nothing really stopping them. While technically marriage itself isn't any way to prevent misunderstandings it is a symbolic gesture of how serious Takagi is. Probably won't get to see any big ceremony (could even see them timing that for when Mashiro and Azuki finally get together), but still good. Takagi and Miyoshi get to be together and can put that situation behind us.

No real issue with Miyoshi and Aoki getting to know each other either. They become friends and less things to be worried about all around. Can't really blame Aoki for that breakdown considering what happened. She had reservations about working with Nakai, but then the guy had to be a jerk. The level of his inflated ego is utterly astounding. He's at the point of throwing his own career down the toilet so he can pretend something is going on with a fellow assistant. Even that slap was apparently not enough to wake that guy up. Oh well, if he wants to give up good chances to become serialized that's his business.

At this rate though they'll have to find a woman that can really draw to help Aoki out. Since right now Aoki can't trust any guys besides Takagi and obviously he can't draw for her.

tera_ha · 2012-01-15, 02:32

I like Aoki but I love Azuki

2011-12-25, 19:13	Link #861
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	New Page 12: Experience and Data First of all, Merry Christmas to everyone!!! On-Topic Mashiro & Takagi trying to prove their choice of manga against Miura that's the reason why their rankings for Future Watch bombed. Not bombing badly but being a flop from Mashiro's POV. The head-on clash broke from the stalemate and reached deep bottom when obfuscated Miura snapped that Takagi should get someone else to draw his gags, if Mashiro went with the line that his art wasn't suitable for gags. Hence, Takagi leaving incensed the meeting along with Mashiro. Basically, Miura proved the hardest deal of effort gathering all the statistics of past surveys for Jack and even those before electronic submission was implemented for the magazines' questionnaires. Although the data was proven by the time correct about gag manga gaining stable serializations for long, lasting runs, that's not what Mashiro wants for their manga. The boxes full of gag mangas including Miura's personal comments and annotations based on the data were to overwhelming for the boys checking in one go, but Miura's at his most depressing coming to their doorway to apologize to them made the boys to try out with a gag manga. Though hope that Miura doesn't get them in a bad end of a deal if the data predictions fall off for the next serialization.

2011-12-27, 14:10	Link #862
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Another one-shot trial manga. Wish they would just pick one and get serialized already. Takagi & Aoki cooperation was nice. The ending was kinda sad though.. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2011-12-27, 15:13	Link #863
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	No poor Miyoshi. Takagi screwed up without noticing. Even Mashiro was warning him. He really doesn't understand girls. Lol Iwase wants to do manga now. Even Aoki was falling for him. So another one-shot. At least they are being serious about a gag manga this time. Takahama is just getting annoying now. They know Miura isn't good, but still are trying to make it work. __________________ My Anime List

2011-12-28, 19:09	Link #864
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Well this was rough. You knew that something bad was going to happen with this Takagi involvement with Aoki. Of course it wasn't really that, but the OP that'd been spoiling this kind of conflict with Iwase. It's not like Takagi did anything specifically 'wrong' here and he certainly didn't expect that girl to be there. But not like the choices didn't lead to the end of the episode. Even though he's been involved with Miyoshi this long he still couldn't write a likable heroine. Talking with Aoki certainly helped them both with their issues. Though can't see why Takagi couldn't try writing with a more tomboy heroine and see how it went. While he said the write things at that ambush it's been a while since I can remember him saying to Miyoshi how much he cares about her. Well should be fun to see how they handle this. Miyoshi is going to be in a pretty emotional state. __________________ Anime-Evo

2011-12-31, 02:23	Link #866
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	New Page 13: Alliance and Classmates Iwase returns to Takagi's life, and the strain she intellectually attempts to coerce Takagi to acknowledge her as his genius rival puts on evidence her childish stubbornness. Moreso, because she thinks Takagi would be wasting always his life to manga. This is when Takagi draws the line on Iwase, and she cannot badmouth manga. He's doing manga because he likes manga and feels comfortable the position he got to by choosing manga. To sum up with no more bush beating is that Iwase stills love Takagi in closed secret, but her little girl's pride won't allow her to say so unless she gets the remote chance to hear so from Takagi. That or, at least, being acknowledged by Takagi. Now, Takagi does what any guy shouldn't do: neglecting his girlfriend for too long without even making contact to Miyoshi, and that's bad because the woman's radar under those worrying circumstances would tick on to think he's with another. Unfortunately, that's what happened to Takagi, and more because he left at the studio the novel with Iwase's letter inside which Miyoshi found out by pure accident.

2011-12-29, 08:01	Link #865
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	That's some cellphone batteries they have, to be able to talk the night away like that.

2012-01-08, 14:33	Link #867
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	Spoiler for ep 14: Wow Takagi not only messed up his relationship he also messed up Mashiro's relationship. This is probably my least favorite arc so far. Not only is the relationship problems but also their manga. I really hope what Niizuma said won't come true. It was nice to see Hattori stick behind them. I really hope it all works out . __________________ My Anime List

2012-01-08, 16:09	Link #868
ZGMF-X10A Tsukiyomi -Moon Phase- Join Date: Jun 2003	Lol such a misunderstanding situation is turned into a mess. If only Takagi told Miyoshi about talking to Aoki in the first place. Takagi also messed up Mashiro's relationship. Looking at the preview it says Monkey and Marriage. Monkey, as in the Zoo where Aoki, Iwase, and Takagi met. The marriage maybe be how Takagi and Miyoshi gets back together. __________________

2012-01-08, 16:21	Link #869
tera_ha Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	I just love this anime. it's one of the best shows of last year IMO so unique. probably like it more since my relationship is similar to it in a lot of ways. __________________ My Top 10 Favourite Anime

2012-01-09, 01:20	Link #871
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Wow the guys really managed to screw everything up for themselves here. Just putting off trying to explain the situation or even get into contact. Takagi has dug his hole for sure. Didn't bother calling Miyoshi until Mashiro actually brought it up. Then he didn't really try to deal with it later, figuring he'd wait until she called to apologize. Then it all just went to hell since Takagi didn't want to say anything about Aoki and thus it was clear they were hiding even more about this situation. Though great line from Takagi saying he didn't really think it was necessary for Miyoshi to trust him . Sadly Mashiro gets into this mess too since not like he pushed too hard about explaining everything and now he's in the hole. Then of course you have the whole manga thing. Can't see this gag manga working out well. Everyone is mentioning how this isn't a good direction and they'll never hit their full potential in that area. Hopefully they bomb in NEXT so it becomes clear how bad this is. Kind of a good thing that Aoki turned down Nakai. Really does seem like the guy is fine with anyone. Completely putting his career on hold so he can flirt. __________________ Anime-Evo

2012-01-09, 17:30	Link #874
kitten320 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	I can't really agree with Azuki here, especially regarding Mashiro's uncle. he promised her mother that he would not say anything, a promise is a promise and its not like he hid something totally major. The one she should be upset with is her mother. I read a bit of manga and I'm really excited for upcoming episodes, what happened there really made me lol several times and going by preview the whole relationship conflict or its biggest part will probably get solved next week. Can't wait. P.S. Though have no idea how they're gag idea will go, I had my focus on something else __________________ My anime list

2012-01-10, 05:47	Link #876
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	There were more problems of the heart than manga problems. Well, it was pretty funny too ^^" Looks like those two got into some serious girl trouble. I still wish Hattori would be their editor again... __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2012-01-13, 20:05	Link #877
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	New Page 14: Alliance and Classmates When I read back in the manga about Takagi's issue with Iwase that prompted Miyoshi to leave him, that arc didn't make me tired. However, when I right now watched in the anime, seriously, they're making a giant drama and fuss about it. Pretty much Miyoshi's not Takagi's mother to hound on him every hour all days just to check what's doing, but Takagi allowed himself to be absorbed too much on changing ideas over the phone with Aoki that he took for granted dismissing exchanging phone calls with Miyoshi over a long streak of days, even if it was for work purposes. Secondly, how could he forgot to bring Iwase's letter back home, and instead leave it at the studio? And, for my taste, Azuki's been too intransigent and stubborn with Mashiro involving him with Takagi's problem just because Miyoshi's her friend. I really don't like women with those kinds of personalities just as I will feel and seem like a stingy jerk, if I neglect for too much time seeing my girlfriend and making things worse to keep lots of things hidden from her; and lying's a killer between men and women relationships. Everything could ease right now, if Takagi properly explains his phone calls with Aoki.

2012-01-15, 02:22	Link #879
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Spoiler for Ep15: Haha well that's one way to resolve a problem . The situation really did turn into a giant standoff. I loved hearing Takagi saying how Mashiro can be stubborn when he's the one who first said "let her apologize first." When someone else does it only then does he think about it. Much better at focusing on other people's problems. Everyone was just waiting for someone else to crack. In the end Takagi was the one who broke. Dragging his own relationship into this mess was bad enough, but then he got to watch first hand as another one went bad. Seemed like he'd be able to smooth things over until of course Aoki was there . Thought this might carry on another week when Miyoshi of course ran off. Have to say a marriage proposal is one way to stop her . Not exactly a bad idea either when you think about it. They aren't restricted like Mashiro and Azuki so nothing really stopping them. While technically marriage itself isn't any way to prevent misunderstandings it is a symbolic gesture of how serious Takagi is. Probably won't get to see any big ceremony (could even see them timing that for when Mashiro and Azuki finally get together), but still good. Takagi and Miyoshi get to be together and can put that situation behind us. No real issue with Miyoshi and Aoki getting to know each other either. They become friends and less things to be worried about all around. Can't really blame Aoki for that breakdown considering what happened. She had reservations about working with Nakai, but then the guy had to be a jerk. The level of his inflated ego is utterly astounding. He's at the point of throwing his own career down the toilet so he can pretend something is going on with a fellow assistant. Even that slap was apparently not enough to wake that guy up. Oh well, if he wants to give up good chances to become serialized that's his business. At this rate though they'll have to find a woman that can really draw to help Aoki out. Since right now Aoki can't trust any guys besides Takagi and obviously he can't draw for her. __________________ Anime-Evo

2012-01-15, 02:32	Link #880
tera_ha Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	I like Aoki but I love Azuki __________________ My Top 10 Favourite Anime