2011-10-12, 16:51 | Link #141 |
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So, in the past, Taichi was an instigator in ostracizing "weirdos". In the present, he is still interested in Chihaya yet still dates another girl.
And that's stuff that his parents haven't been shown to pressure him into. While it's nice that he owned up so quickly to taking the glasses, I don't particularly like him as a person (as a character, however, he adds good drama). Chihaya, on the other hand, was wonderful with how she wouldn't put up with the bullying bullshit, and Arata was so cute when he said that Chihaya should be queen. But boo on all the parents except Arata's mother! Chihaya's parents need to recognize that they have another daughter and Taichi's parents need to remove the sticks in their asses. |
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But she is just starting with this Karuta thing so I can cut her some slack. She shouldn't be too perfect or she will have no room to grow.
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2011-10-12, 16:54 | Link #143 | |
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I mean if he were a real kid, I wouldn't call him a douchebag or a jerk. I don't think that's the correct approach to take with a kid.
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2011-10-12, 16:55 | Link #144 | |
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Honestly, I think people are so used to seeing black and white characters in anime these days that they don't know what to do when a show actually presents something more complicated. The general rule now seems to be you either have to love a character or hate them, period.
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2011-10-12, 16:58 | Link #145 |
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Chihaya's sister was only in the episode for a few seconds, but she's already my favorite character. "That's lame." Pretty much mirrors my thoughts on the game itself, so even though manga readers say the game is the central focus of the manga, I certainly hope that's a gross mischaracterization or that the director decides not to wholly focus on Karuta (which from what I've read and seen is a very simple and shallow game-you'd think Chihaya could have a loftier goal here ). So far, it seems while Karuta is present in the series, it's more of a plot device for character interaction/growth, then the actual focus of the story, which is a good thing in my book.
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2011-10-12, 17:20 | Link #146 |
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Found a couple Karuta videos Online
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This looks like a simplied version to teach kids English. My favorite part of the video is when 2 kids break out into Jan-ken-po Spoiler for Embedded Video:
This looks closer to the Karuta in the series. But there are some different roles in this game. Explanation of what is going on is in English. Anyways these two videos will lead you to more
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2011-10-12, 18:56 | Link #147 | |
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Look at it from Taichi's perspective: he's socially anxious and wants to fit in, and he can only do that by "being the best at something". Why, then, does he like Chihaya, and stick around with her in public. Her behaviour makes her a threat from the get go. I'll bet that he sees stuff in her that he'd like to be but doesn't dare to. A glimpse of how life could be without that pressure. It's as Arata says: Taichi is a coward. But Chihaya isn't brave so much as oblivious and stubborn. See where that will eventually lead her: someone who joins the track team to meet people, and then doesn't join again because it didn't work (unintentionally brushing off her "friend"). In a way, Chihaya was Taichi's courage, and Taichi was Chihaya's social conscience (which is different from her natural kindness). Right now, present day Chihaya's obsession with Karuta seems to be at least partly nostalgia for a time when she was part of it. So am I rooting for Taichi? I wouldn't put it like that, but I think I could. And how? I'm not watching a show to assign moral brownie points. If they have the potential, I want the characters to be happy. I want Taichi to find a place where he can be happy, and I'm pretty sure that would make him a better person, too. Meanwhile, he's not perfect. The same goes for Chihaya. Her faults are less damning on a moral ground and also less obvious, but they're obstacles to her happiness none the less. I don't see a simple heroine teaches bully a lesson, here. This cuts both ways, here. They learn from each other. Arata, so far, is the wild card. Not sure yet what he brings to the table, and what he takes from it. |
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2011-10-12, 19:14 | Link #148 | |
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Ok in all seriousness, I agree with you, There's definitely a difference between understanding a character and liking them.
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2011-10-12, 19:27 | Link #149 | |
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If I hated every douchebag I came across I'd run out of hate pretty darn quickly.
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2011-10-12, 19:28 | Link #150 | |
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You are obviously weak. Drink more hatorade IMO.
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2011-10-12, 19:39 | Link #151 | |
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"Stop drinking the hatorade, and start drinking the bubble tea!" Anyways, regarding the Taichi defence and hate on respective sides. It's understandable. I can understand firsthand what a strict asian mother is like, though it doesn't excuse him from being jackass. Pretty sure Arata has had strict parents, given his introvertedness, though that hasn't been proven yet. |
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That being said,Arata has every right to hit taichi at the end and be angry,however that's different from disliking someone,just because I get mad at someone doesn't mean I don't like him.
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2011-10-12, 21:02 | Link #154 |
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This show has been the most pleasant surprise of the season for me. Didn't know anything about it beforehand and wasn't expecting much, but the first two episodes have been wonderful. The match in the second episode was intense, and younger tomboy Chihaya is freaking adorable. I love the characterizations so far and find Taichi the most interesting (if not particularly likable yet). I do hope the show returns to the present day pretty soon though.
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2011-10-12, 22:01 | Link #155 | ||
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To me, judging a characters actions is very different from liking/disliking a character. The latter depends much more on how relatable the character is, and also on how these actions are executed. I don't enjoy making moral judgements, really, but I will if I have to. I'm drawn to anime, partly, because I generally don't have to. Even in clear-cut villain situations, there's usually a relationship-angle to pursue, which I find much more interesting than the moral hierachy expressed in the bi-polar: good vs. bad, or right vs. wrong. This is not to say that morals are irrelevant; it's just that I think I'm coming at characterisation from a very different angle, and a character's actions influence me less than his spontaneous reactions: Quote:
Taichi, on the other hand, is the opposite. While Chihaya's sister bears all the expectations, and Chihaya pretty much forms part of the family by joining the star-project as a cheer leader, Taichi learns that to belong you have to be successful. As such he has developed a high level of social anxiety, but that also means he's much better at picking up social cues than Chihaya. To me, it's not hard to see how their relationship (= friendship) is benefitial to the each of them. (Btw, did you edit your post? The post I remember reading, and the post I replied to right now seem... different. If some of the things I said make little sense, that might be because I'm replying to parts I can no longer find. The way I am right now, I might well have been reading things that weren't there... [Did I mention having a tough week?]) |
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Considering Taichii did the right thing at the end of the episode, was humbled, accepted his loss and moved on I don't really see the reason for the hate. He made a mistake, cheated at the game, and did horrible things to his classmate, but owned up to it at the end as best he could by returning the glasses and realizing that Arata's passion and genuine skill for the game far exceeds his own drive to win at everything that seems to come more from pressure from his parents and teachers than everything.
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2011-10-13, 06:38 | Link #160 |
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Great videos, thanks for posting them. I also came across this one posted on Yaraon:
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These are apparently A-rank karuta players. I suggest paying close attention to the 03:15 mark when the "Chihaya" card is read. The whole game has been posted on Youtube, it is interesting to see that it goes on for more than thirty minutes. That level of concentration for so long...
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