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To be very clear, my problem with your post is nothing more than your assessment of the opening scene, which I completely disagree with.
I do understand the point that you are trying to bring up; I do understand that you wanted scenes to be taken out because it was taking time and space from the stuff that mattered the most for you. But when you are saying that the opening scene was "unnecessary", "utterly useless", "did not enhance the rest of the episode", "nor was it relevant", and "the most expendable"; do you really expect me to agree with your assessment of that particular scene if you put it in those words? I had elaborated on the importance/significance that scene plays within the episode; I had tried to bring in the bigger picture and how it relates to the development/exposition of Kirino's character---although in very few words. do you agree/disagree with my assessment/interpretation of the scene? do you still think is "utterly useless"? I'm not exactly trying to argue anything else besides this.
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Let's just agree to disagree.
While I might be a bit too strong to say the segment is "unnecessary", "utterly useless" and "irrelevant". I was thinking in a way that was just about the episode 2 itself. The episode 2 was about the net meeting and Kirino making otaku friends, and I simply thought that scene can be used in any other episodes and still get its points across. In that sense, I still think that scene is the most expendable and does no enhance the rest of the episode 2.
That's not to say the segment is doesn't help to enhance the series. In fact, I agree with you and thought the scene does help the series as whole since this event was only indirectly referred to in novel and it helps to show more about Kirino. Again, I just don't think it was the right place for that scene in episode 2 and after watching episode 3 it only make me feel that the scene should merge with episode 3's opening instead and it will have a lot more impact and meaning that episode.
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I tried to show the two "different" Kirinos that appeared on this episode, so I used the word "confident" to describe the character/personality of her usual self, in contrast to the awkward one of the RL meeting. I do agree that she didn't fit in; however, I was under the impression that the lack of confidence, while not entirely the issue, may have been part of it. At school, her friends are the ones who approach her and start a conversation; she responds and interacts with them without any problems. At the RL meeting, she tries to have conversations with people of similar interests, but it does not work out very well. I think part of the issue lies in Kirino herself for not trying more, for giving up too easily. it's not like she doesn't have anything to talk about---she does know her stuff, otherwise she wouldn't argue with Kuroneko---it's just that well, she doesn't seem very confident about it; given her personality and her expectations that others will be the ones to break the ice, it doesn't help very much. of course, this is just how I understood the scene.
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I actually thought Kirino tred her best. She's always a princess-like character and like I said, she is out of place just by her looks along. While she does know her stuff, but as the scene show, the others in RL meet simply didn't give her a chance to butt in. She try to joing the conversation by got shut out everytime she tried, any more aggressive, you'll only piss off others. Interesting that you brought up Kuroneko, compare to Kuroneko, Kirino is much more aggressive and daring, and Kuroneko actually cosplayed so you would think she would be more accepted by the rest.
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I was aware of this issue from the novel, but I did not really find it very important to my enjoyment of the episode. I think the information can bring a different view to the anime, but I want to believe that the anime itself did well developing Kirino as a character by exploring how she interacts with different people, especially ones with similar interests.
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I think this is where we are off. The way I look is since this episode is about IR meeting, than the character building part should to concentrate to this segment instead of making up a generic scene that more or less does not related directly to the IR meeting itself. Especially when you expect there will be episodes that deals with school and family view of Kirino's hobby.
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a slip of the tongue. I have not read all volumes so far released of the novel; I apologize if I gave that impression. on the other hand, I have been able to read what has been so far translated into English (3/4 or half of the first volume) and I also listened to the Drama CD, which is exactly what the anime has covered in the second episode. Although I cannot remember all details of the story (except for the most important ones), I think I can still make an assessment/comparison based on the stuff I'm already familiar with. However, I'm trying to take the anime as a different being and not just as an adaptation of the source material. I believe, so far, it has done a very good job telling the core of the story, while also giving subtle hints of the underlying cues relating to the characters---which the novel, Drama CD may go into more detail. Yes, there's some stuff that has been cut out, but I think we got the basic premise of the story, which feels very cohesive to me.
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And this is actually why I'm critical of that segment as well. I don't want to see and anime adaption as simply and adaption. Therefore, you have to get the basic infomation out of the way and events like RL meeting become important because you are setting up important characters and establish them in the series. after they get that out of way they and change the details afterward. You shouldn't have read the original novel just to find out that Saori is the same age as Kuroneko. You shouldn't have to guess that Kirino is popular and fashionable. Take care of this scene first and you free up to do other changes you want.
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I think I wasn't very clear. what I was trying to say by conciliating her hobbies with her normal way of life, is the fact she has to hide her hobbies from others. "normal way of life" wasn't perhaps the right way to phrase it; let's change it with the way people see her.
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Which is fine, but she has been hiding it for a while without problem, so why would other people sees her differently. It make more sense and impact that his friends only find it weird after certain things occurs, and that even is RL meeting which is another reason I say the opening scene is out of place.
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