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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 29 | 23.58% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 26 | 21.14% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 28 | 22.76% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 20 | 16.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 10 | 8.13% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 4 | 3.25% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.81% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 4.07% | |
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-12-04, 16:02 | Link #81 | |
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2009-12-04, 18:58 | Link #84 |
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Oh it was just boring to me and I probably did lose attention. Yea, I do realize there's some relevance to the plot as Ange learns about the epitaph and sees something that might be Sakataro as suddenly she seems wholely convinced that magic exists, I just found it pretty dry.
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2009-12-04, 19:02 | Link #85 | |
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2009-12-04, 19:30 | Link #87 |
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...Among all things, the whole message bottles and bank vault (implying a much bigger "conspiracy") are probably the facts that make the whole mystery going to some new levels.
If you don't factor the whole blue and red arguments, these elements retrieved by Ange are the most important you can get within the scope of the first arcs of umineko. So I really wonder how it "isn't going anywhere", unless aftermath of such slaughter doesn't matter, which is very unlikely.
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2009-12-04, 19:41 | Link #88 |
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I'm actually quite aware of these things. Maybe my first post seemed to pass it off as filler and pointless? Yea, it seems badly worded. No, the scenes were significant. This anime doesn't have any "useless" scenes
It's more like I just didn't care. I am more like "ok" and that is just my only reaction. Maybe because I was distracted, maybe because the anime didn't get my attention enough.
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2009-12-04, 20:35 | Link #89 | |
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2009-12-04, 20:49 | Link #90 | |
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1) Ange found out that SOMEONE -- most likely the culprit or someone who was either in league with the culprit or at least aware of them -- sent out letters to relatives of those who were going to die on Rokkenjima the day before the meeting. 2) More specifically, the person did it in such a way that the letters would reach them some time after the murders -- because the intended recipients (Nanjo's son, etc) were listed as the senders and their relation on the island was listed as the recipient at an undeliverable address. 3) A very, very important note is that this person seemed to be aware of the fact that Ange was not going to be at Rokkenjima for the meeting, since she herself received one of these letters (I don't think the anime mentioned this aspect of that incident, but in this case the letter's "intended recipient" was Rudolf). This is interesting because no one knew Ange would not be attending until the very last minute, ie, after the letters seem to have been sent out. 4) This person has a playful personality and enjoys an element of "risk" (which Kinzo and Beatrice say is the core of "magic"). 5) Their handwriting matches the handwriting of "Beatrice" in Maria's diary and in the bottle-letters from "Ushiromiya Maria". 6) The letters contain keys to high security bankvaults, and the code to the bankvaults is the mysterious string of numbers that was written on the door to the parlor in EP 3 (found when George and Shannon's bodies were discovered). In other words, the individual who knew the code to the bankvault, who may then be the person who sent out the letters, was on the island at the time of the murders. 7) On another note, Ange's trip revealed that Kumasawa was seriously attempting to solve the epitaph -- something we were not aware of. 8) Furthermore, it looks like she knew more about goings-on on the island and may have gotten pretty far in solving the epitaph. The photograph we saw was probably only a part of her research into the riddle, because her son said that there were more papers related to it which were split up among his siblings. On the 1986 side of things, we learned that 1) George seems to have a more forceful and potentially dangerous aspect to his personality than we may have thought. 2) George and Jessica are both engaged in fights for their lives (regardless of whether or not demons are involved). 3) Kumasawa and Gohda have been locked in a self-imposed closed-room scenario, and this perhaps may give us a clue about other closed-room scenarios that we've seen before. Are you still going to say that this episode didn't contribute much to the anime? |
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2009-12-04, 20:59 | Link #91 | |
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I guess I didn't process this ep like I should have because it wasn't well directed. Thanks for taking the time to break it down, it was honestly appreciated. |
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2009-12-04, 21:06 | Link #93 |
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Exactly why I want DEEN to drop the series, so then I can pray that somewhere down the line, a justifiable adaptation will happen. These scenes gripped me in the original, but even for an anime-only viewer like yourself, they seemed lackluster and unimportant.
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2009-12-04, 21:06 | Link #94 | |
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2009-12-04, 21:30 | Link #95 |
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^You're right, that IS an important point.
I didn't really think this episode was this badly directed, but if people are having a very hard time putting the pieces together ... on some level I think it might just be the format. When you're watching the anime, you're having lots of information thrown at you, and that coupled with tiny details being left out maybe makes it harder to process. Whereas in the VN, you're actively reading it, you can go backwards to a certain number of pages and review what you've read, you can decide how much you want to read at once -- either marathoning the whole thing so that it's once complete experience and you don't forget stuff from earlier in the arc, or in more manageable bits. You get a lot of those choices taken away from you when you are watching an anime, by virtue of the medium. |
2009-12-05, 00:13 | Link #97 | |
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2009-12-05, 02:42 | Link #100 |
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If 24 were the last episode then we would get no closure on the 1998 or Meta storylines...so...yeah...I mean, I know a lot of people are critical of DEEN and worried about how they'll handle the end of the series, but give them a little more credit, they're not going to leave us hanging on THAT badly ^^;
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