(L+CR) Photo Kano

[CptChaos]

Poor Aki got blackmailed again. That doesn't really make the MC more likable.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Humble Loser

Then Mai finds his porn magazines and Maeda is like, “They were forced on me” and so forth to try to lie his way out of it. Mai keeps the magazines and has dirt on Maeda. So for the first time, he thinks about it possibly being karma and wondering if this is what Muroto feels like.

That scene was astonishingly dumb. He could just lead the guy back to the locker and give back the magazines there. Alternatively, he could simply seal those magazines inside a plastic bag, rather than leaving them exposed just like that.

And Maeda's black mailing really sickens me. The first black mail was semi-understandable, since he felt obliged to bail his sister out. However,the Homework blackmail is the point that the protagonist looses whatever shred of credibility he has left in my view. Plus, I suspect that the President simply shoddily did the translations, without bothering with carefully maintaining proper grammar or spelling, or indeed, sentence structure. In other words, I suspect that Maeda's homework looks like it's machine translated, which might get him into serious trouble.

[Endless Soul]

I think just about the only thing interesting going on in Episode 4 is that Uchida revealed an eye, and a mole.

Endless "Illicit entry" Soul

[Setsuna Asuka]

It's not blackmail if she enjoys it.

Also you people take this show way too seriously, It's a romantic comedy based on a dating sim where you take various photos of girls.

Heck I'm surprised he's not liked very much here where other places call him an alpha or one of the best MCs of the season

[bakAnki]

Maybe I'm one of the rare breed on this board that doesn't mind this anime XD

Sure, it's because I'm already accustomed with the characters and the plots from the game since on the game the player (including me) is filling Kazuya's shoes, so all white-knight hentai and this blackmailing stuffs don't really crossed my mind since the dialogues and relationship with the girls are what I'm focusing on. And I never been a guy who over think or analyze tv shows, including anime, too deeply and compare it how it will play out in real life, so maybe that's another reason

Originally Posted by ShadowVlican

indeed... this is one of those series that i wouldn't tell others about

To be fair, I would never tell anyone about any harem or ecchi anime title. Except maybe fellow close otaku friends from the same circle. Why would you want to tell anyone about harem, fan-service-y ecchi anime anyway?

Originally Posted by YourIdeas

Why can't Uchida keep her hair up all the time? She's like cutest girl in the show. :<

To keep with other eccentric members of Photography Club? XD It gives more mysterious aura, fitting to be the assassin of the club anyway XD

Originally Posted by Setsuna Asuka

It's not blackmail if she enjoys it.

Can't say she enjoys it but at the very least she doesn't really mind with it. Her expression does shows that she likes it when Kazuya asks her to do his homework, but then again they made what I feel a fail facial expression when Mai first doubts Kazuya, where she looks more like a pervert, unlike the second one which much better.

And at least Kazuya doesn't force her to do stuff like this >XD

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Originally Posted by Setsuna Asuka

Heck I'm surprised he's not liked very much here where other places call him an alpha or one of the best MCs of the season

Whoa. Granted Animesuki is the only anime board I actively joined, but some other boards I happened to pass through, the majority is still hates Kazuya

[Humble Loser]

I'd find Maeda alpha if he just stuck to getting what he wants from people with no tricks, no lies, no frills, and no blackmail. Alpha guys keep it simple: just ask, snap away and go from there. When he's like that you have an alpha guy. But the sideways, dishonest snake style screams "beta male." An alpha guy has girls following his will simply because it is his will and they wish to comply. A beta guy has to couple something else into the package to get compliance (add threats, blackmail, whatever else in to get your will done).

[4Tran]

Yet more horridness from our hero. And aside from all the standard creeper elements, this episode features all sorts of scenes that are just plopped there, with no rhyme and no reason. Two examples of this are the teacher who gets lost, and that girl sitting out on the stairs. Are these scenes interesting? Do they serve any purpose? I'd guess that they exist because they were in the game. But in the show, they prove precisely zilch entertainment value - it all feels very amateurishly done. And for an anime that's ostensibly about photography, Photokano has featured some really bad pictures - poor poses, poor lighting, and poor composition are all rampant. Did the creators actually research photography before making this show?

Originally Posted by MAX_COLA_POWER!

Is it pretty much safe to say that the possible doujins, H or otherwise, which may already exist, of this series would be more entertaining that this adaptation? It would probably go like this: PSP game (don't know how to write more or equal together) manga and light novels>raunchy eroge>this animé adaptation.

I think that Photokano would have turned out better if they decided to ditch the original story concept, and just made it about Kazuya convincing girls to be models for his figure photography. Making it more blatant might actually lower the creep level, and it'd give us an excuse for interesting photographs.

Originally Posted by Humble Loser

Maeda’s racy pictures of Muroto being discovered was funny. No need to keep all your shots with you 24/7. So he dumps the blame on the club president to “cover” himself and then thinks about finally moving the pictures to his computer. You’re so bright Maeda. He white knights for Niimi some more. Then Maeda later blackmails Muroto again into doing his homework or he will reveal the “illicit entry” thing again. Boy, if Maeda ever gets one inch on you, it will turn into a mile.

Then Mai finds his porn magazines and Maeda is like, “They were forced on me” and so forth to try to lie his way out of it. Mai keeps the magazines and has dirt on Maeda. So for the first time, he thinks about it possibly being karma and wondering if this is what Muroto feels like.

Both of these scenes are poorly executed. That scene of the Kazuya tasting the water from his sister's body might even be worse.

Originally Posted by novalysis

Plus, I suspect that the President simply shoddily did the translations, without bothering with carefully maintaining proper grammar or spelling, or indeed, sentence structure. In other words, I suspect that Maeda's homework looks like it's machine translated, which might get him into serious trouble.

I doubt that that would happen. I think that the viewer is supposed to be on Kayuza's side for this scene.

Originally Posted by Endless Soul

I think just about the only thing interesting going on in Episode 4 is that Uchida revealed an eye, and a mole.

Endless "Illicit entry" Soul

Bingo. It's easily the best shot of the entire episode - maybe even the whole show so far.

Originally Posted by Setsuna Asuka

It's not blackmail if she enjoys it.

Also you people take this show way too seriously, It's a romantic comedy based on a dating sim where you take various photos of girls.

Heck I'm surprised he's not liked very much here where other places call him an alpha or one of the best MCs of the season

The problem is that the show isn't a game; and for what it's worth, it's been extremely bad so far. It's pretty tough to even come up with a few well-executed and/or entertaining scenes.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

They can't seem to decide if Kazuya is meant to be a nice guy or a pervert/creep. If they're trying to make him seem like a mix, they're not doing a good job. You can have male leads be both and still come off as likeable and someone to root for, like Junichi in Amagami SS or Yoto in Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko and so on. They make Kazuya too Jekyll and Hyde-ish when it comes to how he is; one second, he's the nice guy then suddenly, he's the pervert and/or creep, then back to being a (hypocritical) nice guy.

And they still try to push it off as Kazuya actually being drawn into "photography". They should change it to be focused on Sanehara. At least she actually takes it seriously and such.

Besides Uchida (w00t), Kazuya getting a taste of his own medicine with Mai and the magazines was a good side of the episode too.

[Lord of Fire]

I'll echo everyone else's sentiments that this show does a horrible job in showing what exactly our MC is – a pervert or a guy genuinely interested in photography. While he shows signs of respecting some of the girls, him continuing to blackmail the SC president to get whatever he wants is just too low for me.

I hope he changes his tune now that Mia has dirty laundry of him, else I can't see it end well for him. If he wants to win the girls' respect, he'll have to earn it, not cheat his way through.

[Kanon]

It looks like they might switch to omnibus next week? That would make the first four episodes the introduction, similar to Yosuga no Sora. No matter what they do, I'm hoping they'll change the current formula because it's not working.

The MC seems like scum to me. It's totally okay for him to take erotic pictures of girls (glimpse of cleavage = shutter chance!! That sums up his interest in photography so far), but god forbid his fellow club members do the same. And I can't believe he's still blackmailing Muroto. This time he had her do his homework so that he could have more time to spend fapping to his pictures. That's very very low.

[bakAnki]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

Two examples of this are the teacher who gets lost, and that girl sitting out on the stairs. Are these scenes interesting? Do they serve any purpose? I'd guess that they exist because they were in the game. But in the show, they prove precisely zilch entertainment value - it all feels very amateurishly done.

It does serve a purpose. For Momoko, it's one of early scene that further introduce player with her characteristics, a (intern/test) teacher who doesn't look like one and for Tomoe it's the first scene Kazuya knows where Tomoe goes to.

They cut some important dialogues, mostly on Momoko's part maybe because they're not going to adapt her route.

Spoiler for comparison from the game:

On Momoko part, after Kazuya showed her to backyard, Momoko asks her to show popular places on school for students. Kazuya showed her the school's park and rooftop, and on both places, Momoko asks her if there's couple usually spend their time there. Momoko loves high school's love story, those teen/chick-lit kinds.

As for Tomoe part, at that scene, originally Kazuya comments how nice that place to spend some alone time, and when he's about to left, Tomoe says to him that if he wants quiet place like that, he should search for other because it's her spot. Later the place will plays bigger role. So yes, it serves a purpose.

Originally Posted by 4Tran

That scene of the Kazuya tasting the water from his sister's body might even be worse.

This one, I agree @_@

Originally Posted by RX-78GP04G Gerbera

They can't seem to decide if Kazuya is meant to be a nice guy or a pervert/creep. If they're trying to make him seem like a mix, they're not doing a good job. You can have male leads be both and still come off as likeable and someone to root for, like Junichi in Amagami SS or Yoto in Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko and so on. They make Kazuya too Jekyll and Hyde-ish when it comes to how he is; one second, he's the nice guy then suddenly, he's the pervert and/or creep, then back to being a (hypocritical) nice guy.

And they still try to push it off as Kazuya actually being drawn into "photography". They should change it to be focused on Sanehara. At least she actually takes it seriously and such.

To be fair, if Amagami is not omnibus, Junichi would look almost as bad. I mean he acted as a dog then kissed Haruka's back leg and also make Kaoru showed her navel on the library (and also kissed it, IIRC), beside any other. I wonder if people will see Kazuya on different light if Photo Kano is an omnibus from the get-go like Amagami

And for the Jekyll and Hyde thing, isn't it more or less the same with Junichi too? I mean wasn't he acts different toward each girl on their own story? He can becomes pushy to get Haruka's attention, an M towards Tsukasa, playful with Kaoru, filming Sae's with different animal costume, and so on. Different girl different approach.

I think the premise of Aki story and Tsukasa story are basically the same. Both girls are top, honor student at the school, but one thing led to another, the protagonist find the other side of the girls, they get closer despite what happen next, and later fallen in love. It just on Kazuya case, he's playing the S role

Originally Posted by Kanon

It looks like they might switch to omnibus next week? That would make the first four episodes the introduction, similar to Yosuga no Sora. No matter what they do, I'm hoping they'll change the current formula because it's not working.

I wish. Possible scenarios I could think are:

1. Episodes 5 to 11 focus on one girl each episode but not an omnibus. The last episode will be the one where Kazuya make the decision which girl he's going to pick.
2. The rest of the episode will be full omnibus, 1 episode for 1 girl story complete until it ends, the next episode will reset after the end of episode 4. And since there are 7 main girls, the last episode could be Kanon or Uchida since their story are already foreshadowed on the first 4 episodes.
3. The anime is axed to only half a cour? Since even I don't think Haruka route could be ended with only 1 episode left, so 2 remaining episodes quota will fill half cour. Is there a series which get axed before?
4. It proceeds like usual where all routes are mixed each episode, it just happen the episode preview for eps 5 only show the portion of Haruka route.

Personally, I think option number 1 is the best. Although I want to see every girls gets their end, but I don't think only 1 episode is enough to cover their each remaining story. I mean Rina as the main girl had less screen time compared to Kanon whom only a sub-character

Originally Posted by Kanon

And I can't believe he's still blackmailing Muroto. This time he had her do his homework so that he could have more time to spend fapping to his pictures. That's very very low.

And I still can't believe how can people think something like this. Where you get this idea? Just because he browses all pictures he took on his PC? Do you also think Kanon (not referring to you, of course, but Kazuya's little sister ) steals Kazuya's pants and fap to it since from the same episode she seems to be a brocon?

I agree the anime adapted the scene very badly. The preceding scene with Kazuya talking to his friend saying he wants to do everything he can with photography before the exhibit, and immediately followed by blackmailed Aki, it comes veeery bad.

But for what it's worth, the original scene isn't like that. In the game he just remember he forgot to do his homework so he rushed to Aki to ask her do it for her. He said his magic word, yes, but Aki only do the half of it, the rest of it is done by Kazuya with Aki's helping the part he doesn't understand. They omit the most important part on the anime, making it looks like Kazuya purposely didn't do his homework so he could make Aki does it instead

Kazuya isn't dilligent sure, but he's not the type of the student who purposely didn't do his homework on home and then just copy his friend's, at least on the episode 1 we could see that he is doing his summer holiday's homework by himself, albeit at the last minute XDD

[Insert_Gel]

Hahahaha. The hate on this thread is pretty awesome.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Kanon

It looks like they might switch to omnibus next week? That would make the first four episodes the introduction, similar to Yosuga no Sora. No matter what they do, I'm hoping they'll change the current formula because it's not working.

The problems with Photokano are structural, so there won't be any changes unless the key staff are replaced. This does not happen in a short series.

Originally Posted by bakAnki

It does serve a purpose. For Momoko, it's one of early scene that further introduce player with her characteristics, a (intern/test) teacher who doesn't look like one and for Tomoe it's the first scene Kazuya knows where Tomoe goes to.

These scenes could work in a game, but in a TV series, every scene is important. If a scene can't do anything other than establish a minor piece of characterization, then it should be either removed, or altered to serve more purposes. And really, the scenes I described aren't too hard to improve. An episode can survive a poor scene or two provided that it can deliver quality elsewhere. But Photokano has several scenes like this every episode, and there's no relief anywhere in sight. It's a production that reeks of an inexperienced creative staff.

Originally Posted by bakAnki

To be fair, if Amagami is not omnibus, Junichi would look almost as bad. I mean he acted as a dog then kissed Haruka's back leg and also make Kaoru showed her navel on the library (and also kissed it, IIRC), beside any other. I wonder if people will see Kazuya on different light if Photo Kano is an omnibus from the get-go like Amagami

While this might make Kazuya better as a person, I don't think that it'd do anything to redeem him as a character. The main problem with him is that we're not supposed to think of him as a creeper even though he obviously is one.

Originally Posted by bakAnki

And I still can't believe how can people think something like this. Where you get this idea? Just because he browses all pictures he took on his PC? Do you also think Kanon (not referring to you, of course, but Kazuya's little sister ) steals Kazuya's pants and fap to it since from the same episode she seems to be a brocon?

Ironically, I think that Kazuya masturbating over his secret pictures would make him a better character!

Originally Posted by bakAnki

But for what it's worth, the original scene isn't like that. In the game he just remember he forgot to do his homework so he rushed to Aki to ask her do it for her. He said his magic word, yes, but Aki only do the half of it, the rest of it is done by Kazuya with Aki's helping the part he doesn't understand. They omit the most important part on the anime, making it looks like Kazuya purposely didn't do his homework so he could make Aki does it instead

This sure sounds like a scene that was too long to work into the anime, so the creators carelessly cut out portions of it without realizing what the effect would be. The original scene still makes Kazuya look bad if his characterization in the anime is retained in all other respects.

Originally Posted by Insert_Gel

Hahahaha. The hate on this thread is pretty awesome.

It can be quite constructive to see in what ways a show fails to meet its goals.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

I can’t really explain why, but the MC feels really lame to me. Aside from being absolutely plain, not bright, newfound-blackmailing tendency, and girls throw themselves at him for practically nothing, him being a hypocrite doesn’t help things:

Maeda: “I will protect the girls from being objects of lewd photos!”

Maeda (seeing one of big-boobed girls carrying balls): “Holy shit! Nice boobs! Must-take-pictures!!”

[MUAHAHAHAHAHA]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I can’t really explain why, but the MC feels really lame to me. Aside from being absolutely plain, not bright, newfound-blackmailing tendency, and girls throw themselves at him for practically nothing, him being a hypocrite doesn’t help things:

Maeda: “I will protect the girls from being objects of lewd photos!”

Maeda (seeing one of big-boobed girls carrying balls): “Holy shit! Nice boobs! Must-take-pictures!!”

I have neither faith nor trust in Maeda's character, I only have faith in this; in lust we trust. Those girls should realize this soon.

Or maybe they already did

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I can’t really explain why, but the MC feels really lame to me. Aside from being absolutely plain, not bright and girls throw themselves at him for practically nothing, him being a hypocrite doesn’t help things

The plain bit of the male lead is one of the problems anime based on harem/dating sim games tend to have pretty often; it seems like they try to keep him as plain as possible in order to allow the viewers (obviously males mostly) to be "in his shoes" like the games tend to do, even if the male lead has a name already in said games.

In at least the anime version, if you give him a name and make him a character, then it should be expected that they'd have their own (good) personality and development to make us like and root for him.

Here, Kazuya is missing most of both. From the way things are going, it doesn't seem like he's really gonna "develop" like Junichi did (and uniquely based on the situations he had with each girl no less) and, as said, his very character is hard to like or root for...

[bakAnki]

Quite hard to further defend anime!Kazuya without spoiling, so for now let's all just hate him and enjoy the scan

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[MatasOniiChan]

I think i'm only still watching this for dat op.

[GundamZZ]

Originally Posted by MatasOniiChan

I think i'm only still watching this for dat op.

One honest poster appears...

Other posters just keep providing review and swears they are not watching the show anymore.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by GundamZZ

One honest poster appears...

Other posters just keep providing review and swears they are not watching the show anymore.

Well, I can’t speak for the others, but nowhere in my posts in this thread I swore not to watch the show anymore nor implied the intention.

Besides, for me, some trainwrecks are enjoyable to watch .