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If Madoka Magica gets an in-canon direct sequel, there's huge potential that it'll destroy much of what this particular subset of the Madoka Magica fandom, including myself, like about it. For one thing, it will almost certainly make "Madoka world" seem much darker, as Gen himself tells dark tales. This in turn will cast Madoka's ending sacrifice in a much darker light, which could drastically hurt how people perceive her character and the value thereof (as well as hurt how people perceive the final episode of Madoka Magica's first season). Now, let's suppose Gen actually doesn't do this, but goes against his predominant style by casting "Madoka world" in a brighter light. Well, that will go a long way to reinforcing the idea that Madoka's sacrifice is inspirational, and worth it. It'll also mean though, that Madoka Magica's sequel would be much closer to conventional magical girl anime, and that would greatly disappoint some Madoka Magica fans as well. Do you now see the Catch-22 here? Do you see how it would be very tricky for Gen to craft a sequel that pleases all or almost all Madoka Magica fans? Madoka Magica managed to hit a very nice sweet spot. For conventional magical girl fans like myself, the ending is much of the reason why we like it. If Madoka Magica had a very grimdark ending, I would not have liked this anime anywhere near as much as I currently do. On the flip side, Madoka Magica was still, on the whole, dark enough and deconstruction-y enough to please those who wanted to see magical girl anime go in a much darker and bolder direction. So it managed to please conventional magical girl anime fans, and magical girl anime critics alike. Not bad, not bad at all. A direct in-canon sequel achieving the same, though, will be very tricky business, for the reasons I've hinted at above. Quote:
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Likewise, if Madoka Magica has a direct in-canon sequel, it will effect how people view the original and its characters. It has to, as character actions (in the original) will now lead to further effects, and characters will be further developed (which in turn can retroactively impact how we viewed them in the original). Again, if Madoka Magica's sequel is just as grimdark as the original (or even more grimdark than the original) than what does that logically say about Madoka's sacrifice in Episode 12? Wouldn't it make it seem pointless, and foolish? Edit: In fairness, there is at least one way around this. And that's by bringing in a new, grim threat, that would have been there regardless of Madoka's sacrifice or lack thereof. A true villain, in all likelihood. But I have my doubts that this is Gen's style. Quote:
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But it would likely come off like the Rebuild of EVA movies, with all the pros and cons that this entails.
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2011-09-28, 04:02 | Link #3183 | |
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Frankly, thematically speaking Gen's a one trick pony. His central theme is always the same: karma. Whether is Phantom, Madoka, or Saya no Uta, the core of it is always the same. His talent lays in his ability to write about the same thing in so many different ways. Considering that, I think you'll see more Madoka is he finds a new way to revisit the themes Madoka dealt with. Whether it'll be a sequel or spin-off or whatever is probably no concern for him at all. EDIT: I watched your video btw. I liked it. Will write a PM about it when I have a bit more time.
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Particularly regarding what I mentioned about there being no point in Gen being involved in a non-dramatic follow-up to Madoka: I think that, minus Gen, there would not be all that much to differentiate a slice of life Madoka from Hidamari Sketch. As such, even though I believe that Aoki Ume's worldview as generally expressed in her works was very much an element in the formulation of Madoka, I think gravitating too quickly in that direction would greatly dilute Madoka's own identity. That's why I think it would be important to first reinforce Madoka's identity as a collaboration/joining of SHAFT/Ume and Urobochi's writing style before the franchise could safely be allowed to fall back into SHAFT's comfort zone. Quote:
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I more or less agree that there'll be no reason for Gen to hold back in terms of making new iterations into sequels or into spinoffs, though. I think it would be a mistake to continue applying the label "grimdark" to Urobochi's work in the same way as it was used previously. Urobochi should be perfectly capable of coming up with some new idea which is congruent with Madoka's hopeful message and yet has its own, Urobochi-like identity. We'll just have to wait to see if it really happens. lol, looking at what I've written above, it seems like what I'm saying is that continuations of Madoka should probably come in the form of an "Urobochi sequel" and an "Aoki sequel". But since Madoka marks a fairly significant departure from Urobochi's former/previous style, I think it'd be important for the "Urobochi sequel" to come first so that people can get a clearer picture of how the first Madoka fits into Gen's writing as a whole. |
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So, unless Gen begins to have a little more faith in humanity, he needs a character like Madoka for this sort of story to work. Personally though, I think it would be more interesting to have a protagonist that begins the story as a "Homura-like hero" but grows and changes during the course of the show to become a "Madoka-like hero" by the end. But writing such a character definitely requires more faith in humanity than Gen can manage, since he doesn't even believe such change is possible.
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2011-10-03, 10:16 | Link #3189 |
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For those who didn't know, today is Madoka's birthday. I actually just knew a moment ago.
Second question http://wiki.puella-magi.net/100_Questions Edit: Oh, it was already posted in character thread.
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2011-10-09, 03:49 | Link #3190 |
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Newtype Best anime awards: Newtype x Machi ★ Asobi!
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-new...newtype-awards http://ani.me/zine/home/article/1674/
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2011-10-09, 05:18 | Link #3191 |
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I don't see why people are against a slice of life sequel. It'll basically be an alternate world version of Madoka.
It's been done before with varying success, so let's just let it be and see what happens. Obviously it'll not be the same as the Madoka series we know and love, but it's probably meant to appeal to a different audience anyway.
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2011-10-09, 09:47 | Link #3192 |
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I just realized when I read about Kazumi Magica, there appears to be a possibility that a Puella Magi can use another person's Soul Gem to transform. I wonder what happened if Madoka kept Sayaka's soul gem for herself or if someone else used the Soul Gem.
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2011-10-09, 11:14 | Link #3193 | |
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2011-10-09, 12:37 | Link #3194 | |
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2011-10-09, 17:17 | Link #3195 | |
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Infact, the only case we have of someone using someone else's soul gem is a pair of people who are implied to be TWINS, or atleast sisters. Maybe they were able to loophole the system because both soul gems are assigned to the same DNA?
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2011-10-09, 23:35 | Link #3197 |
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I just think that the Soujous sharing a body is most likely a result of their wish. Something like they were twin sisters, one of them was dying, and they wished to always be together or something.
As for this whole Freezer thing, I'm getting the idea that Jyubey is rebelling against his masters. Which is either a good thing, or an AWFUL thing... He seems to have emotions, meaning he's mentally ill if so.
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