2020-07-14, 17:38
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and about your "traitors" this pretty much show the issue in the protests because some peoples only want to see and believe in what they want and anything not aligned with it will be called "traitor, or maybe racist(which is not your case), and all others ists, if you don't go full with the moviment and not ignore all the crap they are "also doing".
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2020-07-14, 22:06
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BLM or Antifa or Soros or whatever boogeyman conservatives believe in weren't the ones murdering people for decades.
There is no south park "both sides are equally bad" fallacy in play here. One side is clearly worse than the other. If people keep trying to look the other way and distort the story into "wow, BLM are the ones in the wrong here, not the police" than look at history and I'll tell you what happens. people couldn't stand a black guy kneeling during the national anthem a few years back. Now you have protests that become increasingly large. (which are still going on now) Than the lynchings started while this was still happening. Then people are blinded by "non lethal rounds" Then a revenge rape was arrange for police defunding. Don't expect people to just sit peacefully and not be violent anymore. //
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2020-07-15, 12:38
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The general preference is for a smoothly running, relatively orderly appearing society.
People, at least use to, want to feel good about their country. Until very recently, national pride was a major thing for most countries. That said, people also prefer that they be able to make enough money to stay fed and comfortable, and that has became more difficult. People also prefer not to be targeted based on something they have no control over. One does not choose their skin color, nor race. One usually doesn't have as much of a say in their religion or nationality either, while those can be changed, it is generally not an easy option. Being the majority tends to make one not be able to see the problems. But if the minorities react with violence against the majority, and the majority can't see the problem, the situation becomes worse, and the majority assume that the problem is the minority being violent and/or subversive to their society.
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2020-07-15, 18:58
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and more innocent lives, being take away, serious "how much lifes will take until this "BLM"????? or until "black lives matter" no matter how much black and white peoples get killed by the "pacific non "terrorists" peoples" are finally done???, the more i see the more disgusting i get from that "pacific peoples", if this is "being pacific" and if you are enough "hypocritical enough" to see this "actions as fine or justified or "ignore" srry for me don't matter if you are right, left, white, yellow, blue, orange, black, woman, man, alien, dog, deer, cat or whatever you "want to be crazy identified", violence and killing innocent peoples is wrong, if you like to fight "fire with fire" or fight violence with more violence" then don't get surprise if you aweake at the middle of a war, just because you are "fine with peoples going nuts and doing "crap things for the "good sake".
For what i can see "even black peoples are getting tired" of all that chaos and hate and this "so called pacific moviment and peoples" are start to losing support due to how low "pacific they are at the end". here another exemple yeah that is what happens when you "remove the police" from your citie, because you know "police are bad peoples" and we need to remove then to allow "good peoples" to do whatever they want.
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2020-07-16, 04:22
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You do realize that "defund the police" is not the same as "remove the police", right? Defund in the scientific setting means stopping militarizing the police and giving them the proper support they need to do their job instead of putting ALL jobs on them. Police Officers are not trained psychologists or doctors after all. Which is why we had Cops shoot mentally ill citizens and their caretakers because they were not trained to handle the situation of a person being unable to understand their orders, even when being told that the person they are dealing with has mental problems. The police training needs to be reformed and in general be the same in all the states of USA not have dozens of different training systems with sometimes pretty large differences.
Also if people can claim that police force is overall "good but only has a few bad apples" then the same applies to the BLM as well so the whole "all BLM activists are murderers, looters, rapists and Marxists" is hyperbole. Instead the "overall good (as it forces America to finally really look at its own dark past, deal with racial issues in its system, acknowledges that there is a violence problem in the Police Force, etc) but only has a few bad apples" should be addressed to them as well.
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2020-07-16, 10:33
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I have to agreed with James here, I swear that people need their facts straight, there is no way that they are going to remove the police, that is too dangerous but they are getting too much money, so you just reallocated to other departments or programs that will actually help the community so we wont have these problems in the first place.
@Blueknight78, I hate to say this (I really hate to say this) but what are you be putting down sound like those guys from Fox News. There is bad apples everywhere from the police to BLM, but I respect the Good Police who is trying to make a difference in the world (even know that as a black man, I dealt with mostly other kind) and BLM groups that is sick and tired about being opposed not only by police but other things including health care, jobs and others including commentary from creators that doesn't have any idea at all about this(that is how I feel all of the time).
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2020-07-16, 11:11
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that is one of my points, because no one from the "MBL" side want to acknowledge which they have "bad apples" and as the police need to be adressed, when you try to "show and adress" we see peoples like key board which automatically say which "racism" police killing black peoples and a lot of stuffs but are unable to "accept" which the moviment have issues and that issues need to be adressed, you don't fight "violoence with more violence, you are just making yourself looks equal to the "evil side", that is my issue, no ones seens to acknowledge which the "protests are not all pacific and the moviment is not that "perfect'' and a lot of hate and bigotry" is being spelled from the other side. About the "defund police" what you described is totally different from what is "happening" and that is the issue, instead of just "reduce the violence" and how much weapons the police have and what you are talking, peoples goes to extreme to "destroy/remove" the police, and we are seeying what is happened because of that, basically the "defund" police become remove the police in the mind of the "extremists" which due to all the situation and the power of internet and midia (specially jornals like cnn and NT, before peoples come and say yes fox news are not saint either but they are not exactly the ones pushing the remove and anger over all police and white peoples narrative which that jornals are pushing now), is making "non crazy but scared and desperated or tired peoples" to go with the bad apples and jump in the "police is evil let's remove then" bandwagon and cause all the chaos we are seeying in USA, the covid is being spread as a insane rate, peoples are almost ready for a civil war which will lead to even more "deaths. The moviment is losing its means in the moment it started to kill more "black peoples" and also now some white peoples, basically is "killing peoples" which for a moviment against killing peoples make no sense, without counting all the anger and hate which now or you "agreee with me" or you are my enemie feelings. Many things are wrong and it's seens which the ones with the power to "stop" that don't want because of "votes" and others stuffs like being "scared" to be "called". My point is which is time to the moviment "stop those extremists" inside the moviment show which they really want "black lives matter" and don't want any more deaths than being themselfs the ones now "causing more deaths". the problem with the police is clear and we need do something and that i agree 100% but this don' means which i must ignore the "bad apples in the other side" because the "moviment is more important", if we are adressing the violence on the police than we also must adress the violence in the moviment and show which they are not "the same monster" as the police as they claim. is too easy claim which we have bad apples in all sides and "only act toward the bad apples from a single tree and close our eyes for the bad "apples" from the others tree, just because now we hate only the "first tree" and "love the other tree to not make any action on that other tree. by doing and saying nothing toward the "bad apples" in the moviment you are also giving a pass to then keep doing what they are doing and the crime and violence increase, in the same way of doing nothing is giving a pass to the police keep being brutal, we need to take actions but not just on the police like "let's focus on police and ignore all others stuffs", which is what is happening now and start to back fire at the moviment since even black peoples are getting tired of all that crap.
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2020-07-17, 05:48
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Don't be stupid like this guy and the people angry at the police for what happened:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ce/5418416002/ Gotta love how every day the proof that the people "protesting" don't seem to know or understand what they are protesting just keeps piling up. But hey, the cops are the bad guys, right?
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2020-07-17, 13:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5F1...=youtu.be&t=35
Don't you find it suspicious that the clip posted by the police cut things short? They fired a bullet in Hakim Littleton's head as he was held down They are absolutely the bad guys But I guess they are going to use the "oh no, a big strong black guy threatened me, he's going to kill more of us, so I'll kill him just to be safe" This is why so many black Americans and pet dogs die to police officers. //
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Hakim wasn't "being held down", his friend gave himself up willingly to the officers were going to taking him away peacefully, but then Hakim being the idiot that he was approached the officers pulled out a gun from his pocket and fired at a police officers head and then he got shot for being stupid. Since apparently some of you can't read or are trying to ignore the truth, here, let me make it easier for you: Quote:
Next time at the very least read the information available before sharing your opinion.
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2020-07-17, 20:34
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watch the video
your police clip only tells the first half of the story. It doesn't tell what happens after that. I even linked the second where it happened. Here, I'll even repost it again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5F1...=youtu.be&t=63 I clearly see him being shot in the head, execution style after being down. Or is it legal to execute someone who is no longer a threat, now? If you don' think this is not a problem compare this to the number of school shooters have somehow been taken alive //
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he tried to kill the officer at this point anything happening was pretty much safe for the polices shot him down, specially him already having a past of violence, robbery and all, right???? don't matter he is a "black person" then he is getting a pass" from you because now what only matter is the collor right?? is because of peoples like you which make me really hard to stick with the BLM even after see this: it's really seens which the only thing you care is "to remove the police and allow all the chaos continue right because that is what i'm seeying as the objective of BLM and all protests, just have more chaos and terror to give peoples chance to go havock, robb, steal rape and murder more peoples while getting a pass from mayors totally idiots and allow crap happening in they towns.
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he was no longer a threat during that moment, and no amount of spin will change that fact.
There was no need to go out of way to shoot the guy in the head. What else can he do at that moment? scream obscenities at the police? Maybe that's how the police do it in Bolsonaro's regime, but I'd like to think a cop can't just murder someone or some dog just because they feel anxious. or slighted. Speaking of which. Tell me how many people did he kill? oh right. Zero. Now tell me know many people did Nikolaz Kruz kill? Seventeen. One is alive and the other is not. Somehow Kruz was a much lesser threat I guess! And it's really telling that all the cop apologist only show the first half of the clip on social media. It's as if they have something to hide. I wonder what could it be. You know what I want? for the police to stop murdering people just because they feel like they can get away with it. But enough of this. Quote:
https://www.opb.org/news/article/ore...olice-lawsuit/ //
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