Log Horizon Third Season - Anime Episode Discussion

[DarkJak2050]

Originally Posted by velvet nightmare

what's also strange is how westelande can just waltz in and claim dominion of the city and simply give ownership of the entire place to Eins.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Wait, is that what happened? I thought they just gave a title to Eins and he simply put the Wastelande flag on his estate.

Originally Posted by magnuskn

Yeah, your description is what happened, AFAIK. Could be the Westerlande will tryto claim dominion next episode, but so far its just symbolic.

Now that the Westeland nobles has a "connection" in Akiba (by bestowing the title of Duke of Akiba to Eins), there's the threat of the Round Table collapsing.

Right now, the Round Table's being supported by the Adventurers in Akihabara & the People of the Land.

The Round Table needs both of their support to stay in power & keeping Akihabara out of Westelande's hands.

Now that Westeland nobles has an "official" presense in Akihabara, the People of the Land could change their support. Depending on how the Westeland Nobles & Eins do things from here on out.

If the People of the Land were to start supporting the Westeland nobles & Eins, the Round Table's going to start collapsing & the Weastlande nobles will start to take over Akihabara.

And, let's also not forget about Rayneshia's arranged marriage. Odds are, that will play a huge factor into what's to come.

[Jan-Poo]

What do you think "people of the land" means exactly? It is just a term to identify the NPC, that means the nobles of Wastelande are also "people of the land" and so is Raynesia and the Eastal League.

What could happen is that the current relations between Akiba and Eastal will sour, because one of the prominent figures of the former has allied with Wastelande which is enemy of Eastal.

[RDNexus]

I think the author officially named them "Landers"?
They're pretty much the inhabitants of that world.
But I'm not sure if a reason for those namings was given.
If it was given, I've simply long forgotten about it...

[magnuskn]

Alrighty, more building up the tension. Let's see if Shiroe will come up with one of his infamous plans soon, instead of having to react to circumstances.

[VTHokiePride]

War is coming to Akiba. It seems inevitable at this point.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't remember. Do the adventurers even need to eat? Though I understand that they like it.

[Friday]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I don't remember. Do the adventurers even need to eat? Though I understand that they like it.

yes they eat, it was shown in season 1

Spoiler for my impression of Eins is::

(wishful thinking.......) Hopefully Eins is not under any spells, based on the last 2 seasons, he's not the type to upset the Round Table or his own Guild

As of now, since he took the title of “Duke” he is no longer a member of The Round Table and does not have the right to ask and form a Government as Akiba is an Adventurer Town they been doing well since the formation of TRT.

As a “Duke” which was given to him by a Noble from "Westlande", his Guild is now effectively a Embassy and have no influence on Daily Activity of the Town.

As Karashin was mentioning to Issac that some guild members of Honesty left and went through Karashin guild to try and join B.S.K Guild and when that happens you know that either they left on their own free will or there something wrong within Honesty Guild

my 2 cents....

[Jan-Poo]

Adventurers are essentially immortals as they can infinitely respawn, so they won't die of starvation even without food. However the quality of life would drastically drop if they could no longer eat.

Eins has no authority over the adventurers and subjugating immortal beings is going to be extremely difficult even if he had a huge army. However Akiba is already full of people of the land and they already recognize him as the de facto authority, and not only them, all the surrounding area do so as well.

So if Eins proclaims himself ruler of Akiba, the remaining adventurers would need to openly challenge him, and it could escalate into a civil war where every people of the land would side with Eins. Even if the free adventurers won, the people of the land would still turn their back on them. And since their comfortable life fully depends on the people of the land, well, that's why Eins holds all the cards in his hand and everyone else is screwed.

I wonder what Shiroe is going to do about this whole situation. Will he manage to stop Eins' plans, or will he end up supporting the creation of a government? Even so, he'll probably change the situation to his advantage.

[frodonk]

This episode basically told us Intix is behind all these, but I don't see the entire connection yet.

[Wandering Soul]

Eins has really put Shiroe and the rest of the round table in a rough spot. Considering the name of this season, the Adventurers may have a new form of government once this is over.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Adventurers are essentially immortals as they can infinitely respawn, so they won't die of starvation even without food. However the quality of life would drastically drop if they could no longer eat.

Eins has no authority over the adventurers and subjugating immortal beings is going to be extremely difficult even if he had a huge army. However Akiba is already full of people of the land and they already recognize him as the de facto authority, and not only them, all the surrounding area do so as well.

So if Eins proclaims himself ruler of Akiba, the remaining adventurers would need to openly challenge him, and it could escalate into a civil war where every people of the land would side with Eins. Even if the free adventurers won, the people of the land would still turn their back on them.

Would they? The People of the Land support Eins on the premise he will protect them. But if the other adventurers publicly humiliate him, kill his people and break his stuff, that'll change.

The problem is that the Adventurers aren't united enough to say "this is our land, and these are our rules, which don't include subservience to People of the Land's bullshit aristocracy".

[DarkJak2050]

Okay, all I can say now is the ball is in the court.

We know what'll happen because of the "preview" that was shown at the start of Episode 1. But now we're about to see how it all happens.

And it turns out that I was right on some parts with my last post;

Spoiler for Foreseen Thoughts:

With Eins now being the Duke of Akiba, the People of the Land are turning their support away from the Round Table & towards him. Making things difficult for the Round Table.

And Raynehsia's arranged marriage could be the final nail in the coffin for the Round Table.

Now, on a side note...

Spoiler for Side-Note:

We also see that things aren't really that "peachy" in Minami & Plant Hwyaden either.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Would they? The People of the Land support Eins on the premise he will protect them. But if the other adventurers publicly humiliate him, kill his people and break his stuff, that'll change.

The problem is that the Adventurers aren't united enough to say "this is our land, and these are our rules, which don't include subservience to People of the Land's bullshit aristocracy".

That'd be asking for a war against the People of the Land, which the Adventurers don't want. If they raise their hands against Eins now, they raise their hands against the aristocracy. Violence isn't the solution.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Would they? The People of the Land support Eins on the premise he will protect them. But if the other adventurers publicly humiliate him, kill his people and break his stuff, that'll change.

There's some sort of religion involved here, Eins was appointed by the Saiguu family which is considered sacred both for its role as spiritual leader and for descending from the original emperor. Going against Eins would mean going against the Saiguu family that is respected by every people of the land of Yamato. So there's more than simple self-interest from the people of the land.

So in other words in order to subvert the situation you need to start a revolution and completely change the people of the land's mindset, but without a proper government the people of the land will hardly ever want to side with a bunch of adventurers.

The other option would be to force the people of the land into obedience. But that could escalate in a full war against both eastal and westelande, but more importantly the majority of the adventurers of Akiba would not agree with that plan.

Also let's not forget that honesty is one of the biggest guild of Akiba, and it became even bigger after Krusty disappeared, with old D.D.D. members switching over. Its members might not be battle hardened as D.D.D. or Black Sword Knights, but they are still a battle oriented guild. When you consider they have infinite respawn, you are looking for a conflict that could last forever.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That'd be asking for a war against the People of the Land, which the Adventurers don't want. If they raise their hands against Eins now, they raise their hands against the aristocracy. Violence isn't the solution.

If there's an alternative, sure, but if not, violence should absolutely be on the table.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

There's some sort of religion involved here, Eins was appointed by the Saiguu family which is considered sacred both for its role as spiritual leader and for descending from the original emperor. Going against Eins would mean going against the Saiguu family that is respected by every people of the land of Yamato. So there's more than simple self-interest from the people of the land.

So in other words in order to subvert the situation you need to start a revolution and completely change the people of the land's mindset, but without a proper government the people of the land will hardly ever want to side with a bunch of adventurers.

The other option would be to force the people of the land into obedience. But that could escalate in a full war against both eastal and westelande, but more importantly the majority of the adventurers of Akiba would not agree with that plan.

Also let's not forget that honesty is one of the biggest guild of Akiba, and it became even bigger after Krusty disappeared, with old D.D.D. members switching over. Its members might not be battle hardened as D.D.D. or Black Sword Knights, but they are still a battle oriented guild. When you consider they have infinite respawn, you are looking for a conflict that could last forever.

Maybe they can ally with Eastal against Westeland. Maybe not. Either way,
it looks to me like Westeland is only going to wait for a bit before turning the screws, so they'd better ask themselves how far they're willing to take it.

And isn't Honesty full of low level members? That's the impression I got from this season's dialogues.

[Magewolf]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

There's some sort of religion involved here, Eins was appointed by the Saiguu family which is considered sacred both for its role as spiritual leader and for descending from the original emperor. Going against Eins would mean going against the Saiguu family that is respected by every people of the land of Yamato. So there's more than simple self-interest from the people of the land.

So in other words in order to subvert the situation you need to start a revolution and completely change the people of the land's mindset, but without a proper government the people of the land will hardly ever want to side with a bunch of adventurers.

The other option would be to force the people of the land into obedience. But that could escalate in a full war against both eastal and westelande, but more importantly the majority of the adventurers of Akiba would not agree with that plan.

Also let's not forget that honesty is one of the biggest guild of Akiba, and it became even bigger after Krusty disappeared, with old D.D.D. members switching over. Its members might not be battle hardened as D.D.D. or Black Sword Knights, but they are still a battle oriented guild. When you consider they have infinite respawn, you are looking for a conflict that could last forever.

It is one of the biggest but it also has the lowest average level. And there is no infinite respawn so if they try to zerg the only thing they will do is break their own minds. If it comes to a fight Honesty has already lost so they are counting on the other guilds to blink. Honestly(ha) it is almost like saying "Do what I want or I will kill myself".

[Twi]

They could always just burn down the cathedral.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Twi

They could always just burn down the cathedral.

That would be an act stupid beyond belief. If it even works.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Twi

They could always just burn down the cathedral.

Wouldn't that only mean people would just spawn in the next closest spawn point? All that would do is slow things down an and it doesn't help them either.

[Jan-Poo]

Yeah and at that point most adventurers would pretty much abandon Akiba and settle in some other place that has a respawn point.

So assuming it was possible to begin with (maybe the Cathedral is just decoration and the actual respawn point is intangible), destroying the respawn point would mean the end of everything they have built so far.