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That depends on who you ask. Almost no one would say that Seed or Destiny's choreography was very good, but opnions vary greatly when discussing the other shows. I'm not really an action fan, but I only really liked the combat in Victory Gundam, and to lesser extents, 08th MS Team and Turn A.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Durandal made the most of what he had available given that most of his plan had already been ruined.
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2008-02-22, 09:15 | Link #1042 |
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Well, Rey is one of the most notable examples of how to f*** up a character just by jumping straight from one end of character development to another. And yeah, Shinn maybe ended up just as the authors planned (though I just rely on what you said), but I expected him to be the protagonist. The one to get at least as much attention as Kira had in the previous series. I'd somehow bare Athrun as a "second" main POV again, but they just had to dump in Kira, Lacus and dozens side-stories, which they, of course, had to cut short "straight to the end" with the expense of quality and, as we see in the case of Rey, consistence.
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2008-02-22, 09:49 | Link #1043 | |
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By the way, I think that Durandal fits better as the protagonist.
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2008-02-22, 09:50 | Link #1044 | |
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also GSM is real besides it's TOP SECRET so just wait for GSM besides all i'm doing is just to INNOVATE some GS on ya life because i'm just opening a door to a new generation because of GS. & really GS fans should really do something for GS like get a mini GS series, prequal GS series/special/ova, GS spinoff, etc to the "gundam HQ" for a new era of gundam series in GS.
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2008-02-22, 10:00 | Link #1045 | ||
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Because you annoy us and we don't like you, and the only reason i can think of why the mods havent banned you for trolling it that they don't like us
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2008-02-22, 15:14 | Link #1046 | |
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A mature grown-up politician with ambiguous morality as the main hero of the whole Gundam series? To me, it'd not work. And I think it'd also not seem that appealing in the eyes of other SEED fans who are used to their teenage emotional berserk prodigies |
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2008-02-22, 16:14 | Link #1047 | |
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A protagonist and a hero aren't necessarily synonymous. I think that Durandal fits the former, but he certainly doesn't fit the latter. The creators seemed to be trying to do something very different with Destiny; and as a result, it is in many ways, the most unGundam of all the Gundam TV shows.
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2008-02-22, 17:04 | Link #1048 | |
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I don't think so, either. That's why I wrote what I wrote.
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And well, I still think that Dullindal wouldn't work out as a protagonist OR hero of any SEED series. Maybe in some Astray or mini-series, but never of such a long 50-ep show. |
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2008-02-22, 21:10 | Link #1049 | |
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you know do something amazing, shocking, surprise, omg, etc for GS like send your idea for a GS project or something besides there already GS amv & GS fanfic so what about a GS series/spinoff/ova/special that is made by fans to be anime showing. come on i really want GS fans to make something in their lives.
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2008-02-22, 22:27 | Link #1050 | ||
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Under the same kind of scrutiny, Gundam 00 doesn't really have a protagonist yet.
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2008-02-23, 05:55 | Link #1051 | ||
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I don't think so. I'd say that in the 50-ep series it was Shinn with Athrun as the "secondary protagonist" like he was in SEED. But then, towards the end, the show indeed scrambles and that's what I basically perceive as one of the greatest mistakes of Destiny. |
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2008-02-23, 14:20 | Link #1053 | ||
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The fact that most viewers wouldn't identify themselves with Durandal isn't all that important since most readers aren't supposed to necessarily identify with Don Quixote or Sherlock Holmes or any number of unusual protagonists in literature.
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2008-02-23, 17:34 | Link #1054 | ||
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One thing. Sherlock and Don Quixote HAD most of the reader's attention focused on them. It's like they had literary "most screentime" among the protagonists of the stories. Just like Kira in SEED. Or Shinn in Destiny, but only until the second half of the show, sadly. Last edited by Sir Dearka; 2008-02-23 at 17:47. |
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2008-02-23, 19:34 | Link #1055 | ||
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Not really. That would belong to Watson and Sancho Panza respectively.
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2008-02-24, 12:43 | Link #1056 | ||
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Who to me are like Athrun in both CE series. Intended to play a supporting role to Kira, then Shinn respectively. But still having many moments and even overshadowing the main protagonists at times. This could be mainly noticed in Destiny Special Editions where Athrun is not only one of the main protagonists, but also a the narrator. |
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2008-02-24, 14:04 | Link #1057 |
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Not really. I know I pointed this out to you earlier, but the Seed verse is closer to the "core" Gundam than just about any other series. Different characters and superficial ideologies can make it distinct, but it doesn't make it original. The basic plot of the Seed Verse comes straight from the Gundam series, with the main alterations being rather minor overall. Compare the base three UC series to G, Wing, 00, and Seed, and Seed comes closest to the orignals of them all. That doesn't make it unGundamish.
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2008-02-24, 14:25 | Link #1058 | |
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To make some sort of an analogy: Take the "Red Riding Hood" fairly tale, for instance. Even if the same story is made into a porn movie, the production by no means would be classified as a fairy tale. It'd rather be classified as a porn movie. So if you put the porn version "Red Riding Hood" among the traditional fairy tales, it'd still "stick out" with its "unconventional form". And it'd be considered as a very "un-fairy tale" product, despite the similar plot which underwent some "artistic changes" and was added a couple of "additional original scenes". |
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2008-02-24, 14:41 | Link #1059 | ||
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Now, you might want to reword your opinion so that it doesn't contradict established definitions: you might want to say that "Gundam Seed tells it a story in a unique mood with different emphasis on character." That could successfully be argued. Saying that Seed is remarkably "unGundamish" runs against most of the measures by what that would be measured by. Quote:
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2008-02-24, 14:49 | Link #1060 |
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I don't think that those analogies are bad as what really did not tick here are our POVs on "what is "Robin Hood"ish what's not". Notice that I by no means said that everyone should perceive SEED as "unGundamish". The contrary. However, I just tried to make one see that the show is indeed very original in many terms. The sole fact that there is war and Gundams and the fact that it was supposed to be a homage to the first series already makes it very GUNDAMISH (we all know that the prerequisites a series has to fiulfill to become a Gundam show so far became very "loose"). Still, if we judged it only by its designs and not-that-superficial but very strong "soap drama" character development, it's a very remarkable series by its own right. That's basically it. |
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