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1. Not a notice for the re-broadcasting. 2. Not a notice for a new novel. 3. BD/DVD v7 already comes with an OVA that was not aired on TV (in addition to the 6 Lite episodes) Since it's not something for the re-broadcasting, a new novel, or an OVA (it's already getting one), it has to be something like a new season (fitting the "renewed" aspect) or a movie.
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2013-04-24, 19:44 | Link #1662 | |
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2013-04-24, 20:08 | Link #1663 |
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I think I need to explain better.
1. Taking anime originals over adaptations or existing franchises. My hit rate for anime originals are substantially higher than for adaptations and sequels. Also 9 times out of 10, sequels are not as good as its first season (though they are some rare exceptions). So, I do have a natural tendency of bias to be more positive of anime originals (at the premise/announcement and first impression stage) than I do for sequels or adaptations. Even more so if an adaptation is from a LN source which is becoming my least favourite medium for adaptation unless the premise says otherwise (Kyoukai no Kanata being one of those exceptions that is specifically in relation to Kyoani). 2. Sequels/Franchises amounting to milking Firstly, I said "largely" not all the time. It depends on the circumstances. Say you're sequel or franchise was some standard slice of life/romcom/comedy LN adaptation and you're continuing it... well I'll more lean towards it as "milking". If however, you're something more rare, different and "epic" (Literal sense) like "Game of Thrones" or "Moribito" to use some examples given, then no that wouldn't be milking. Unfortunately, the significant amount of adaptations are from this LN adaptation field at this moment. Though to credit to Kyoani, their adaptations are definitely more polished on the whole than a adaptation from JC Staff generally. 3. Kyoto Animation anime originals They've only done two. One in 2004 (Munto) and one last season in Tamako Market. It is true that both weren't exactly stellar, but in no way did I say I didn't want Kyoani to make more, because I'm pretty sure they will make a big hit some day or another (afterall Kyoani have brilliant animators and on the whole consistent pacing, whilst lacking in the content area). They are still substantially behind other studios like Production IG, A-1 Pictures and P.A Works in this "anime original department", but I'm sure if they actually put in "effort" (unlike Tamako Market), they could become a key player. They still got a lot to prove though in that field. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2013-04-24 at 20:45. |
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Animation studios should be evaluated on what's true for their own body of work, not necessarily for what's true of anime in general, imo. And in KyoAni's case, I see a studio with a much better track record with adaptation work than with anime originals, and I see a studio that's very good with sequels. After Story I'd put ahead of Clannad Season 1, K-On's 2nd season I'd also put ahead of K-On's first season, Haruhi 2006 I'd admittedly put ahead of Haruhi 2009 - So that's two out of three cases where the sequel was better than the original, imo.
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2013-04-24, 21:04 | Link #1665 |
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I don't think there's a fundamental difference between doing an original project and adapting something else, production-wise. The only major thing I can think of is that the director would probably be much more involved with direction of the story, characters and plot developments, but even that varies from case to case and doesn't compromise the other aspects of the show.
If we're talking about Kyoani as an animation studio, Tamako Market is still a very above average show. If your issues with it lie on its storyline, faulting the studio as a whole is disingenuous. At any rate, Yamada and Yoshida would be responsible. It's unreasonable to use that as a precedent to be wary of other original projects by the same studio if the writer(s) and director are different. |
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2013-04-24, 21:23 | Link #1667 | |
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2013-04-24, 21:31 | Link #1668 |
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I think Takemoto is Kyoani's best director. The guy was the head director for FMP, FMP: Fumoffu, Dissappearance and Hyouka. Pretty damn impressive.
Kyoani anime original directed by this guy please. With Gen Orobuchi writing it to totally turn Kyoani's reputation of "moe" upside down . |
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And Haruhi takes its supernatural/sci-fi/fantasy elements very seriously. They're not there just to spice up the narrative. Anybody who watched the Disappearance movie should be able to recognize that. Also, the plot in Haruhi is far too important for it to be considered "Slice of Life". Finally, Haruhi is very different from your standard romcon modern LN adaptation. Quote:
With this in mind, KyoAni is noted for being exceptionally good at adaptations. People frequently, and rightly, rave about its impressive fidelity to the source material. So why shouldn't KyoAni continue to do adaptation work? It's an area of considerable strength for KyoAni, as it's something that KyoAni is uniquely good at. I think it would be a terrible shame for that strength to go unused due to overemphasis on anime original work. Quote:
The quality of an anime original will be highly influenced by the writing quality of whoever writes it. We see this with Guilty Crown, Gen Urobuchi anime-original works, and Mari Okada anime-original works. There's no guarantee that KyoAni will manage to procure a great writer for its next anime original work. At least with more Haruhi, we know its source material is being wrote by a very good and meticulous writer. Quote:
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KyoAni has shown that it is very good at making sequels.
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After letting it settle down, I'll go as far and say that Hyouka might be my favourite Kyoani anime of all time now, definitely beating Clannad After Story, and possibly even FMP:TSR. That show is actually aging very well in my books. |
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And also like Nanoha (the anime portions, anyway), I think that Haruhi handles this blend exceptionally well, making for a more interesting whole. Tastes and opinions will vary, of course. I can see where you're coming from. But I just hope nobody thinks that Haruhi is your standard LN romcom adaptation (you know, those LNs with the (in)famously long names ). It's much different than that, imo. However, I'll admit it's not as hardcore in its sci-fi as SSY or Psycho-Pass is. Quote:
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So I can easily counter with... What if KyoAni adapted the VN G Senjou no Maou? I'm pretty sure you'd be pretty pumped about that. If KyoAni does great work, I don't particularly care if its anime original, adaptation, sequel, whatever. Well, like I wrote before, I hope they don't give up adaptations completely, because that's something they're uniquely good at. But other than that, I don't really care. Now I do want to see the anime world in general to continue to do a fair number of anime originals since I think this industry can sometimes become too reliant on source material providers. But if studios like Production I.G. and P.A. Works covers this, I'm not that concerned with how many anime originals other studios come out with. Anyway, I'll judge each new KyoAni project on a case-by-case basis.
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2013-04-24, 23:29 | Link #1673 | |
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2013-04-24, 23:41 | Link #1674 | |
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Sometimes I wish J.C. Staff had gotten Haruhi instead of Kyoto Animation. J.C. Staff might not include quite as many artistic flourishes as KyoAni, but one area where I'm sure they would have succeeded is actually telling the damn story. KyoAni seems more intent on being artsy-fartsy and making the Haruhi 'experience' an interesting one than they are interested in actually adapting the Light Novels and letting it stand on its own merits as a story. Sure, it's cool that the repetition of Endless Eight helped you understand the characters' pain better, or that there were those cryptic web animations in 2007 and 2008 hinting at Season 2's Spring 2009 air date, but where does 'actually adapting the remaining seven Light Novels' come in? It seems at times like KyoAni cared about Haruhi more as a gimmick and as a meta experience than an actual story, seeing as the anime basically disappeared into a void with little indication that they ever plan to tell any more of the story. |
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I still think Haruhi is Kyoani's crowning achievement, aside from that Endless 8 fiasco. FMP TSR and Hyouka are not that far behind. It really is a damn shame that Kyoani doesn't adapt more of what is their most popular franchise besides K-ON! They basically have a license to print free money and they're not using it.
I imagine that the studio is trying to expand its bases so as to not become dependent on one or two franchises, but there really should be a limit to their shenanigans. Yes, yes it's Kadokawa who has to give the go ahead, but I'm sure if KyoAni pushed for it they would be able to do it.
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According to that FMP rumour posted some time ago, they don't want to continue doing Haruhi because they consider that they "moved on" after Disappearance.
I don't care if it's true or not (and it's probably not, I wouldn't give much credibility to it even if some of its predictions were spot-on), but I do think similarly. If you disregard the existence of the LNs, Disappearance can absolutely stand as a pretty organic end to the series and there's no narrative obligation to keep going (besides, of course, the fact that more material is available). Quote:
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On the other hand, I thought Chuunibyou was extremely weak. Probably their worst work since Haruhi 2009/Munto, and coming right after the amazing Hyouka it gets even more pronounced. Weak colour palette and art direction, not quite the same level of polish in the animation (Hyouka and Nichijou are so much better it isn't even funny), and the direction was extremely inconsistent. Even people who normally do great jobs produced subpar work. The finale was particularly egregious, and it was done by one of their best directors, Ishidate! I didn't really care for any of the characters either (Rikka has almost no personality and Kumin is a glorified gimmick, for example), and the story was mediocre at best with some pretty cringeworthy moments (like, say, the entire finale) and a message that was too reductive and heavy-handed for my taste. The comedy in the first half was really good though, I liked episodes 5 and 6 a lot. So yeah, I also think Takemoto is their best director, but followed very closely by Kigami (Tamako 9 is the best thing to come out of the studio since I don't know, Hyouka 21. Maybe even better.). |
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Hyoka is a different case given that Gatou Shouji was pulled in to handle the story (and to punch me in the gut by not being a FMP show ).
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2013-04-25, 07:29 | Link #1678 | |
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The interesting part about Hyouka is that, outside of Gatoh's episodes, every episode's script was written by a KyoAni employee. Therefore, going by that, your point should be that more scripts should be written by the "KyoAni" entity and they shouldn't outsource them instead.
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2013-04-25, 08:07 | Link #1679 | ||
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Disappearance is a terrible point to end off on, imo. And just to show that I'm not a guy who wants more anime of a certain property just because there's more source material of it out there - I'd be completely content if KyoAni makes no more K-On, even though there is K-On manga material still out there that could be adapted into anime, and even though I liked K-On's second season a lot. Why would I be content about this? Because the K-On movie actually can absolutely stand as an organic end to the series. So can the ending to K-On's second season, imo. The K-On anime feels very solidly "completed" to me, as a narrative, as a story. You could tell more, but you don't have to in order for the story to feel complete. Quote:
KyoAni is not perfect. It does have its weaknesses. Dextro is right that KyoAni has not shown anywhere near the same consistent strength with their story-writing as they have with most other aspects of their productions.
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