[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Marion

Well the guy is definietly a meta-character, but the girl/boy in red has black irises in the game art, so they're almost definietly a human character.

Actually, yeah, has there ever been a human character without black irises?

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Actually, yeah, has there ever been a human character without black irises?

Maria's eyes are purple I think. Ange's are indigo it's kind of dark so you can't tell immediately, but they're definitely not black. And there's always Erika...

[Almazluverdis3]

Originally Posted by Judoh

We know that Ryukishi likes to color code things and that the different colors might mean different things for him. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that guy was a human character or vice versa.

Me neither. Ryukushi is full of surprises.

[Almazluverdis3]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Actually, yeah, has there ever been a human character without black irises?

Maria. Erika. Young Eva.

EDIT: ANGE and Kinzo when he's all creepy. It goes brown.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Almazluverdis3

Maria. Erika. Young Eva.

EDIT: ANGE and Kinzo when he's all creepy. It goes brown.

All three of them have become either meta or are witches. Kinzo is also a summoner, so it makes sense as well.

[Almazluverdis3]

Originally Posted by Marion

All three of them have become either meta or are witches. Kinzo is also a summoner, so it makes sense as well.

But they are humans. Whatever. If you stare hard enough Natsuhi's eyes become BROWN. Take that.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Almazluverdis3

But they are humans. Whatever. If you stare hard enough Natsuhi's eyes become BROWN. Take that.

The black eyes are actually a really dark shade of brown, it seems.

What I'm most surprised about is that BATTLER's eyes didn't turn blue, to be honest.

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

The black eyes are actually a really dark shade of brown, it seems.

What I'm most surprised about is that BATTLER's eyes didn't turn blue, to be honest.

That'd be too much work. He was too lazy to even use actual screenshots for the "And then I knew" scene. And guess where that ended up?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Judoh

That'd be too much work. He was too lazy to even use actual screenshots for the "And then I knew" scene. And guess where that ended up?

I'm still not convinced that isn't intentional somehow. Remember 'Rosa'?

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I'm still not convinced that isn't intentional somehow. Remember 'Rosa'?

Of course I remember 'Rosa'. I'm the guy who found out it's not supposed to be Rosa! That little ditty got in my sig it was so spontaneous.

I still kind of think it's a weird error myself

[Almazluverdis3]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

The black eyes are actually a really dark shade of brown, it seems.

What I'm most surprised about is that BATTLER's eyes didn't turn blue, to be honest.

I'm not. Maybe Mahou Magic Battler is just Battler in a cape.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Judoh

Of course I remember 'Rosa'. I'm the guy who found out it's not supposed to be Rosa! That little ditty got in my sig it was so spontaneous.

No, no, I'm talking about this red text, from the end of Ep2: Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them.

Not Rosa. 'Rosa'. (Oyashiro-samaBeatrice 'exists', uu.)

That has to be significant but I've never figured out how.

Originally Posted by Almazluverdis3

I'm not. Maybe Mahou Magic Battler is just Battler in a cape.

He's basically a meta-character at this point. He and Piece-Battler are completely different people now.

[Almazluverdis3]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

No, no, I'm talking about this red text, from the end of Ep2: Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them.

Not Rosa. 'Rosa'. (Oyashiro-samaBeatrice 'exists', uu.)

That has to be significant but I've never figured out how.



He's basically a meta-character at this point. He and Piece-Battler are completely different people now.

I know.

Maybe 'Rosa' is another Rosa witch clone.

Almaz text is MINE.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

No, no, I'm talking about this red text, from the end of Ep2: Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them.

Not Rosa. 'Rosa'. (Oyashiro-samaBeatrice 'exists', uu.)

That has to be significant but I've never figured out how.

The name is used in quotes like that manner exactly once in the entire text. And there's still no good clues explaining if there is any reason for this or not.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

He's basically a meta-character at this point. He and Piece-Battler are completely different people now.

...Meta-Battler files for divorce with Piece-Battler so that he can marry Meta-Beatrice...

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

No, no, I'm talking about this red text, from the end of Ep2: Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them.

I don't know where the quotes in that red came from (is it that way in the game? I'm not sure). I've sometimes wondered how she got all 5 keys though. She should have collected Kanon's key from Jessica's pocket, and the other three are from Genji, Shannon, and Gohda, but how she got Kumasawa's key when she's supposedly missing is something I'm not sure of. How'd she get that one when she's missing? I guess Jessica's key to her room could have been that master key and Rosa used that to demonstate how it locks and unlocks the room, but it doesn't make a lot of sense why she'd lie about that.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Oliver

The name is used in quotes like that manner exactly once in the entire text. And there's still no good clues explaining if there is any reason for this or not.

It just bothers me. I've continually felt, ever since finishing Ep4 and finally beginning to understand how Umineko works, that there's something staring us all in the face that we're refusing to see.

[Kylon99]

By the way... why IS it that if we think Kanon is a robot, like he can be programmed to kill that it feels like it makes so much sense? Including why he refers to himself as furniture. 8)

Obviously he can't be a robot. (Except for that Umineko The Sims video.)

Is there anything in real life that can be the same? Hypnosis? Except that's not how hypnosis really works? Brain washing?

These theories are really far out... is there something more reasonable?

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Almazluverdis3

But they are humans. Whatever. If you stare hard enough Natsuhi's eyes become BROWN. Take that.

Erika even existing is debatable and Young Eva is Eva's personification of her resentment towards her family. Maria is a bit different, but she is even considered to be a witch on some level.

I think you're looking at this eye color thing a bit too much. All I pointed out was that the blonde had black irises, while all other magical characters presented up to this point do not.

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Kylon99

These theories are really far out... is there something more reasonable?

Military training. Or rather Pavlov's dog techniques (which is an idea behind said military training). Or just indoctrination works too.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Judoh

I don't know where the quotes in that red came from (is it that way in the game? I'm not sure).

It is, and it's never once brought up again.

Originally Posted by Judoh

How'd she get that one when she's missing?

Both Kumasawa's key and Kanon's key (held at the time by Nanjo) were found by Rosa inside a Beatrice letter, left in the servant room after the Zombie Kanon incident.

Interestingly, it, unlike the other letters of its kind, has a postscript relevant to the current situation...

Originally Posted by Kylon99

Brain washing?

Kanon COULD be a trained assassin, raised from birth to be a sociopathic killer.

It'd explain all the descriptions of him being "silent" and generally acting like a ninja, at least.