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Master_Yoma · 2012-05-27, 21:35

Even in english deadman wonderland the maid character is still just so annoying it was a poor choice and Casshern Sins wont look like it will do well

Lost Cause · 2012-05-28, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Solace

There's a few reasons why there's no money.

1. Toonami ended because of low ratings. It cost a lot of money to produce, so the network is waiting to see if the ratings justify more money.

2. Adult Swim has made a lot of money airing original low budget comedy shows. This is a good return on investment versus something like Toonami which requires licensing and other overhead to keep fresh.

3. Anime ratings on AS have tanked over the years. Toonami could help renew interest, but it's possible the audience has moved on despite a vocal minority pushing for a better block of anime.

If CN's parent company sees good ratings in this, money will be increased and the block will see slicker production and more variety in shows. I think that'll be a given, considering how terrible AS's anime block was.

Thanks for clarifying that Solace, I was under the impression that given Steve Blum's recent popularity as a voice actor and successfully making the jump from anime only to the more accepted, widely distributed US cartoons that he was asking some absurd amount of money for his role as TOM.
As for the Internet being "smart tv", I guess I arrived late on the scene, but I find the various "illicit sites" overrated and for pay per view sites, well I already pay for my satillite service so what's the point?
I'll stick too watching Toonami and buying my anime thru the appropriate sites! And I am enjoying the two new shows on Toonami.

**Solace** · 2012-05-28, 14:04

Steve's doing it for free actually. Which is saying a lot, considering he could easily command a premium price for his work these days.

As for the internet versus television stuff, well, lots of people do still watch television, myself included. I'm not the regular watching of AS that I used to be, in part because of how much I feel they've moved from their roots as a network. I know a lot of people like their newer stuff, but originally AS was meant to be an adult animation programming block. Instead it's dominated by heavy reruns of FOX animations and cheaply produced live action comedy that tends to parody bad network television.

What I fear most is that Toonami will fail not because of interest, but because of high expectations. Too many people riding on nostalgia, trying to recapture their childhood, and not enough people who understand how the business side of television works.

AS can afford to stay low budget and pull in ratings. Comedy is cheap to make. Toonami won't have that luxury. I'd love to be filthy rich so I could donate to help them out, but for now all I can do is tune in and hope for the best.

Dilla · 2012-05-28, 15:31

Deadman Wonderland was a perfect choice. However, while I don't mind Casshern Sins itself, I don't think it was the right choice for a returning block that is low on money and needs ratings to survive. It's too slow and philosophical and would have been better at a later point when Toonami became better solidified. They should have gone with Panty & Stocking instead, but I guess FUNimation offered it at a discounted price to move more units (along with AS not thinking it would work for some reason).

Edit: That's not to say that I don't see the appeal to the Adult Swim guys. It's has that retro appeal that AS appears to love so much. I just think it was put on the block too soon.

Dann of Thursday · 2012-05-28, 16:45

I admit I love to see it back, even if it won't be quite the same. Those golden days have passed. Still, I always just liked the general atmosphere of the block despite it being simpler to just watch stuff online.

Casshern Sins is indeed an odd choice. I've never seen it, but I'm familiar with its premise and style are and agree that it seems like a choice that might have been better down the line. Deadman Wonderland works well and I didn't even have any interest in it originally.

Hopefully the block does well enough that they can expand and get some new shows for air. I'd love to see shows like Baccano, Steins;Gate, or perhaps airing films like perhaps Gundam Unicorn (not sure how that would work with Bandai).

Still, I kind of find myself doubting how successful it will be despite wanting to hope otherwise. I'll enjoy it however long it lasts though.

FaiEatsRainbows · 2012-05-29, 14:19

I'm really dissapointed in myself for missing last weekends airing. I haven't seen Casshern Sins, but it does seem like a odd choice from what I've heard. I think it won't strike that big of an audience. Deadman wonderland is great though, and I feel like many people will find themselves in love with it. Hopefully they will start airing some older shows though, but I doubt it because of money.

Slayerx · 2012-06-02, 01:08

In case anyone's interested, we got ratings info on how toonami did last week

Bleach: 1,060,000 (12 AM) and 580,000 (3 AM)
Deadman Wonderland: 860,000 (12:30 AM) and 557,000 (3:30 AM)
Casshern Sins: 796,000 (1 AM) and 488,000 (4 AM)
Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood: 699,000 (1:30 AM) and 473,000 (4:30 AM)
Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig: 698,000 (2 AM) and 450,000 (5 AM)I
Cowboy Bebop: 669,000 (2:30 AM) and 419,000 (5:30 AM)

That's actually a big improvement from the previous week which was terrible, but i think its more or less about par for the course for how Adult Swim usually does on saturday nights (the previous week was unusually bad). From what i heard, i think DeMarco has said that they ratings were decent enough to keep toonami around... however, I would say that the ratings need to be better if the block is going to actually changed things for the better; by which i mean getting the funding for more kick ass shows and better promos and such.

word sux · 2012-06-02, 17:01

I also have to agree that casshern sins is a curious choice. The rest however is a very solid lineup

ellifeedn · 2012-06-02, 20:39

I have to wonder who would be up between 3 and 6 AM to watch TV.

Slayerx · 2012-06-02, 21:00

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Originally Posted by ellifeedn

I have to wonder who would be up between 3 and 6 AM to watch TV.

College students

Dilla · 2012-06-03, 00:04

Superjail: The Anime.

word sux · 2012-06-03, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Dilla

Superjail: The Anime.

thats what I thought the first time I saw dead man wonderland..

the dub of deadman wonderland is godawful that is the only thing I have gathered from toonami so far

flying ^ · 2012-06-03, 01:17

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

Bleach: 1,060,000 (12 AM) and 580,000 (3 AM)
Deadman Wonderland: 860,000 (12:30 AM) and 557,000 (3:30 AM)
Casshern Sins: 796,000 (1 AM) and 488,000 (4 AM)
Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood: 699,000 (1:30 AM) and 473,000 (4:30 AM)
Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig: 698,000 (2 AM) and 450,000 (5 AM)I
Cowboy Bebop: 669,000 (2:30 AM) and 419,000 (5:30 AM)

anyone here from the West Coast?

I can watch all the Toonami block as early as... 9 PM

Alchemist007 · 2012-06-03, 02:24

Deadman dub is awesome.

I'm fine with the midnight run timing. I'm up till it ends anyways

GuidoHunter_Toki · 2012-06-03, 02:32

Well I get it at 11 on central time so its more than reasonable for me.

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Originally Posted by Dilla

Superjail: The Anime.

That second episode sure made it feel like that.

Magin · 2012-06-03, 03:06

The only thing I don't like about the toonami airing is all the swearing being cut out... otherwise, I'm thoroughly enjoying Deadman Wonderland (since I just go with the assumption that all dubs are generally horrible and am grateful I haven't listened to the original Japanese)

word sux · 2012-06-03, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Magin

The only thing I don't like about the toonami airing is all the swearing being cut out... otherwise, I'm thoroughly enjoying Deadman Wonderland (since I just go with the assumption that all dubs are generally horrible and am grateful I haven't listened to the original Japanese)

After seeing the original I can't stand to watch the dub, especially with all the bleeped cursing...

Royal_Devil · 2012-06-03, 21:39

The swearing makes an otherwise boring and incomplete adaptation way more entertaining. I don't know why but bleeping swear words like that just makes me laugh.

Hell, for next year's April Fool's joke they should re-air the first episode of Casshern and bleep out his name

word sux · 2012-06-04, 05:50

on the topic of swearing I think they should put something like black lagoon on instead of casshern

Xagzan · 2012-06-04, 09:09

Well, not instead of. Maybe in addition to. It still surprised me AS has never aired such seemingly fitting series as BL, Fate stay night, or even Baccano.

2012-05-27, 21:35	Link #141
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Even in english deadman wonderland the maid character is still just so annoying it was a poor choice and Casshern Sins wont look like it will do well __________________

2012-05-28, 14:04	Link #143
Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	Steve's doing it for free actually. Which is saying a lot, considering he could easily command a premium price for his work these days. As for the internet versus television stuff, well, lots of people do still watch television, myself included. I'm not the regular watching of AS that I used to be, in part because of how much I feel they've moved from their roots as a network. I know a lot of people like their newer stuff, but originally AS was meant to be an adult animation programming block. Instead it's dominated by heavy reruns of FOX animations and cheaply produced live action comedy that tends to parody bad network television. What I fear most is that Toonami will fail not because of interest, but because of high expectations. Too many people riding on nostalgia, trying to recapture their childhood, and not enough people who understand how the business side of television works. AS can afford to stay low budget and pull in ratings. Comedy is cheap to make. Toonami won't have that luxury. I'd love to be filthy rich so I could donate to help them out, but for now all I can do is tune in and hope for the best. __________________

2012-05-28, 15:31	Link #144
Dilla 'Sup Ballers Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina, USA Age: 34	Deadman Wonderland was a perfect choice. However, while I don't mind Casshern Sins itself, I don't think it was the right choice for a returning block that is low on money and needs ratings to survive. It's too slow and philosophical and would have been better at a later point when Toonami became better solidified. They should have gone with Panty & Stocking instead, but I guess FUNimation offered it at a discounted price to move more units (along with AS not thinking it would work for some reason). Edit: That's not to say that I don't see the appeal to the Adult Swim guys. It's has that retro appeal that AS appears to love so much. I just think it was put on the block too soon. Last edited by Dilla; 2012-05-28 at 15:44.

2012-05-28, 16:45	Link #145
Dann of Thursday WHERE'S...MY...COW???? Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 34	I admit I love to see it back, even if it won't be quite the same. Those golden days have passed. Still, I always just liked the general atmosphere of the block despite it being simpler to just watch stuff online. Casshern Sins is indeed an odd choice. I've never seen it, but I'm familiar with its premise and style are and agree that it seems like a choice that might have been better down the line. Deadman Wonderland works well and I didn't even have any interest in it originally. Hopefully the block does well enough that they can expand and get some new shows for air. I'd love to see shows like Baccano, Steins;Gate, or perhaps airing films like perhaps Gundam Unicorn (not sure how that would work with Bandai). Still, I kind of find myself doubting how successful it will be despite wanting to hope otherwise. I'll enjoy it however long it lasts though. __________________ By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, if you want to test a man's character give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

2012-05-29, 14:19	Link #146
FaiEatsRainbows Wonderful Wonderholic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: This super duper galaxy	I'm really dissapointed in myself for missing last weekends airing. I haven't seen Casshern Sins, but it does seem like a odd choice from what I've heard. I think it won't strike that big of an audience. Deadman wonderland is great though, and I feel like many people will find themselves in love with it. Hopefully they will start airing some older shows though, but I doubt it because of money. __________________

2012-06-02, 01:08	Link #147
Slayerx Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	In case anyone's interested, we got ratings info on how toonami did last week Bleach: 1,060,000 (12 AM) and 580,000 (3 AM) Deadman Wonderland: 860,000 (12:30 AM) and 557,000 (3:30 AM) Casshern Sins: 796,000 (1 AM) and 488,000 (4 AM) Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood: 699,000 (1:30 AM) and 473,000 (4:30 AM) Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig: 698,000 (2 AM) and 450,000 (5 AM)I Cowboy Bebop: 669,000 (2:30 AM) and 419,000 (5:30 AM) That's actually a big improvement from the previous week which was terrible, but i think its more or less about par for the course for how Adult Swim usually does on saturday nights (the previous week was unusually bad). From what i heard, i think DeMarco has said that they ratings were decent enough to keep toonami around... however, I would say that the ratings need to be better if the block is going to actually changed things for the better; by which i mean getting the funding for more kick ass shows and better promos and such. __________________ My Deviantart

2012-06-02, 17:01	Link #148
word sux Member Join Date: Mar 2012	I also have to agree that casshern sins is a curious choice. The rest however is a very solid lineup __________________ Signature removed. Please check the forum signature rules before trying to upload another one. If you have questions, feel free to contact a mod through PM.

2012-06-02, 20:39	Link #149
ellifeedn Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York	I have to wonder who would be up between 3 and 6 AM to watch TV.

2012-06-03, 00:04	Link #151
Dilla 'Sup Ballers Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Carolina, USA Age: 34	Superjail: The Anime.

2012-06-03, 02:24	Link #154
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2012-06-03, 03:06	Link #156
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	The only thing I don't like about the toonami airing is all the swearing being cut out... otherwise, I'm thoroughly enjoying Deadman Wonderland (since I just go with the assumption that all dubs are generally horrible and am grateful I haven't listened to the original Japanese) __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2012-06-03, 21:39	Link #158
Royal_Devil Powder Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 36	The swearing makes an otherwise boring and incomplete adaptation way more entertaining. I don't know why but bleeping swear words like that just makes me laugh. Hell, for next year's April Fool's joke they should re-air the first episode of Casshern and bleep out his name __________________

2012-06-04, 05:50	Link #159
word sux Member Join Date: Mar 2012	on the topic of swearing I think they should put something like black lagoon on instead of casshern __________________ Signature removed. Please check the forum signature rules before trying to upload another one. If you have questions, feel free to contact a mod through PM.

2012-06-04, 09:09	Link #160
Xagzan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Well, not instead of. Maybe in addition to. It still surprised me AS has never aired such seemingly fitting series as BL, Fate stay night, or even Baccano.