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felix · 2011-02-12, 12:20

It's not good nor bad, it's plot-hole. :P

roriconfan · 2011-02-12, 13:00

Lol don't the makers normally try not to make so many obvious mistakes every episode? Is brainwashing the kids into buying the game all that matters?

But I must admit to something this anime still does right in an unorthodox way.

1) The lead keeps losing and that is a good thing because it indirectly tells us to be more powerful by BUYING MORE CARDS !!!

2) You can win rare cards even by losing. Not only winners get super powerful prizes. (especially if they are saviors in trainning)

Auron Requies · 2011-02-13, 06:16

Started watching this a while ago, and it's actually not as bad to watch as one might think. It's more that this series for me is in a 'not to be taken with high expectation and just watch for fun' which is actually going well in that regard.

Though the 'monster' designs are mixed, some ok (aka Blaster Blade) while others horrid, I'm looking forward to more monsters being shown later in the series.

felix · 2011-02-13, 08:06

Tv commercial, LOL

Also, still can't find the damn card graphic D:

Found these while searching though.

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The art style is pretty neat.

cohen · 2011-02-13, 08:29

About those, the ones that have an anime look are drawn by Akira Itou, the other ones by professional artists.

roriconfan · 2011-02-13, 13:08

How is that +2000 bonus in attack with the Unicorn work? Does he empower any other of the Paladin set or is it open to everything?

Hm, the artwork for Yddrazil healer is different than in the anime. And what is that +5000 in her Heal symbol? And wow, she gives 10.000 support bonus??? They have never shown that.

And based on the latest episode, the Critical symbol can actually empower any monster you want and NOT just the attacker?

bayoab · 2011-02-13, 13:31

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

How is that +2000 bonus in attack with the Unicorn work? Does he empower any other of the Paladin set or is it open to everything?

"When this unit is placed in a <Yellow symbol>, choose a Royal Paladin. That unit gets +2000 attack for this turn."

Quote:

Hm, the artwork for Yddrazil healer is different than in the anime. And what is that +5000 in her Heal symbol? And wow, she gives 10.000 support bonus??? They have never shown that.

10000 is her guard value, not her support. All triggers give a power bonus, thus the +5000.

Anh_Minh · 2011-02-13, 13:59

Why is Blaster Blade considered so good? 9000 doesn't sound like a lot. It's less than Galatin's 10000.

Quarkboy · 2011-02-13, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Why is Blaster Blade considered so good? 9000 doesn't sound like a lot. It's less than Galatin's 10000.

I think it's mainly his counterblast that's so impressive for a grade 2. The power is also pretty good compared to other grade 2s (I think the only stronger grade 2 we've seen is Genocide Jack at 11,000, but that card's gimped and you can't attack with it unless you pay 1 a turn)

Pay 2 when you ride him and you can retire 1 of your opponents rear guard.
That lets you kill an extra enemy in an undefendable way, and can completely screw up your opponents defense early in the game since it's just a grade 2.

cohen · 2011-02-13, 14:13

Galatin is a grade 2 also.

Quarkboy · 2011-02-13, 14:14

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Originally Posted by felix

He's grade 2. Galatin is grade 3. They are also both 9000.

I'm actually a little in doubt here too, can someone please translate the card description above for both of them. In the old yu-gi-oh style a lower grade of same power would be obviously better on virtue that you don't need to sacrifice to summon it like if it was grade 5/6 (1), 6/7 (2). But doesn't seem to be the case here.

Simply put you can get grade 2s in play faster than grade 3s in vanguard, since you have to ride in order of grade.

Blaster Blade, however, is still not as good as any grade 3, though, because only grade 3s have Twin Drive, and critical triggers are your main method of damaging your opponent (at least, in the anime that's the case), the first player to ride to grade 3 is at a serious advantage.

So it's the best grade 2 we've seen by most measures, but it's not something you want to ride all the way to the bank (haha)

felix · 2011-02-13, 14:20

Gelatin = Gancelot? Oh right that one. The blindfold dood.

roriconfan · 2011-02-13, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayoab

"When this unit is placed in a <Yellow symbol>, choose a Royal Paladin. That unit gets +2000 attack for this turn."

Oh, so it's a one-time bonus with lots of restrictions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayoab

10000 is her guard value, not her support. All triggers give a power bonus, thus the +5000.

I don't remember giving anyone 5000 bonus when healing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

only grade 3s have Twin Drive

All of them or only when mentioned in text?

felix · 2011-02-13, 14:42

What's the meaning of the 5000 shield thing on the left side. Seems only grave 3 don't have it.

LKK · 2011-02-13, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarkboy

but it's not something you want to ride all the way to the bank (haha)

Ouch. Bad pun is bad.

felix · 2011-02-13, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by LKK

Ouch. Bad pun is bad.

I got a laugh out of it.

Quarkboy · 2011-02-13, 15:07

It hasn't been made clear AT ALL in the anime so far, but there are some basic abilities that each grade card has

Grade 0 and 1: Boost. All called "support". This is when you add the power of the card in the back row to the one in the front to increase the attack power.

Grade 2: Intercept. This is when you move a card in a rear-guard position into the guard circle to shield an attack. It basically means you can call any grade two in those positions as a shield card. Note that all grade 2s have shield values, but no grade 3s.

Grade 3: Twin Drive. You can check for drive triggers twice when attacking.

These abilities are only given to their respective grades. You'll never get a grade 2 with twin drive or a grade 0 with intercept, etc... And every card of those grades has those abilities. At least, that we've seen. I suppose it's theoretically possible they'll throw some exception into the mix since it's marked with a separate icon on the card.

Also, I think that only grade 0s are trigger cards. Have we seen an example of a drive trigger card that wasn't a grade 0 yet?

roriconfan · 2011-02-14, 03:59

I wonder if a deck full of zero grade criticals will beat any deck in just two rounds. XD

You let the opponent play first. You attack with critical. Two damage on round 1. Chances of blocking 10 to 12 K with zero grade are close to zero.

You then summon one or two more zero grades and again attack his vanguard. If no block is done right, you win right there. XD

FateAnomaly · 2011-02-14, 04:06

I just feel the characters are being overly dramatic over nothing particularly spectacular.

Btw: There is a limit on how many trigger cards that can be put in a deck.

Quarkboy · 2011-02-14, 04:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by roriconfan

I wonder if a deck full of zero grade criticals will beat any deck in just two rounds. XD

You let the opponent play first. You attack with critical. Two damage on round 1. Chances of blocking 10 to 12 K with zero grade are close to zero.

You then summon one or two more zero grades and again attack his vanguard. If no block is done right, you win right there. XD

Not allowed. I believe you can only have up to 4 criticals
of any one type in your deck at once.

2011-02-12, 12:20	Link #201
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	It's not good nor bad, it's plot-hole. :P __________________

2011-02-13, 08:06	Link #204
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	Tv commercial, LOL <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/ib-8nGRdvnc">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> Also, still can't find the damn card graphic D: Found these while searching though. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The art style is pretty neat. __________________

2011-02-13, 08:29	Link #205
cohen Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 30	About those, the ones that have an anime look are drawn by Akira Itou, the other ones by professional artists. __________________ My new Blogspot

2011-02-13, 14:13	Link #210
cohen Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 30	Galatin is a grade 2 also. __________________ My new Blogspot

2011-02-13, 14:20	Link #212
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	Gelatin = Gancelot? Oh right that one. The blindfold dood. __________________

2011-02-12, 13:00	Link #202
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	Lol don't the makers normally try not to make so many obvious mistakes every episode? Is brainwashing the kids into buying the game all that matters? But I must admit to something this anime still does right in an unorthodox way. 1) The lead keeps losing and that is a good thing because it indirectly tells us to be more powerful by BUYING MORE CARDS !!! 2) You can win rare cards even by losing. Not only winners get super powerful prizes. (especially if they are saviors in trainning)

2011-02-13, 06:16	Link #203
Auron Requies Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	Started watching this a while ago, and it's actually not as bad to watch as one might think. It's more that this series for me is in a 'not to be taken with high expectation and just watch for fun' which is actually going well in that regard. Though the 'monster' designs are mixed, some ok (aka Blaster Blade) while others horrid, I'm looking forward to more monsters being shown later in the series.

2011-02-13, 13:08	Link #206
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	How is that +2000 bonus in attack with the Unicorn work? Does he empower any other of the Paladin set or is it open to everything? Hm, the artwork for Yddrazil healer is different than in the anime. And what is that +5000 in her Heal symbol? And wow, she gives 10.000 support bonus??? They have never shown that. And based on the latest episode, the Critical symbol can actually empower any monster you want and NOT just the attacker?

2011-02-13, 13:59	Link #208
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Why is Blaster Blade considered so good? 9000 doesn't sound like a lot. It's less than Galatin's 10000.

2011-02-13, 14:42	Link #214
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	What's the meaning of the 5000 shield thing on the left side. Seems only grave 3 don't have it. __________________

2011-02-13, 15:07	Link #217
Quarkboy Translator, Producer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Age: 44	It hasn't been made clear AT ALL in the anime so far, but there are some basic abilities that each grade card has Grade 0 and 1: Boost. All called "support". This is when you add the power of the card in the back row to the one in the front to increase the attack power. Grade 2: Intercept. This is when you move a card in a rear-guard position into the guard circle to shield an attack. It basically means you can call any grade two in those positions as a shield card. Note that all grade 2s have shield values, but no grade 3s. Grade 3: Twin Drive. You can check for drive triggers twice when attacking. These abilities are only given to their respective grades. You'll never get a grade 2 with twin drive or a grade 0 with intercept, etc... And every card of those grades has those abilities. At least, that we've seen. I suppose it's theoretically possible they'll throw some exception into the mix since it's marked with a separate icon on the card. Also, I think that only grade 0s are trigger cards. Have we seen an example of a drive trigger card that wasn't a grade 0 yet? __________________ Read Light Novels in English at J-Novel Club! Translator, Producer, Japan Media Export Expert Founder and Owner of J-Novel Club Sam Pinansky

2011-02-14, 03:59	Link #218
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	I wonder if a deck full of zero grade criticals will beat any deck in just two rounds. XD You let the opponent play first. You attack with critical. Two damage on round 1. Chances of blocking 10 to 12 K with zero grade are close to zero. You then summon one or two more zero grades and again attack his vanguard. If no block is done right, you win right there. XD

2011-02-14, 04:06	Link #219
FateAnomaly Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	I just feel the characters are being overly dramatic over nothing particularly spectacular. Btw: There is a limit on how many trigger cards that can be put in a deck.