Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[yvj]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

one of the best parts (of season 1 at least) in geass was that both lelouch AND suzaku could be viewed as having a good point
either could be seen as "the hero" of the story under the right conditions

you cant replicate that if you turn the enemies into some evil cult and have all the good guys fight them
its as black and white as it gets that way
code geass is a show that thrives on grey
it would lose much of its impact if you turn it into a "good guys" vs "bad guys" show

Lets' not kid ourselves completely though. No matter how gray Lelouch was he had a "Big Bad" to fight throughout most of the series.

You can't say the show did not thrive on a Britania and a evil cult.

[revival]

Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Ah, no. It's called rationality.

Ah, no. There is no rationality in these kind of shows, ya know.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Originally Posted by revival

Ah, no. There is no rationality in these kind of shows, ya know.

Everything has to have a certain amount of rationality in order to be believable.

[yvj]

Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Everything has to have a certain amount of rationality in order to be believable.

Suzaku dodged machine gun bullets and spun kicked a turret

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Originally Posted by yvj

Suzaku dodged machine gun bullets and spun kicked a turret

A certain amount. The basics behind everything have to be believable enough. Besides that, he's Suzaku.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by yvj

You can't say the show did not thrive on a Britania and a evil cult.

but this time, you dont have someone as "light" as season 1 suzaku to balance him out and require for him to compete against

on the one side you have suzaku, who is the definition of "villain with good publicity" who wants to bring about a united world as per lelouch's plan (despite the fact that a considerable number of the UFN member states dont want to be part of the UFN anymore)

on the other side, you have people who want to kill him and trigger a civil war within the UFN so it would fall apart and return to being single states again (which is what much of it actually wants)

both sides are equally dark

[revival]

Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Everything has to have a certain amount of rationality in order to be believable.

Um, it is an anime. I do not need literature-speeches in order to get what is going on, thank you. My point WAS. that blade is insisting on something, that is NOT gonna happen, and is taking way too srsly the whole soldiers-part in the last arc of r2. They were just pwns of Lelouch. They will never have another role in the series. We get that?
Was that enough rational for you?

ps. people take your light/dark views on the moral thread, now e enjoying the announcement about geass.

[Lolipopo]

You don't get it guys.

It's going to be a spin off.

LULUKO OF THE REVOLUTION FUCK YES !
(And Suzuka De Arc will be her BFF, and daughter of ZeroZaku and Nunally.)

BTW. Luluko will have blue eyes. GUESS WHO IS THE MOTHER ?

(Oh lol it looks like we are back to the good old days. How cute.)

[bladeofdarkness]

is there A moral thread ?
besides, these are speculations about the new show

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Originally Posted by revival

Um, it is an anime. I do not need literature-speeches in order to get what is going on, thank you. My point WAS. that blade is insisting on something, that is NOT gonna happen, and is taking way too srsly the whole soldiers-part in the last arc of r2. They were just pwns of Lelouch. They will never have another role in the series. We get that?
Was that enough rational for you?

ps. people take your light/dark views on the moral thread, now e enjoying the announcement about geass.

Oh, if that's the part you were nitpicking, then yes. I agree. Some things just have to be accepted in order to enjoy the show.

[revival]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

BTW. Luluko will have blue eyes. GUESS WHO IS THE MOTHER ?

Ah, C.C No wait, ANYA. Hum, no wait, EUPHIE. No wait, she is dead. SHIRLEY. No wait, she is dead.
Oh wait...IT CAN;T BE. DON;T.

[bladeofdarkness]

the speculations were about a new antagonist
you cant have a completely "black" antagonist if you want an interesting conflict
not in a real robot anime
and definitely not in a code geass one

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

BTW. Luluko will have blue eyes. GUESS WHO IS THE MOTHER ?

milly

[revival]

Originally Posted by Zetsubou Bunny

Oh, if that's the part you were nitpicking, then yes. I agree. Some things just have to be accepted in order to enjoy the show.

That was it, actually. Sorry if i came off as aggressive and yes, i do agree, that a show that is supposed to be about politics and stuff, cannot be all Lagann-ish material, meaning whatever the hell can happen, but we cannot TAKE EVERY SINGLE THING with a salt of rationality, cause some things, are not supposed to be taken serious.

[Last Sinner]

News just posted on official Code Geass site: (taken from ANN)

Bandai's mobile phone website m-pub.channel.or.jp is hosting a graphic that reads as follows:

New Code Geass Project Launch Green-Lit!

Wait for more info in 2010!!

The image adds that this project represents a "rebirth" and that Geass will take a new step starting today. The message is signed with the name, "ZERO."

In the January 2009 issue of Gakken's Animedia magazine, the Sunrise anime studio indicated the possibility of more plans for its Code Geass science-fiction franchise. Sunrise created and animated the Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion television anime series and its R2 sequel. Sunrise did not indicate the format that any hypothetical future plans might take. The Adult Swim television programming block ran Bandai Entertainment's adaptation of the R2 sequel in North America.


Looks like this ain't over yet!

[yvj]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

milly

Blasphemy

I still think it would be really forced to have the show in the aftermath of ZR.

WE as the viewer know what Suzaku did. But what evidence does anyone in the world have that Zero didn't save them from a tyrant? ZR is pretty much an airtight case. It makes no sense for Lelouch to have screwed up any loose ends seeing how such a ridiculously meticulous plan ended up working in the first place down to the very minute detail.

Plus if anyone was pissed at Lelouch, the could turn to Schniezel, Nunnaly, Xianxe. All the "good" people are in charge.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by yvj

Blasphemy

I still think it would be really forced to have the show in the aftermath of ZR.

WE as the viewer know what Suzaku did. But what evidence does anyone in the world have that Zero didn't save them from a tyrant? ZR is pretty much an airtight case. It makes no sense for Lelouch to have screwed up any loose ends seeing how such a ridiculously meticulous plan ended up working in the first place down to the very minute detail.

Plus if anyone was pissed at Lelouch, the could turn to Schniezel, Nunnaly, Xianxe. All the "good" people are in charge.

exactly
its a ridiculously complex plan with too many variables
do lelouch's plans usually work out without a hitch ?
of course not, they explode in his face and end up hurting those he loves
having zero-requiem turn into a big "nice job breaking it hero" is not simply possible
its practically in character for lelouch

nunnaly shnizel and all the others fought AGAINST lelouch
suzaku helped him take power
hence, he would be the target of whoever sought revenge

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by revival

ah, c.c no wait, anya. Hum, no wait, euphie. No wait, she is dead. Shirley. No wait, she is dead.
Oh wait...it can;t be. Don;t.

You guessed it right.

[revival]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

you guessed it right.

b-but when? OH WAIT, the scene that was cut from Turn -22 "love of my life, you hurrrttt meee" Yeah, makes sense.

Lol, no srsly, imagine if we get couple-trolled ultimately. man,

[yvj]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

exactly
its a ridiculously complex plan with too many variables
do lelouch's plans usually work out without a hitch ?
of course not, they explode in his face and end up hurting those he loves
having zero-requiem turn into a big "nice job breaking it hero" is not simply possible
its practically in character for lelouch

See though it flies in the face of his "Gloriously" depicted death and what it was all about.

You telling me he pulled all that out, sacrificed it all, and he couldn't get peace to last a single generation? Couldn't even get Nunnaly live out her life in peace?

What the hell was the point then?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by yvj

See though it flies in the face of his "Gloriously" depicted death and what it was all about.

You telling me he pulled out that out, sacrificed it all, and he couldn't get peace to last a single generation? Couldn't even get Nunnaly live out her life in peace?

What the hell was the point then?

nope
not a generation
2 years
he intentionally picked a course of action where peace is NOT assured after all (unlike charles and shnizel)

lelouch ended the OLD war between britannia and the rest of the world
the WORLD war
he took the blame for the hate of the old war, and made sure nunnaly would not have to live in a world where half the worlds population hates her simply for being britannian (and kallen, for being japanese)
THAT was the point, and the gain

he also triggered the circumstance that led to the next conflict
by destroying mount fuji, he caused a situation where sooner or later, war would break out over the last of the sakuradite (imagine what happens if 70% of the worlds oil supply vanishes)
and by hurting all those people during zero-requiem, he created the new antagonists who would come after those he loves, and seek to destory what he created
THAT would be the price