Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[Mikethemaster]

Originally Posted by justpassingby

No. It's more like Hanaero-kun would prefer girls that showed great concern for the boys, even though the girls' love would probably not be requited.


And you're talking about 'boring' when the most boring character is that Ass.

Well I did say I like the whole princess x Soilder romance the first was Heero x Relena and the teardrop Ova made me love that pairing even more their love is deep and kind of tragic weel at least iteardrop. Asseylum is boring to meh to me but Sora voice made me like her. But alot of voice talent was wasted on this but it probably made them more well known. I like Leila and Akito too

[creb]

So, no surprises. Except, I thought Slaine would have found complete forgiveness, but a partial forgiveness while he lives out the rest of his life in some black site while the world thinks him dead is close.

I also thought he was going to have his big battle before surrendering, rather than surrendering, then having his big battle. :/

But, otherwise, it all mostly went off true to form.

The whole moon forces choosing to kamikaze rather than surrender, however, I didn't see, though I suppose that's a cultural thing. I suppose there's something irrationally romantic about dying in a final blaze of glory, while ignoring all the people you leave behind to pick up the pieces.

Overall, I think I preferred season one, if only because there was a little more fun in Inaho's episodic explanations for beating the Kataphrakt of the week, verse the kinda scattered season two.

[orion]

Originally Posted by janipani

Shippers didn't win this time muahahaha! Cruel reality won. Political marriage embraces my cynical heart.

Don't worry. We can exact our revenge by not buying the title, cds, etc and let this title who shot down both ships rot in Hades.

[Zoks]

Originally Posted by orion

Don't worry. We can exact our revenge by not buying the title, cds, etc and let this title who shot down both ships rot in Hades.

Isn't the biggest ship Inaho x Slaine? Because that ship is still sailing.

[cyth]

Although miles better than the rest of them, it was an average episode. At least SLAINE didn't get away with it.

Asseylum makes the worst cock block in Terran history. Inaho is manipulated into saving his enemy. I wanted him to at least be able to rationale it some way, "Slaine has Aldnoah activation privileges, it's beneficial to keep him alive" or something like.

As for this being a personal feud, it's been like this the whole show, with the war of the worlds being an excuse to fuel it. I thought you people knew better.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by creb

The whole moon forces choosing to kamikaze rather than surrender, however, I didn't see, though I suppose that's a cultural thing. I suppose there's something irrationally romantic about dying in a final blaze of glory, while ignoring all the people you leave behind to pick up the pieces.

I think the moon forces made this choice largely out of a sense of loyalty to Slaine. They didn't want to feel like they were abandoning him, even if they were explicitly ordered to do so.

Consider how it was Harklight, easily Slaine's most loyal and dedicated supporter, who was the first to go back to Slaine.

Rightly or wrongly, Slaine's men believed in what he was fighting for, and wished to support him to the end. I think that's what motivated them more than a generalized desire to go out in a blaze of glory.

Originally Posted by cyth

As for this being a personal feud, it's been like this the whole show,

The motivations for Saazbaum was personal, and it became personal for Slaine, but the full scope and stakes of the conflict was much greater prior to this finale.

[Terrestrial Dream]

What a shit ending.
First of all, why did Ass hime had to marry? Why couldn't she do this on her own, I see no reason not to. Not to sound SJW, but she doesn't need to get married, just be independent and do your own shit.
Second, what a shit character Slaine became. All the potential they had but they done nothing with him. In the end, he became a generic villain. Not sure if I should feel like an idiot for thinking Slaine had something planned or should be sad at the writers for writing such a shit character at end.

Third, no reason for the final fight, absolutely none. Inaho and Slaine's rivalry is fake as the face of the girls in Gangnam.

Anyhow, overall this show sucked. At least Valvrave was funny despite being shit.

Well thank god for Fafner, a real mech anime.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

The motivations for Saazbaum was personal, and it became personal for Slaine, but the full scope and stakes of the conflict was much greater prior to this finale.

It was an excuse to fuel it. How come Slaine's new kingdom came crashing down so fast? He had tech, a princess, supporters. We knew it was gonna be like this, don't backtrack now. SLAINE was prepared to throw it all away just like he was prepared to kill a whole bunch of people and start conflicts for no good reason because he is a child. Both him and Lemrina. The people who didn't see them for what they were have their own selves to blame. The rest of us were too busy cursing over the plot being concentrated on these stupid characters, just hoping that Slaine reaches a BAD END because it would be too cruel to fuel delusions of his fans further. They made little of death and destruction through action and words, the ending episode was just a last call back to reality for those still stuck in lalaland.

[AverageFan]

So it ended. It feels funny and stuff.

The cease fire worked and the counts do nothing.

Slaine tell his men to abandon bases and surrender. Realizing that he lost and that he can’t go back orders them to leave.

When escorting the evacuation fleet the units. Harklight and Barouhcruz and the Stygris fighters left to fight. And they died which was kind of sad. They should have lived.
Asseyulum should have sent out a second message to them to stop.
Barouchcruz suprisemed me there

The fight between Inaho and Slaine was good. So There fight pushed them all from the moon to the earth. Or at least a position where the earth’s gravity is strong enough. Also bad choose of music for the fight

Then after Inaho wins they come down to earth like a shooting star. And Slaine is captured and the war ends.

So there is peace between Earth and Mars. Earth gets an Aldnoah drive and built a reactor just like those in the Decualion and the landing castles. And Asseylum is coming to activate as a sign of peace and to deal with the still present orbital knights.

Then they talk about giving aldnoah activation privileges to everyone. And then the said that Dr. Troyard theories were correct and everyone will have the power to activate it. I don’t like this because we never got a good look at his character and Then they say that Slaine tried to assassinate Asseylum. It just feel that was in bad taste to have that in there.

Then at the end Inaho meets with Slaine at prison and tells him that Asseylum wanted him to live and asked Inaho to save him.
Afterwards its Asseylum and Klancain watching birds with the from talking about the why the sky is blue.

I watched the credits expecting some post credit scene.

I was expect more to this. It feels like to much happened and everyones reason for doing felt weak.

[nooneagain]

hey guys, I wonder how did asseylum assess the mars problem. I'm talking about those non-royal martians. It was said that even those non-royal martians experience harsh treatment right?

[orion]

Originally Posted by Zoks

Isn't the biggest ship Inaho x Slaine? Because that ship is still sailing.

Slaine is in jail for the rest of his life. That ship got scuttled by the anime staff also.

[ImperialKnight]

I don't get it so what was the whole point of all this?

Technically speaking we're more or less back to square one right? Not all of the knights are going to give up what they fought for and it's not that simple to just pack up your bags and leave.

Then you add in the part that what just happen so far doesn't even address the problems the martians face...which is the lack of resources, food, and water.

Sure Asseuyum gave Earth an Aldnoah driver but what about the Martians? Couldn't they at least said something about Earth increasing shipments of food and water to Mars as a good gesture too?

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by ImperialKnight

I don't get it so what was the whole point of all this?

Technically speaking we're more or less back to square one right? Not all of the knights are going to give up what they fought for and it's not that simple to just pack up your bags and leave.

Then you add in the part that what just happen so far doesn't even address the problems the martians face...which is the lack of resources, food, and water.

Sure Asseuyum gave Earth an Aldnoah driver but what about the Martians? Couldn't they at least said something about Earth increasing shipments of food and water to Mars as a good gesture too?

The way it ended so easily makes the whole conflict pointless.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by cyth

It was an excuse to fuel it.

Stop being obtuse. You know what I'm criticizing here.

Higher stakes are inherently more interesting. This finale lacked it for the reasons that I laid out.

How come Slaine's new kingdom came crashing down so fast?

Because of Asseylum, obviously.

We knew it was gonna be like this, don't backtrack now.

Slaine was going to be defeated, sure. That was pretty predictable. But higher stakes still would have made this finale feel less anti-climatic. Not once while I watched this finale did I think that any of the protagonists had even a remote chance of dying, which hinders drama and suspense. That probably wouldn't have been the case if the conflict had remained larger, involving more than just the moon base and its forces vs. Inaho's team.

SLAINE was prepared to throw it all away just like he was prepared to kill a whole bunch of people and start conflicts

The war had been raging for a long time before Slaine took on a leadership role. Slaine didn't start this war. The person most to blame for this war is Saazbaum.

But hey, I guess Saazbaum's name has been cleared for the history books, since it sounds like Slaine has been made the fall guy for the Asseylum false flag operation of the very first episode of Season 1.

I guess that's another piece of supposed justice that you and your fellow Slaine-haters can hang your hats on, huh?


Whatever you think of Slaine, his situation is complex enough that it warrants a proper trial, and I somehow doubt that he ever had one given what the deceitful official story being peddled to the people of Earth and Vers is at the end of this show.

[lubczyk]

I understand why Harklight and the others committed suicide. What were they supposed to do? Spend the rest of their lives in prison or go back to being 3rd class citizens in Space North Korea?

The ending left the impression that the feudal system on Mars will continue for a good, long time under Asseylum's rule with the nobles hoarding all the wealth.

I would like to see an OVA/movie/third series where Asseylum reacts to a mass anti-monarchist movement on Mars calling for her head. Peace between Earth and Mars goes both way with ideas of democracy and federalism seeping in from Earth to Mars in their mutual trade.

[TonyC1994]

I was wondering how they were going to wrap up this series. Didn't expect them to pull a last minute character on us as a way to solve the problem.

I absolutely hate it when a show does that...

[zalem]

Well, that was a completely lackluster ending. Then again, I didn't really like any of the characters, so it was going to be hard for them to do something really interesting enough for me to care.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I guess that's another piece of supposed justice that you and your fellow Slaine-haters can hang your hats on, huh?

Sure, I'm a Slaine hater because I hate badly written characters. Saazbaum and Lemrina were equally terrible, as was Asseylum to some extent. The whole show is full of bad characters. The Terran side I sympathize with because they were the underdogs and had everything to lose and nothing to gain. Vers/Saazbaum wanted culture.

Whatever you think of Slaine, his situation is complex enough that it warrants a proper trial, and I somehow doubt that he ever had one given what the deceitful official story being peddled to the people of Earth and Vers is at the end of this show.

I think Inaho got the confession on tape, there was no need for a trial. I don't think anyone, not even Slaine fans think he should get one. It's like sending the guy to Haag. Everyone gets convicted there, those things are just a matter of historical precedent.

As for supposed propaganda, see this is what I wanted from the show all along - the bigger picture. The big picture is that now the planets have a peace process going, probably with energy trade being a priority. It's just so disappointing we got such political manners at the very end, instead these characters were just jerking each other off the whole show. Now you want the people to have a trial = more drama. We know he's guilty.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by lubczyk

I understand why Harklight and the others committed suicide. What were they supposed to do? Spend the rest of their lives in prison or go back to being 3rd class citizens in Space North Korea?

The ending left the impression that the feudal system on Mars will continue for a good, long time under Asseylum's rule with the nobles hoarding all the wealth.

Good points.

This final episode doesn't do anything to resolve the issues caused by Aldnoah power being concentrated solely in the hands of the nobles and those who the nobles choose to pass.

Sure, Asseylum herself might be a good peace-loving ruler, but who's to say her children will be?

Saazbaum was right about at least one thing, and that was the corrupting influence of Aldnoah power residing strictly in the hands of the Vers nobility and those that they chose to share it with. It was this legitimate issue that played a role in Slaine's decisions, as well as Harklight's.

That issue has not been resolved at all.

[zalem]

Originally Posted by cyth

Sure, I'm a Slaine hater because I hate badly written characters. Saazbaum and Lemrina were equally terrible, as was Asseylum to some extent. The whole show is full of bad characters.

This

I don't even hate Slaine. I don't hate anyone really. They are all equally badly written.