[Manga] Chapter 337 Discussion

[Hunter]

I'm a little too busy right now to answer your post properly Sazelyt, that will wait a few hours.
But rejoice, the spoiler pics of the end of the chapter are out!

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by Hunter

I'm a little too busy right now to answer your post properly Sazelyt, that will wait a few hours.
But rejoice, the spoiler pics of the end of the chapter are out!

I am not worried, and I didn't have a single doubt that you will let this one go.

Spoiler:

Seeing Hidan's face taking multiple shapes, especially the shock and frightening ones, is a nice treat. Shika's performance was great. the last goodbye kiss was directly from Asuma, that was also nice. I guess after his body getting separated into hundreds/thousands of pieces, it would be even nearly impossible for Hidan to recover and get out from his grave.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Hunter

Spoiler:

I'm gonna bet a double page representing Shika throwing his cigarette into the hole to blow Hidan up to piece

Spoiler:

Damn, you're good Hunter. I just caught the spoiler pics! Very Bruce Willis-like!

I wonder if Hidan's head was left intact after the explosion with the rest of his body scattered across the area or if he was just blown completely to smithereens? Either way, it looks like one Akatsuki member is down.

[ShikaShika]

Spoiler:

Down? That's just sad, Hidan had one trick? Pretty lame for an Akatsuki member. I sure hope he'll be back to do something more, but sounds unlikely...

[Kotengu]

Originally Posted by DeDe

A lot of the 2ch folks think Kishimoto is trying to make him into the Naruto Batman. I saw a doujinshi not long ago that features Shikamaru and Temari as a married couple that fights and solves crime around the ninja countries. It sort of picked up on the Batman theme. If I ever see it again I'll probably buy it.

WTF? Why did you quote something to me that I didn't say? Kinda Smeezy if you ask me. . .

As for this quote, Shikamaru WILL NOT be able to compare to naruto and akastuki directly because he is a low power skill ninja, not a high power damage type ninja. That is why he can fight against Hidan. If Hidan was spaming dual elemental jutsus like Jirya, or Kakuzu, then he would be seriously outclassed.

Originally Posted by ShikaShika

Spoiler:

Down? That's just sad, Hidan had one trick? Pretty lame for an Akatsuki member. I sure hope he'll be back to do something more, but sounds unlikely...

Why look on the down side of things? If Hidan is taken out, then he could always be replaced by someone cooler like Tobi. Althou sasori was pretty cool to be replaced that easily. Pluss if you are a one trick pony with low skills and intelegence, then I think that kakashi prolly could have beaten him 1 on 1. Maybe even guy or neji as well.

[naruto89]

so is that 2nd spoiler version legit if so could you please put a complete summary up im dying to know, but in the meantime could you tell me about any interaction on narutos part thanx in advance

[DeDe]

Originally Posted by Kotengu

WTF? Why did you quote something to me that I didn't say? Kinda Smeezy if you ask me. . .

Why the hell are you getting bent all out of shape? It was an accident. Blame the cruddy quote button. It was suppose to quote kikko_s but somehow got you. Like I'd want to quote you.

[Soulnin]

Waiting...waiting. God damn you manga gods! Haven't we suffered the wait enough?!

[ShikaShika]

Yeah, should be out now, shouldn't it.

Originally Posted by Kotengu

Why look on the down side of things? If Hidan is taken out, then he could always be replaced by someone cooler like Tobi. Althou sasori was pretty cool to be replaced that easily. Pluss if you are a one trick pony with low skills and intelegence, then I think that kakashi prolly could have beaten him 1 on 1. Maybe even guy or neji as well.

Well, Hidan was cool in my opinion, at least the character concept. If this is the end of him then the coolness died with him I'm afraid. It's just that he's been hyped with his invincibility and his rituals... That's quite sad seeing him go that fast. Here's hoping Kakuzu lasts a little longer, but since Naruto is a 'completely new ninja' I guess Kakuzu will die at his hands in the next chapter...

[Soulnin]

Here's an interesting thought. Has Naruto actually killed anyone yet? I mean he's gone at people with killing intent I suppose like Deidara. But that was under 9tails influence. He's still pretty much an innocent nin.

[Rahan]

He killed the sand jounin who was impersonated by Itachi.

[Soulnin]

Ah yeah! I did forget about that one.
I was going to read all of part 2 again but I think I might actually wait til its animated. Some things I've forgotten may suprise me all over again.

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Spoiler:

Damn, you're good Hunter. I just caught the spoiler pics! Very Bruce Willis-like!

Heh, I just knew this scene would come since Shika and Hidan came to this place

Originally Posted by Sazelyt

I am not worried, and I didn't have a single doubt that you will let this one go.

You thought I would let go of a discussion going nowhere after only 2 posts? You kind of hurt my feeling you know :P

So I don't see how leaving Hidan to the other is really an issue since Kakashi did leave Hidan to Shikamaru alone anyway.
The part about emotional plan is completely beside the point, Shika is emotional yes. But Kakashi's decision isn't emotional in anyways. The choice to strike Kakuzu with a MS attack or the Raikiri doesn't hold a schred of particular feeling, it's just a tactical decision.
You also say that Kakashi could have easily used the MS on Kakuzu and Hidan when they were immobilized whereas your point was that Kakashi could have used the MS if he was fighting alone.
You can't have one with the other, without the group Hidan and Kakuzu wouldn't have been immobilized, with the group they were immobilized (Kakuzu only for a short period of time though) but Kakashi chose not to use the MS.
At this point you can say that Kakashi may have become better with the MS and that he could have done a better work with it but this 1/an assumption and 2/not what Kakashi himself decided to do.

About avoiding Kakuzu attacks : the choice to avoid these attacks? He did only barely avoid the Wind attack that teared off his cloths to save himself. The Raiton he had to counter was indeed to save Shika & Chouji but without them he would have been the target anyway.
These 2 example show that when Kakashi tried to avoid the attack it was hard and when he had to block them he had to give it all.
Again Kakuzu was idle for only a short moment because Shika made sure of that. Kakashi alone wouldn't have had that.

Just as you assume that Kakashi is significantly slower without any indication of such weakness, I can say that Kakuzu should be twice as fast as he is because he's been awake and sealing 2 Bijuu since a week.
The difference of speed between Kakashi and Kakuzu's tentacles is huge no matter how you look at it anyway : Kakashi didn't only get caught twice, he get caught without even being able to try to dodge whereas he has the Sharingan.
At least the first time he was in middle-air so that may have been understandable but he was caught just as easily on the ground before he could even have the slightest reaction. And yeah he said "fast". Which when you were powerlessly immobilized was by definition "too fast". Way too fast.

[FireDetei]

Spoiler:

So hold on a second. Didn Tsunade say Naruto had 24 hours to complete his Jutsu? If not she would send another team....But then in the spoiler, They have both been sent after what seems to be 24 hours, with Yamato saying that Naruto's jutsu was only 50% complete...=/

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Hunter

So I don't see how leaving Hidan to the other is really an issue since Kakashi did leave Hidan to Shikamaru alone anyway.

I think that both Kakashi and Shikamaru are intelligent enough to come to the conclusion that Kakuzu is far more stronger than Hidan. And knowing that it's just natural for Kakashi to think that Shikamaru is at least as good against Hidan as all the others together are good against Kakuzu.

And even more importantly Kakashi knows Shikamaru's plan, and we see that Shikamaru could proceed according the plan while the other's are in much more danger, their part of the plan was unsuccessful.

Originally Posted by FireDetei

Spoiler:

So hold on a second. Didn Tsunade say Naruto had 24 hours to complete his Jutsu? If not she would send another team....But then in the spoiler, They have both been sent after what seems to be 24 hours, with Yamato saying that Naruto's jutsu was only 50% complete...=/

Didn't Naruto won the bet against Tsunade? He was supposed to master the rasengan, however in average combat situations he could do it only with using a clone. So if we look at it in a strict way Naruto did not won the bet.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by FireDetei

Spoiler:

So hold on a second. Didn Tsunade say Naruto had 24 hours to complete his Jutsu? If not she would send another team....But then in the spoiler, They have both been sent after what seems to be 24 hours, with Yamato saying that Naruto's jutsu was only 50% complete...=/

Spoiler:

-Yeah I found that somewhat weird as well. Perhaps they lied about the jutsu's progression and presented the incomplete result (the crater Naruto created a few chapters back) as a means to deceive Tsunade. Won't she be surprised when she learns that Naruto took down an Akatsuki with a half-way complete jutsu ?

[Rahan]

Originally Posted by FireDetei

Spoiler:

So hold on a second. Didn Tsunade say Naruto had 24 hours to complete his Jutsu? If not she would send another team....But then in the spoiler, They have both been sent after what seems to be 24 hours, with Yamato saying that Naruto's jutsu was only 50% complete...=/

I guess no-one listens to Tsunade anymore. Danzou for Hokage !

Seriously, maybe his Windsengan (I still can't remember the japanese name) is another usable-despite-incomplete justsu, just like Rasengan.
Maybe, the final product will be something else.

[chuckcsf]

Originally Posted by Rahan

I guess no-one listens to Tsunade anymore. Danzou for Hokage !

Seriously, maybe his Windsengan (I still can't remember the japanese name) is another usable-despite-incomplete justsu, just like Rasengan.
Maybe, the final product will be something else.

Spoiler for The Final Product:

The Final product will be called "Fartsengan"

Actually, what I am interested in, more than the Fartsengan, is how different is Naruto and what changed... Is he gonna be more perverted? More serious? Wiser? More intelligent than Shika? Faster? Stronger?

[Hunter]

You know there is one thing this arc will settle : under who Sasuke should have trained to accomplish his revenge.

Forget Kakashi, forget Orochimaru.
If Sasuke had followed Shikamaru's lead, Itachi would be long dead.

[Rahan]

Shikamaru has not enough intelligence about Itachi to take him on.

All he could know (what Sasuke knew) about Itachi was :

• his kunai throwing skills are awesome (kunai have always been proved useless in real combat in Naruto)
• he can make you faint and have funny illusions just by looking at you
• he can counter Sasuke's Chidori just like if it was a Sakura pre-timeskip's punch

Nothing about Itachi's main strengths and weaknesses (Sasuke had no idea what Amaterasu is nor how affected Itachi is after using it). Shika wouldn't be able to make something efficient.