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Second, Yuuko pushing Teiichi down the stairs was under the influence of Shadow Yuuko. Teiichi also has more than just praise for Yuuko. Even he has problems with her flirtiness at times. If you haven't noticed, he is the one who pushes Yuuko to help others. Had it not been for him, the blonde Yuuko would have been killed in the Akahito-san scare. As for Momoe, her enthusiasm towards the supernatural can be as annoying as Yuuko's enthusiasm towards Teiichi when she pulls people along without caring about whether they want any part in it or not. The anime just made her more sympathetic by giving her an interest in Teiichi when she just runs all over the place. I never took her character seriously, but if you want to charge the slapstick as unjustified violence, then I'll give you that. |
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2012-06-08, 19:16 | Link #1042 | |
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TOxA is one of my top five manga I wasn't trying to denigrate it at all, Maybe is a great artist and storyteller, he WAS wasted on hentai but many mangaka get there start from there...so it goes...
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2012-06-08, 19:21 | Link #1043 | ||
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On another not...having a name like Maybe can make some posts confusing.
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2012-06-08, 19:33 | Link #1044 | |
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I just checked out Maybe's blog and I think he is saying that Yuuko's past is not necessarily how he will be presenting it in manga they had freedom to do it "their way"
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2012-06-08, 22:55 | Link #1046 |
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Haha. Interesting discussion of Yuuko. I'm on her side. She seems fairly normal, to me. Harsh and flippant, but so are some of the rest of us, who haven't spent fifty years not able to communicate with anyone, or at least with many people. I look forward to seeing the reintegrated Yuuko, who may be even more difficult to deal with when she has recovered all her memories and reintegrated her shadow self.
Heck, I even like Momoe, now that I know she hasn't a chance of coming between Teiichi and Yuuko. I've never enjoyed Fukuen Misato's work this much.
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2012-06-09, 00:43 | Link #1048 | ||
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Hey, Mr. FredFriendly, can I ask why is the reason for your continuous insistence that Yuuko-san is a
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2012-06-09, 06:36 | Link #1049 | |
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What I find most interesting is that you're not complaining about me calling Teiichi "idiot boy," which I have done many more times. Apparently you must agree with me on that one. |
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2012-06-09, 09:40 | Link #1050 | ||
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We can sometimes be complete fools when it comes to falling in love for the first time. You can't just assume that every single person would know what to do when put in the same situation as Teiichi (whether the girl involved is a ghost or not doesn't matter); Real Life's not a visual novel, for Pete's sake.
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2012-06-09, 10:31 | Link #1051 | |||||||
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The point was that Yuuko's invisibility is subjective. You stated problems where her invisibility is beyond suspension of disbelief when in fact some of her interactions with her surrounds are noticable. Quote:
However, for the sake of argument, let's assume your comparison is valid. In that case, you are chastising a person for not going beyond the line of duty do the maximal amount of good. By your line of logic, when Momoe wanted a ghost story investigated, all of the students in the entire school not named Teiichi or Kirie are "complete jerks" because they did not help her. Also, when the blonde Yuuko was tied up in the Akahito-san panic, everyone in the school is a complete jerk expect for Teiichi, Kirie, Momoe, and Yuuko. Only a select few helped, leaving the majority of the school inactive. You should see the flaw in that moral judgment. Certainly, Yuuko is nowhere near the paragon of virtue, but it's hardly a heavy sin either. Quote:
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Anyway, it would be nice if you could clarify to whom (or what) party you are directing ideas towards. If you really are responding to me, I would appreciate it if you didn't pull the straw man's argument. Yuuko as a character in the story is obviously flawed, and I can see that she is flawed. If I happen to disagree with you because I don't think your argument is fair, so be it. I am on my own side before I am on anyone else's. |
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2012-06-09, 14:19 | Link #1052 | |
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Around, and around, and around we go, where we stop, nobody knows. Actually, I have one further comment, then I shall bow out of this "discussion" with you, as we are getting nowhere, and filling the forum with ridiculous banter.
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If that's the case, then I might consider reading the manga. I would like to see Momoe fleshed out as something other than a butt monkey. There does seems to be a lot of hate directed at her here on this forum, but I guess that could simply be a result of not wanting her "coming between Teiichi and Yuuko." |
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2012-06-09, 15:51 | Link #1054 |
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AFAIK mangakas never start doing hentai, they might end up doing hentai because they want to stay in the "business" but they also have to pay the rent and eat. I would link it to the stygma any movie director would get for doing an average xxx film. This is the very first time I have heard someone has raised from doing hentai manga and done a succesful manga. That would also explain why he was so lenient with the changes the studio did with his story, as long as he gets more readers he will probably be happy.
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2012-06-09, 16:04 | Link #1056 | |
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Boichi (Sun-Ken-Rock) The Satou brothers (Highschool of the Dead) Nakata Yumi (Kanojo no Kagi wo Akeru Houhou) Takeda Hiromitsu (Makin-ki) These (and few others I don't remember right now) all started doing hentai before making their hit non-h manga series. |
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2012-06-09, 16:08 | Link #1057 | |
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I do remember the HOTD brothers (their H-origins still shows in the artwork), albeit they have not published a chapter for so long it was no longer in my mind. If the maken-ki manga is like the anime it still lacks what I call an entertaining plot >_< |
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2012-06-09, 16:24 | Link #1058 | |
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Boichi's hentai were published by Hit Publishing Company. Satou Shouji's hentai ran in Core Magazine. Nakata Yumi's hentai were published by Jitsugyou no Nihonsha and some even ran in a magazine. Takeda Hiromitsu's hentai were published by multiple different publishers and ran in different magazines. I also think you are quite mistaken about Dj. While some do Dj as a hobby, many use it as a way to better their skills while gaining the opportunity to enter the industry. Many more mangaka started out doing Dj (non-h) because they either lacked the money, skill or opportunity to get published by a company. Many Dj artists do them because they aim to be mangaka, sadly only a few actually manage so, and fewer get hit series. Well you might not consider it to have a good plot but some people do, it's a matter of taste. Plus it was a hit manga in Japan, proving the point that some mangaka with hit manga started out in hentai. |
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2012-06-10, 01:18 | Link #1059 |
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And as we all know, if the girls look good enough, most people won't care about much else... Why else would Maybe include at least one good fanservicey shot of Yuuko per chapter?
*looks at some of the other posts* And all my time doing my summer studies has led me away from such great 'discussions' like these.
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2012-06-10, 13:31 | Link #1060 |
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Watched the raw of episode 10, while I need to watch the subbed version to fully understand all that was going on,as expected it did present the death of Yuuko as witnessed by Teiichi in spirit form.
I think it was very effective in presenting the terror that Yuuko felt while all alone, left to die
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