Higurashi Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[myopius]

The episodes just get increasingly awesome. And deeper, too, judging by the discussion I'm reading in this thread that's just way over me unless I were to also click on the tips. The tip that somebody quoted was really interesting, though.

I hope that once this series is over, somebody can tie it all together (although I know not every question is answered) for those of us who are slow-witted.

[Darklightz]

Haha,I loved this episode.Rena is one loli you do not want to mess with!Contrary to other characters she doesn't waste time in schemes and such,but goes directly for the kill!

And I just loved when Rena led Rina through the dump and told her it's her "secret hiding place,where nobody goes...nor can anyone hear anything".That's as good a death sentence as it gets ^_^

You know you got good friends when they help you dispose of the bodies XD

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Darklightz

You know you got good friends when they help you dispose of the bodies XD

Quoted because it bears repeating


Much 'wow' in this episode. And a nice shot in the eye to the people who kept saying that Rena's giant knife was just fanservice :P

It's strange, though: in the "spoiler scene" at the beginning of Tatarigoroshi-hen, Rina got the Watanagashi Deluxe Package and was tossed into a river. Here, she's beaten and dismembered and buried in a cave. FPB smells mindscrew
And every time I see Ooishi I get this overwhelming 'oh crap' feeling - especially this time. It's like he always knows everything before he even gets started. So cheap.

[DingoEnderZOE2]

Great episode. It was satisfying to see Rena extract "justice"(?) on the ones who would have ruined her fathers life if she hadn't done something. Call me strange or disturbed but I especially liked the part where Rina got the look of fear in her eye when she noticed the lead pipe in Renas hand, and realized what she was about to do with it so she makes a desperate but hopeless cry for mercy only to have it thrown out the window, and her face crushed in and her teeth knocked out.

I always found it more satisfying in movies,novels,games, and comic books where the victim knows whats coming to them, theres no negotiating around it, yet they still try to come out with the "No please wait!".

It's no fun when the victim get taken out by surprise like in Teppeis case.

I was also impressed by how deep the friendship Keichi and the others had for Rena that they were so willing to be forgiving AND to help her dispose of the bodys no less. That was truly some good bonding right there.

[Sinestra]

i knew Rena was going to get nasty on them but damn. Keiichi and everyone came to her aid because they are friends. But how far does friendship go? covering up a murder and helping your friend get away with it thats what i call a tight relationship.

Was that chick that Rena beat to hamburger really pregnant or was she just using that as an excuse?

[Supergrunch]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Was that chick that Rena beat to hamburger really pregnant or was she just using that as an excuse?

It seemed to me like she'd made it up to fool Rena's dad.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

But how far does friendship go? covering up a murder and helping your friend get away with it thats what i call a tight relationship.

I find it interesting that K1 is all "we're friends, so we need to tell each other stuff!" here, but in Tatarigoroshi-hen he hid what he did even though all his friends knew what happened. -1 for hipocrisy.

[Shuin4]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

I find it interesting that K1 is all "we're friends, so we need to tell each other stuff!" here, but in Tatarigoroshi-hen he hid what he did even though all his friends knew what happened. -1 for hipocrisy.

No, he was talking about if Rena had a problem this bad, she shouldn't be hiding it from the gang, since this is something they could help with. I really don't think he meant "well if any of you guys have recently murdered anyone just tell us we'll understand!"

[FatPianoBoy]

I know that's what he meant. K1 obviously had some major problems in Onikakushi-hen and Tatarigoroshi-hen (Onikakushi-hen doesn't really count, because the only people he would have told seemed to be trying to kill him), but he never told anyone.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

I find it interesting that K1 is all "we're friends, so we need to tell each other stuff!" here, but in Tatarigoroshi-hen he hid what he did even though all his friends knew what happened. -1 for hipocrisy.

I agree practice what you preach. If you gun hoe for friends dont hide then K! should live up to the bullshit he putting out

[Choki]

Im wondering....the response Keiichi and gang showed.....does it show that the bonding of the people of Hinamizawa

[Kisuke06]

Originally Posted by Choki

Im wondering....the response Keiichi and gang showed.....does it show that the bonding of the people of Hinamizawa

True. But I can't help thinking that Rena will eventually kill then all, thinking that someone might say something. But who knows what will happen?

[Jaden]

Damn I jumped at around 12:20 when Rena is chopping limbs off the corpse and Keiichi says "Hey hey, you're missing quite some pieces there" before the scene shifts to them playing mahjong.

[White Manju Bun]

Whoa I love ebil Rena! For a sec I thought she was gonna chop up everyone else too when she was saying that no one would have done anything.

[SweetSpring]

Originally Posted by MarthX

I don't know about that. I think Adult Swim is capable of showing that level of violence.

thank goodness my sis was guiding me for that whole show...

[Eric the Grey]

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Such a scenario would explain a lot of Rena's and Mion's behavior throughout the arc... In particular it explains why they would be upset at him talking with Ooishi considering that they were involved in something that would get them in trouble.

Heh, I was so pissed off when I finished watching this EP, I was ready to chuck it all, even this close to the end, and then you've got to go and say that.

I mean, suddenly adding two more bodies to the whole, that haven't been there all this tiem just threw me for a loop, but now... *sigh*


Eric the Grey

[kj1980]

Might I remind people that while Tsumihoroboshi is the relevant answer to Onikakushi, there IS NO DIRECT connection with Onikakushi. Tsumihoroboshi gives you the most logical explanation to Keiichi's state of mind in Onikakushi by showing Rena spiraling down a similar level of insanity with a totally different story.


Simply put:

While Watanagashi = Meakashi (technically it isn't, but it's close enough)
But Onikakushi ≠ Tsumihoroboshi


Hence, Rena did NOT kill Rina or Teppei in Onikakushi, nor did the friends there help her hide the body.

[Goras]

Originally Posted by Serenity85

After watching the ep. and reading the tips for it, in particular "My favorite Wine" it got me thinking back to some pics i say in the wallpaper thread.

I beleive that there is infact some entity that rika, maybe rena can see/hear, whether its Oyashiro-sama or not (I lean to yes, would make sense unless Oyashiro-sama is suppose to be a he not a she)

*note all pics are from the wall gallery*

http://img321.imageshack.us/my.php?i...g0085133rh.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?i...11255759xe.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enamili9ur.jpg

In all these pics there is ghostly figure which resembles Rika almost to a "T" When I first saw these pics I was like, they must be fan made not real or important, but now I do believe 100% that she is real and that she is tied to the whole mystery somehow. Hmm, if not Oyashiro-sama, maybe the ghost of the first Rika that died who now travels between time periods in hopes of preventing her death maybe... hmmm

P.S. I really love this show, hopes for the manga/game to be translated *fingers crossed*

I belive thats Hanyuu, a character introduced in Matsuribayashi-hen.

[chrno_the_sinner]

Originally Posted by Goras

I belive thats Hanyuu, a character introduced in Matsuribayashi-hen.

Minagoroshi-hen actually.

On a side note, ayyo of Makenai desuwayo has put up the page for his translation of Minagoroshi-hen. There's nothing there yet, just a picture and a song from the game.:

http://zettai.makenaidesuwayo.com

[Wanderer]

Originally Posted by kj1980

While Watanagashi = Meakashi (technically it isn't, but it's close enough)
But Onikakushi ≠ Tsumihoroboshi


Hence, Rena did NOT kill Rina or Teppei in Onikakushi, nor did the friends there help her hide the body.

Well, unless there was something shown to confirm this that I missed, this is a bit of a spoiler. I fully understand that Onikakushi ≠ Tsumihoroboshi like Watanagashi = Meakashi. However, I did not know to what degree this is true. I was not saying that Rena's murders happenned for certain, just that there was some circumstantial evidence that they did happen. I just thought it was a significant possibilty worth some attention.