2011-05-06, 04:21 | Link #2041 | ||||
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actually, yes. It's just that it's mainly the main governement *wants to promote magic*, while the governement in ZKC wants to control ESP.
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When it comes to prisons, it's likely they use AMF though (or high grade limiters). Quote:
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2011-05-06, 05:37 | Link #2042 | |||
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Also, I don't remember the exact thread, but it has been discussed here that Gadget Drones are powered by magic, yet they can generate AMFs, fire their weapons and be empowered by Lutecia's magic. And wanting to promote magic doesn't mean you must ignore the AMFs. Modern armies use electronics, but that doesn't stop them from R&D-ing EMP technology. Why? Because everybody use magic/electronics, including your enemy. A sensible army must think of every possibilities. And don't forget terrorist, who won't give a damn over the law regarding AMFs of such(or any other laws, really). And there's one thing from ZKC I wished was also present on Force: anti-magic with IFFs, which can be set to not affect friendlies. Quote:
Yes, prisons in fanfics usually make heavy use of them, but no signs in canon. And how about civilians? Limiters only restraints specific individuals, those who had agreed to be collared with one. What if a powerful unregistered mage suddenly decide to go emo and say, vaporize an entire amusement park just because their crush dumps them? Quote:
PS: Sometimes I wonder if Force was actually supposed to be an anime, and there was going to be supplementary mangas to cover the necessary details not highlighted on the main series. Force NEXT doesn't seem sufficient, since they usually focus on one character and their abilities, with little to no descriptions on things like "how Eclipse works in general" or "The abilities and limits of Eclipse" (since I can't fathom how it doesn't affect flight)
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2011-05-06, 06:39 | Link #2043 |
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Onii-san told me about how the Raptors will change how Nanoha will be like from now on. I can only appreciate how silly the franchise will become. I quote: "How will they screw this up?" That NEXT article does not help. Instead of the NUMBER-type gynoids, I found myself reminded of the mono-eyed monstrosities that populate Onii-san's shelf. Talk about being terribly disappointed.
So, Force NEXT? Excuse me while I go drink some Pepsi NEXT. ^_^
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2011-05-06, 07:28 | Link #2044 | |||||||
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We saw what AMF did to their base, amongst other things, but it's not even the point. The point is they *don't want* to use AMF as a philosophical standpoint, especially in neutral environment. Quote:
Second, do i need to repeat myself about TSAB having no rival governement? they don't want AMF to be widespread, and it's in fact a rather new development for machines to use it so widespread. Since then, they have been training people to resist it. Quote:
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Oh, and BTW SUYCH ATTEMPT ARE MADE IN FORCE. Why do you think every force Next talks about how Nanoha's and Vita's weapon are to be refined until mass production can begin? |
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2011-05-06, 07:33 | Link #2045 | ||
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I'll reserve further commenting on these mages until I actually haul ass to read FORCE again. Btw, idea! If the Raptors are Cywarriors, then their armor are CYBODIES. *shot*
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Flexible idealism, much? (Then again this is the same organization who legalize child soldiers) Quote:
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When criminals start using guns, did cops think it's enough that they also have guns? No, they start wearing body armor. And before someone points to me how they already have protection spells, remember what I said earlier about redundant defenses. And lets not forget that TSAB also deals with Lost Logia's some of which has the magical capability to annihilate continents. The Huckebein anti-magic can dispel Arc-en-Ciel. Even if the TSAB can't make it that powerful the strategic value still mustn't be dismissed. Quote:
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2011-05-06, 18:19 | Link #2047 | |||
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While the raptors are similar to combat cyborgs i guess they have some differences that make those able to use the AEC-Equips, like a mana generator or something, also this "living material" still bugs me(Nanoha Clone Wars is coming). Spoiler for comeback:
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2011-05-08, 05:48 | Link #2049 | ||||||
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the TSAB's response against anti-magic has been to make Anti-magic not a viable option. If they use anti-magic against anti-magic, it will quickly escalate where everyone needs to use anti-magic and magic for civilian use gets more and more difficult. the TSAB' stance in this makes perfect stance- this is not ZKC where Espers are the freaks you must control, this is a world that want and thrive on magic. In that case, their solutions, which is to make all their armed force resistant to Anti-magic in order to make Anti-magic utterly useless, is the right one. After all, if anti-magic becoems useless (not dangerous for the user, but useless) it will just be abandoned by most. Quote:
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They want Magic to work and be considered normal. It's a different standpoint from ZKC, that's all. Quote:
That they are also doing something about biorobot means nothing so far. |
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2011-05-13, 10:47 | Link #2051 |
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26 would be a good estimation. Just let's hope they don't introduce characters and relies on the assumption that viewers have read the manga to know them. This means meaningful flashbacks, backstories; and zero training episodes or teeheheheeh onsen/shopping/fluff or shiptease scenes.
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2011-05-13, 17:59 | Link #2055 |
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Considering the insane amount of pages FORCE take to depict motion in detail for every Tohma scene i'd say it will be between 4 to 6 chapters. If we cut the fifght to their basic moments Ch. 9 to 15 can be resumed into two episodes easily.
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2011-05-13, 21:28 | Link #2057 |
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I'd say that is flanderized a bit, but if they wanted to animate some of these fights so far they'd definitely have to add more meat to them. If you wanted to make Signum VS Cypha a full episode, for example, they'd have to expand the fight a little bit.
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2011-05-14, 00:22 | Link #2058 |
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It probably just endure for half an episode with chit-chat from S6 or Tohma's flashbacks as filler xDU
Someone already says this but i wonder if this will be the time for another epic shout-out to GaoGaiGar with Subaru's own version of "Hell & Heaven" now that she now posses a very effective left-arm defensive equip(Seriously the Sword Breaker is the only thing preventing me from completely dismiss the AEC-Equips as a bunch of faulty prototypes). It will be awesome to see her obliterating Cypha with it xD.
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2011-05-14, 03:28 | Link #2059 |
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Well, an episode generally needs a good start-middle-finish ground to work as an episode. Even cliffhangers need to be thought about, as you can't just throw them down wherever you want.
As such, here's what I think would make of a Force anime so far: Episode 1: Chapter 1 serves as a good first episode. There are plenty of things happening that can be stretched to fit a 20 minute episode without feeling bloated, and it's an ideal introduction of Thoma and Lily. Episode 2: Chapter two is an exposition chapter, so that serves as a good counterbalance for the action-packed ending of the first episode. I would add the first 3 pages of chapter 3 to give the episode a more tense ending that leaves the viewer wanting to see more. Episode 3: After the exposition episode we need some action in this one, so episode 3 should try to combine chapter 3 with page 1-12 of chapter 4. Combining exposition with action was a staple in A's and one of the reasons the season did so well, with the page 12 cliffhanger at the end viewers will be at the edge of their seat. Episode 4: 4 finishes the first fight with Veyron. Being that fights are often drawn out compared to their manga counterparts, this'll probably fill it a good part of the episode. Continuing with the bla bla parts afterwards, I'd end it with page 15 of chapter 5, as this leaves us with a light "who is that eyepatched girl?" cliffhanger. Episode 5: Action episode! After the flashback Cypha enters, which means it's fighty time! Still quite a bit of talky here though, what with Thoma's flashbacks and all... We can probably edit that and put the two flashbacks together to keep the flow of the battle going, and end the fight with Signum's defeat and the flashbacks with Thoma going loco. Episode 6: Hucks pick up Thoma & co, yada yada yada, end episode with TSAB arrival. It's a talky episode anyway, any leftover time can be used for some anime-original expanding of the characters. Episode 7: Zooming through this shouldn't be too difficult. Maybe some minor shuffling of scenes with the editing and end it with chapter 10. Episode 8: Combine chapters 11 and 12. Episode 9: Combine 13 and 14, end with the screaming cliffhanger. And that's what I have so far. Nine episodes. Could be more, could be less considering how we handle the talky scenes and the fighty scenes. Some filler here and there will be required, but as long as we make that filler useful by expanding on the characters or the plot it can work to improve the series as a whole. |
2011-05-14, 04:31 | Link #2060 |
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9 episodes? wow, that means it only rest 4 more episodes to end the Arc ...or the first half of the season depending on what format you're following(13 or 26 episodes). It will be amusing seeing things wrapped up into four episodes xDU
Jokes aside, the FORCE NEXT images sometimes have some "exciting" phrases on the black arrow a the top of the image in orange letters(for example: Cypha's one says something like "here! the number one swordswoman of the Huckebein family who defeats Signum and Agito" yeah -_-, they actually think we are going to forget that so they need to remind us of that xDU ....but whatever, now to the important thing) and the "Raptor" design have a phrase that reads something among the lines of "Here's Caledfwich Techniques last weapon, the new element that will be part of the last stage of this story". I don't have the image right now(my old PC dies and i'm busy with homework only posting this during a break), so i will return with a revised version of said statement but for now apparently FORCE will road to the second/last part of the current Arc and the Raptors will play a big part in it.
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