2008-06-07, 12:06 | Link #981 |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sky of stone, floor of flame.
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I don't have much in the way of time, so I'll make this short, but enough is enough. I am ROYALLY SICK of seeing the same kinds of goddamn PISSING matches EVERY TIME I come here. We have, as a community, become so bound to our self-imposed restrictions of what can and can't be done that any attempt to step outside the boundaries is to incur the wrath of all those who name themselves "enforcers" of the "law" here. To be simple, we've completely lost sight of this thread's purpose. Back when I joined, things like a derivation of canon were thought of as "crack" and "humorous, but not dangerous." Now, we have someone pushing the boundaries getting FLAMED simply for doing it. I myself am losing interest in posting any new material of my own because I'm wary it's going to go the same way: "OH NOES HAXX BURN GTFO." I do not understand why we are so worried about destroying the bounds of canon or anything along those lines. Again, many far more extreme materials were created earlier in this thread's life and were accepted - material I believe would be attacked if put up now. ... ...And it seems like Aaron once again has the intervention covered, which has deflated me somewhat as well. -_-; I will say this though: I too am getting tempted to go to the mods and have them crack some heads. It's beyond disgusting that this kind of mudslinging is allowed to continue unchecked. I'm willing to bet that people have been and are being driven off because of this, and people are the lifeblood of Cadia. I feel a bit better now. I am not angry, merely indignant. If you want to see me truly angry, keep this fight up - I'll be a lot more willing to vent after a tedious workday or two. EDIT: Page claim for the mute button.
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2008-06-07, 12:11 | Link #985 | ||
Truth Martyr
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Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork.
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See? You're starting to get the hang of this. *gives an apple* The main thing I was unhappy with the whole "wowing" was really that it was rather unrealistic for everyone to be wowed on the spot. Sure the Aces would have their fans, but then for each fan there'd be a person who'd dislike them. Another alternative way to develop this is that the Aces have lots of public support, but internally in the TSAB it's a long battle to build rep and gain experience and wowing people by their actions - it'd take a while, since that's what happens with deeds, but as time went by the Aces would build a fanbase amongst the TSAB proper - you could have a situation where the rank and file loves the aces and the Brass dislikes them for coming in and messing up the status quo with regards to influence and the like. Another thing to note: influence = leadership. If they can build greater spheres of influence it creates a greater political powerbase with more political capital for them to work with. Anyway yeah I think I did overreact a bit here in a knee-jerk reaction so I'll step back for a bit and take a look at it when you're done more. Though my points remain. Edit: ...Juliet Hotel Charlie, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot happened here? Garh another intervention from Aaron. -_-
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2008-06-07, 12:12 | Link #988 | ||||
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Well that's an exaggeration, but he would surely find her to be intensely annoying all the same, and question Teana's sanity for staying around her...
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As for the rest of it indeed might have gotten too tough even just before Coma showed up, but he really brought out the worst in everyone and frankly anyone that's been on IRC can tell you he REALLY hasn't helped himself much since. I've been trying to just ignore him, but when I saw this latest stuff about basiclly trying to get rid of the TSAB I just couldn't take it that's too much for me to sallow. Quote:
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After all it’s a common theme throughout history for militaries to at least on some level respect each other or even find the other side impressive or admirable in some aspects… while still striving to destroy them. Basically people are impressed by the Aces, but for people that don't know them that well consider what they see? A bunch of high ranked celebrities getting special treatment and basiclly doing as they please while they're stuck following orders and obeying the structure of the TSAB. That's BOUND to breed resentment.
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2008-06-07, 12:19 | Link #990 | |
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Goose and TK are right to an extent, handwaving the bureacracy and acting like it doesn't exist isn't going to work. All I'm trying to do is put it in another room and let the Aces deal with situations as they appear without worrying overmuch about how this or that is going to affect their political standings. Basically the worst you're probably going to see is Hayate griping about orders from her superiors, just like how in StrikerS Regius's "examination" or whatever he was trying to do wasn't shown on screen. It may exist but it will not be a focus of the story and I'm sorry but that's not going to change. I sincerely doubt my ability to write a believable military/political thriller like a Tom Clancy wannabe and frankly I'm not really interested in doing so in the first place.
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2008-06-07, 12:24 | Link #991 | |||
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But yes, you do have a valid point that things have become more canon focused since the creation of the thread. Whether that's a good things or bad is debateable but I'd like to think that most of the stuff since has been good for the creation of characters in general. So yeah, coming back to all of this. Could people keep the agression out of thier posts. Keep the discussion going, disagree if you must, but if you can't find common ground then agree to disagree and drop the matter so that the thread doesn't get shut down for good. Edit: Whee Tons of posts before mine got through... |
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2008-06-07, 12:27 | Link #993 | |||
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When I said, a long time back, that I had planned out the story and uberplot in great detail, I wasn't kidding. At this point, the only major alterations would be additions, especially if a certain planned chapter is getting too unwieldy in wordcount. Quote:
Maybe they're lying low, especially after Jail's very public defeat. Or they're engaged in other enterprises not as megalomaniacal. (Nature vs Nurture, after all.) Chances are, though, that since Jail is using a long-since extinct civilization's methods to create clones of himself, it's just not cost-effective to mass-produce said clones, not to mention keep them alive and hidden until they're ready. - Something which had been percolating in my mind for a while is the question of why the Infinite Library seems so under-utilized in canon. Now, the first possible objection would be that it isn't under-utilized, but the anime focuses on personal interactions and flashy battles, so we don't see the background scenes where everyone consults the Library. Entirely possible, and probably even likely. Other than that, one reason might be that the TSAB doesn't realize how useful a resource it has. Which would turn into a TSAB bashing fest again, so we'll treat it as a done discussion. The other possible reason I am looking into is that the TSAB knows how amazing the Library is, but they are consciously not making use of it at every turn, entirely because they do not want to be too dependent on the information from it. If a society has been conditioned that a certain resource is the fount of all knowledge, then it is plausible that in that society, innovation is dead. After all, why come up with something new, when there's an existing design for an analogue that probably works just as well? Note that this is not a certainty, but merely a possibility. The belief in that possibility, coupled with some persuasive arguments, could have resulted in the TSAB overcompensating the other way. It's a slippery slope argument, but the potential risks may have been enough. |
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2008-06-07, 12:32 | Link #994 | |
RUN, YOU FOOLS!
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
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2008-06-07, 12:35 | Link #995 | ||||
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I think I'll just go ahead and not continue this debacle. First steps to settle these debates is not replying to them, after all.
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Though how much does he love blowing up whatever place he has a job at? With my current plans of Tesla having an investigative job that might create a small amount of friction (albeit nothing beyond facepalming level). Oh, there's nothing wrong with analogies. Just that the American army is hardly what you'd call an accurate comparison to the TSAB, which destabilizes any analogy made. |
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2008-06-07, 12:36 | Link #996 | |
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- My primary complaint about the OC thread(s) in general remains unchanged, since it began: please don't flood the pages with huge pictures, countless Youtube embeds, and words in huge font. Amusingly, the flaming going on is annoying, but not as annoying as the spam. In the end, it boils down to low signal-to-noise ratios. I am here to discuss Original Characters and their related stories, not wade through people sniping and screaming at each other. I don't care if people don't like me, as long as my OCs and stories get critiqued and discussed independently of personal feelings. |
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2008-06-07, 12:39 | Link #997 | |||||||||||||||
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Thanks! Madness? This. Is. Cadia. And Acous is gonna get some more love from me before this is over. I apologize for all gay under/overtones in that statement, they are absolutely groundless. Ash? He's not powerful as in "ka-boom" powerful, but he's powerful as in "just-as-planned" powerful. Their profiles need a bit of redo-ing, thanks to you if I remember. Not that I'm complaining, that helped me a nice bit. You'll prolly see them on Ghaz's index post. Eventually Quote:
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I think I'd like to make a very important point here: StrikerS in many ways, like Nanoha in many ways, is representative of an ideal, and so in some ways you can't blame them for being unrealistic. As a matter of fact, I find that in the light of the ideal that Nanoha tries to embody as a series, Comart is actually more accurate! Not that this ideal is bad, I love it for its own idiosyncratic good points. And on a less important point: First, I think CRIMINAL is a bad word to use in describing our Commander here. It wasn't used by everybody, notably only by a certain cheesehead who ended up with 3 nice red holes in his chest. Second, being a girl is apparently no problem in the TSAB when it comes to command. We have two female Admirals, a female representative for the Saint Church, and a lil' boy for top dog Enforcer of a whole ship. Regius is like token resistance in some sense actually Lastly, I think we're all stubborn sometimes. Soften your edges a little, it tends to help a great deal when dealing with others. They won't feel so poked and prodded, or worse, stabbed that way. Anyway, Comart, if ya still/ever/did think I'm a piece of work, then consider this my humble apology to you Quote:
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This is a.k.a Hero Worship. Too much politics in this analysis, and too little anthropology. We might need a rethink here. I find the Aces being worshipped for their reputation and stuff plausible, and by extension of this reputation, RF6. Quote:
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*Xena looks at Kha...* Oh, alright. Have a tissue, Kleriker. *me pats Kha on the back* EDIT: ARRRR!!!! Everyone ninja'd me like HELL while I was typing. Sigh, I need to type long-posts fasta... *hangs head* |
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2008-06-07, 13:03 | Link #998 | |||
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I was going to make a post and all but I'm tired and I'm rather annoyed that I wasted 2 hours of sleep time following this. I would say more but I'm too tired.
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And no, you do not need to write like Tom Clancy. John Ringo, on the other hand.... Just kidding. Or Am I? @Xena: When I said girl, I was referring to the fact that Hayatechans is still a 19-year old teenaged girl, while our two admirals are All Woman And Then Some. And Human Nature remains the same in anime or real life or fanfic. And where did the reason and clarity go? I set it aside to try and be nice, ah well it must be placed on again. @Kha: Remember that the higher ground makes you a better target. And don't be so quick to dismiss me, brother. I am you. You are I. We are the same. I am the soldier. You are the prisoner. Who is the soldier? Who is the prisoner? You are I. The prisoner Am I. The soldier are you. We are one. Who is the Soldier? Who is the Prisoner? Who is Kha? Who is Goose? nn jmhbvcbxnk,kc vrx m,xgSDGFtn dBhSHBnjmmjgxzst
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2008-06-07, 13:14 | Link #999 | |
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In some ways his approach to his work is sort of based a bit on a sort of a theme from Appleseed manga (or at least how I took it). Namely that you can get swept up and so involved in something almost by accident that even if you later want to leave you can't because you've got no where else to go in that case and this one that world is the military/mercenary world. Basically he often rather dislikes many aspects of his job, but its basiclly the only thing he’s good enough at to make a living off of. Acutally he’s really good at it and yet he still often hates it... Quote:
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