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Originally Posted by Demi.
But it's not a fair comparison, because what Fate managed to do to Signum happened before Nanohas linker core got stolen. I'm not sure how that constitutes as holding it together.
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Because we can compare the two from the moment Fate sees Nanoha is being drained. Even if you ignore everything that came before that point, in both the movie and the series, we see a stark difference in Fate's actions, once she sees that Nanoha is in trouble. Yes, Signum blocked her path, but had Fate kept going forward, Signum would have attacked her. I think you can agree to that. In the movie, we see exactly what would have happened, had Fate continued forward.
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Another thing is that they had the intention to steal Fate's linker core in the movie, they were merely holding her off in the series. The only thing I'll give you credit for is how Fate may have seemed a little bit more squishy in the movie. She took quite a bit of damage when she was thrown into the building the second time. But according to Signum, this should have left her unconscious.
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In the series, you don't really think they would have avoided draining Fate if they could, during the first encounter? In fact, Signum's response in the movie, is exactly what I would have expected if they got the opportunity in the series: "I've downed a mage. Pass me the book."
Considerably squishier; Fate got tossed into *two* buildings in the series, and was still able to move and fight just fine.
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The significance of this change was made explicitely clear during their second encounter. Where Signum noted that Fate seemed far more skilled than before and had won far too easily during their first encounter. In which Signum asks if Nanoha is someone important to her in which Fate replies, "my friend." She also states this another time inferring that Fate lost her cool the first time, which was why she underperformed.
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Signum wondered if it was training or mental state, that allowed her to fight better the second time. Fate essentially replied that it was both. But that is my point: even though it was short, the instance of Nanoha being drained in the series, didn't cause Fate to allow herself to open herself up to an attack.
You know, if anything, Fate *should* have been more distraught during the series. In the movie, they actually had a chance to meet and talk, thus relieve some of the angst about being apart. In the series, the first time Fate sees Nanoha again, is when Yuuno teleports her in and she sees Nanoha unable to move on the ground. Which makes Fate's "We were apart" line in the movie feel really odd to me. You just saw her, girl!
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Also you're completely disregarding Fate's other battles with Signum which were much more evenly matched...Which drives the point home.
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The other matches were with the cartridge system/shonen power up. Note that in the series, as I said, Fate manages a hit on Signum in their first encounter (Signum lifts her shirt later to expose the mark to Zafira). Maybe if Fate wasn't too distraught in the movie she might have done that too, but it didn't seem likely to me. She really got pwned hard. It really made her look bad. If it were me, I would have preferred they had her put up more of a fight. Note that this ties into the general discontent I have in general, regarding how the cartridge system was handled in the movie.
Out of all the problems I have with Fate, I actually think this was a detriment to her character, and should have been better handled, to not make her appear so weak. She does have issues losing her cool (Jail pointed that out), but in the A's series, she didn't let it open her up to an attack, or get taken down hard because of it.
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I dont recall Signum slicing at her in the series either, she just blocked her path. Nanoha was also fully conscious when Fate charged for her in the series. Not the case in the movie.
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As I said above, don't you think Signum would have sliced at her, had Fate tried to continue forwards?
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Originally Posted by xizro345
I was going to make another more detailed post but the amount of heated discussion is too much for my tastes (very much like when the details for the movie started trickled in, from what I remember). I'll just say that some comparisons with other movies as a sign of "mainstream corruption" are a bit extreme.
As for what comes afterwards... I actually wouldn't mind a StrikerS movie.
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"Mainstream corruption" can be either good or bad, depending on where you sit. Such things does make a movie appeal to more people, so obviously, a lot of people like it. Moe and yuri are hot topics among a particular part of the anime crowd these days, mostly males, who tend to buy more anime and figurines and such.
I will say this for Tsuzuki, though... at least we are getting completely new animation, new scenes, and upgraded versions of scenes that were in the series. The poor Madoka crowd merely got the 12 episodes repackaged into two movies. The exact same animation, music, and scenes. Talk about a trolling cash grab.... although they are supposed to get a third movie that is completely new. I get the feeling we just might get a completely new third movie, though, since they set the A's movie dialogue 2 years after, instead of 6. That makes time plenty of time before StrikerS for a new movie.
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