2012-07-03, 22:43 | Link #461 | |
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Besides, what makes someone who watches for pure sexual fanservice any better? Wait...I don't understand your rationale?....same thing bothways.
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2012-07-03, 22:50 | Link #462 |
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This isn't directed at you in particular but at everyone. Please keep in mind the number one rule: Do Not Feed The Trolls.
I do think people are entitled to their opinion, though trying to "call people out" who might enjoy the show was not a good idea. That said, it's getting a lot more attention than its worth because people won't let it go.
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2012-07-03, 23:44 | Link #467 |
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Actually, when one thinks about it, some of the issues make some sense on further reflection... provided that you are 1) Asian, 2) live in Asia and thus understand the Asian mindset.
Why give the TSFs to the girls? Because, as has been said in the beginning of the episode, all the boys are already on the frontlines. Note also that this is Imperial Japan - the Shogunate apparently never fell, or at least if World War 2 did happen in this timeline, postwar the Chrysanthemum Throne has regained its power. Note also that the TSFs they're using are the Gekishin, which is the licensed Japanese production model of the F-4 Phantom, and the frontline fighter is the Type-82 Zuikaku, aka F-15 Eagle. They're not using the newest, best mecha - they're using old, practically useless, obselete units. Which actually makes sense, since there's no point in giving a high performance fighter to a trainee pilot. At the same time though, it also explains why there are still tanks and self-propelled artillery: It's easier to train tank and artillery crews than pilots, who are notoriously expensive (a US Navy figure bandied about a decade ago claimed that one Naval Aviator would cost 2 million US Dollars for training alone). The setting of Muv Luv is one of a crapsack world. Even more so than Gundam, people are born to die in this world. The whole point of the series, arguably, is not the skin tight practically transparent bodysuits with nothing worn underneath (which both teases the viewer with vapor wear, in addition to the human eye's habit of finding long, sleek shapes naturally pleasing) or the mecha, but about an entire race deciding that they will not go quietly into the night. Sometimes, you have to make a last stand because it's your only option. There's nothing really inherently wrong with that. The vast majority of Medal of Honor citations have been for last stands. While I don't like cute girls dying, and frankly I have low hopes for Yui's squad (a bunch of newbie pilots in obsolete TSFs with zero combat time and practically zero training - not even reaching the 200th hour*) - it'd be like sending a flight of nuggets up against two squadrons of F-22s - what does catch my interest in this story is humanity's last stand. And so I watch, because there's something visceral about the last stand that calls out to others. Also, one problem with this prologue, set in 1998, is that the promo releases say that Yui will be transferred to Alaska in 2001. So no matter what, she's surviving this. That kinda removes some tension, IMO. ...if promo releases and summaries which state that the main meat of the story takes place in 2001 and feature the main character are considered spoilers, I'll find a hat and eat it. Huh. That's actually pretty catchy... and accurate. Wish I'd thought of that. Edit: On an aside, who's voicing Yui's uncle? He sounds a lot like Taxi Nakata, but I can't be totally sure... also, the Admiral commanding the 6th fleet is wearing navy shades at night. Oh well, that's one way to show he's a hardass man with a will of iron, I suppose.
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2012-07-03, 23:55 | Link #468 | |
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A bit nitpick, but you might want to narrow that down to a more specific region since I'm (south east) Asian, I live in Asia, and yet I have no idea how their anime mindset could be called Asian.
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2012-07-03, 23:59 | Link #469 |
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Just saw the first episodes and I’m new to the franchise too. It’s so far so good I guess. I like that the characters here act more logically and more down to earth than other mecha series like say, Aquarion Evol or Guilty Crown. The grim atmosphere is also a nice change after I get diabetes from watching Shining Hearts: Bread of Happiness and the colorful Gundam AGE .
Ok, I’m sold.
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2012-07-04, 00:18 | Link #472 | |
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Don't we already have "Chomp"? I guess we could use another one for the TSFs.
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Zuikaku is actually a modified F4J, and not F-15 Eagle. It'd be the Kagerou if that is the case... ... I dunno? Somewhere cold? Last edited by Silvance; 2012-07-04 at 00:44. |
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2012-07-04, 00:50 | Link #473 | |
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2012-07-04, 00:58 | Link #474 | |
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It just... fits better... Glad to see others like it. Used it a few times for laughs with those who did the VNs and WH40k. |
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2012-07-04, 01:20 | Link #475 | |
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This is due to Marika's awesome tight space suit and the bodysuits these girls are wearing. That's why. Well, the Mojave Desert's a pretty cool place to live [/Fallout]
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Thanks to 0utf0xZer0, I just watched this. Pretty good first episode, and it's nice to see an anime show of this starkly serious sci-fi style for a change. Lovely character designs and personalities. Excellent setup episode for what looks to be an intense last stand.
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I'll admit it's not the most original concept around (kind of like a megalomanical bad guy that wants to take over the world) but at least it's really clear-cut, easy to accept, and quite serious (again, kind of like a megalomanical bad guy that wants to take over the world - there's a reason this is cliche; it's because it's very easy to get and its inherently dramatic). Quote:
Also, some of the fun of a show like this is the sci-fi "What if?" element to it. Kind of like the classic sci-fi film The Planet of the Apes. It can be interesting to see characters try to overcome serious (and nowhere in real life) threats to humanity as a whole.
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2012-07-04, 01:48 | Link #477 | |
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The irony behind this statement is hilarious, considering the general mood and subject matter of of Muv-Luv Extra, which is many people's first impression of Muv-Luv. |
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2012-07-04, 02:54 | Link #478 | |
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That being said, after reading up a little of the back-story, I dare say being sentenced to the world of Muv-Luv Alternative for a few years might be one of the most amusing, if also incredibly sadistic possible punishments haters of the Generic Harem Protagonist Syndrome might want to recommend for bland male leads. Should this anime prove popular enough. there's a possibility of fanfiction threads being made dedicated to such Crossover projects. Also, I think if Muv-Luv Extra was animated, instead of a Sidestory of a Sequel to an AU of a Generic Harem Visual Novel, it'll be getting exactly the same reaction as Medaka Box got last season, and Muv-Luv fans moaning that with the BD pre-orders it's getting, we'd never get to watch the really good meat of the Franchise. Sounds familiar? That's what manga readers said about Medaka Box recently, TGWOK just awhile further back, and I imagine Negima during it's disastrous double adaptation unfaithfulness. From what I've been reading, both here, and through quick googling, it seems that the main problem with an anime adaptation of Muv-Luv is that it shares the same issue with some genre shifting manga stories with botched adaptations, of which Negima was one particularly bad offender, among several. That of genre shift. And when the pre-genre shift material could easily consume an entire Cour (if not more), that's a real killer. Madoka Magica, for comparison took three episodes for a genre shift, and before that, it was getting rained hard for being boring and generic. I think the main lesson is that if you want to adapt such stories with genre shifts after considerable pre-genre shift material, it might be best to start at a spot long after the genre shift as a first anime project, if you want to test the waters. I actually applaud the decision makers behind this anime for starting In Media Res, so to speak. Should Eclipse sell well enough, I think we might see a full adaptation of the entire Muv-Luv Universe, since well, Eclipse is a Side Story after all. But of course, it's Mecha, and Mecha normally sells quite well. So, I imagine it's also in part a commercial decision. Start with Extra, and Muv-Luv will bomb - this is a given, since there's no other anime adaptation whose source material leapt from Lightheated to Dark has ever succeeded commercially, unless the genre shift was executed within three episodes. My theory is that they are testing the waters here, and if Eclipse sells well, they'd move on to adapting the entire VN series, from Extra to Unlimited to Alternative in Anime form, or if they are that creative, merging Extra as Counter-point Flashbacks to Unlimited and Alternative. Since Eclipse already informs audiences of what to expect, a Muv Luv Extra adaptation might be a rarity- an actual Pre-genre shift story that's regarded as a masterful counterpoint to the rest of the Muv Luv franchise, which every other story with big genre shifts have tried to do (leap from Harem/Comedy/Cutsie Moe Slice of Life to something more serious), and has mostly failed, with the exception of Madoka (from Cutsie Moe Generic Mahou Shoujo 12359 to the Evangelion of Magical Girls), though even more experienced viewers of anime might be able to point some other examples. Finally, I wish for Total Eclipse and the Muv Luv of Alternative to be to Muv Luv Extra what the Nanoha Franchise was to Triangle Hearts, beyond the VN Medium alone. Since CR is licensing it, I imagine that Muv Luv Eclipse is going to the first time that most of the English Speaking audience is going to be exposed to this franchise. Last edited by novalysis; 2012-07-04 at 03:29. |
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2012-07-04, 06:00 | Link #480 |
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I too am totally unfamiliar with the franchise. I don't think the first episode was particularly dark or tragic. It could easily end up that way, but was nothing like Ga-Rei Zero for example.
My first experience with genre shifting anime was Mai-Hime. That series didn't shift until the second season, although there were definite hints in the first. |
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