New Mobile Report Gundam Wing: Frozen Teardrop (2010 Novel)

[Eeni]

Originally Posted by IkuzeMinna

Ah yes, I remember something about apples and bananas. Or was it peaches? Eh, some fruit. Thing is, the phrasing threw me off a little.
"Trowa Phobos (No Name) and Catherine Bloom undergo training as mobile suit pilots."
It sounds like both of them were training to become pilots. And considering how messed up the characterizations and story are and how Catherine is present during the battles (I think she's on "Shorfok2"?), I wouldn't put it past Sumizawa.

I could never think that Cathy Bloom would ever become an MS pilot or a trainer simply because she hated war so much during the series... so thanks a lot for this 180 character turnaround Sumizawa!

[DuoRanger]

i think that is impossible to terraform a planet like mars in a few years

I'll take Doom as example, Even with a half century the Humans and the UAC didn't managed to terraform a planet Like mars, bcuz the ambient is harsh + The Dust Storms and the Air is Deadly, it takes centuries to terraform a planet like that, and Wingverse technology isn't that OMG W40k, UC, Btech like tech to terraform a planet in a few years

and this thing about Catherine "I hate Wars and Mechs" Bloom becoming a MS instructor and Phobos trainer is hard to belive.

[Deacon Blues]

Yes, but you have to consider the situation on Mars at that time... they're trying to stop the violence that's progressing so it's only natural for her to undergo training.

[RRW]

do we have some info about "terraform mars". is it as green and blue as earth or it just vast desert with HUB city?

[Mareike]

Originally Posted by DuoRanger

i think that is impossible to terraform a planet like mars in a few years

I'll take Doom as example, Even with a half century the Humans and the UAC didn't managed to terraform a planet Like mars, bcuz the ambient is harsh + The Dust Storms and the Air is Deadly, it takes centuries to terraform a planet like that, and Wingverse technology isn't that OMG W40k, UC, Btech like tech to terraform a planet in a few years

Agreed. Mars is an extremely harsh planet, and it's going to take a lot of years and resources to fully terraform it (if it were even possible to begin with). They need to fix the atmosphere, need to get water flowing (probably melt the ice caps) among many other things. But prior to Mars, they've already built a number of artificial colonies, so in a way, I suppose they already had the basic stuff mapped out on how to deal with the planet. Add to the equation the accidental algae spill.

...besides. This is Sumizawa we're talking about.

and this thing about Catherine "I hate Wars and Mechs" Bloom becoming a MS instructor and Phobos trainer is hard to belive.

Like what Deacon said. Her experiences and Trowa's during the war and the current need must have influenced the change in her. And if you think that's contradictory (I don't), just look at Noin.

Originally Posted by RRW

do we have some info about "terraform mars". is it as green and blue as earth or it just vast desert with HUB city?

Would like to know, too. I'm imagining that they live in some kind of protected complexes what with Mars' terrible climate and all.

[DuoRanger]

About the Terraforming question

taken from Sarna(Battletech Wiki)
Environmental engineering
During prosperous eras of colonization, entrepreneurs employed jumpships to transport ice bergs from water-rich planets to arid colony worlds. Colonies dependent on this ice trade prospered while it continued, but little true terraforming was accomplished in this way and the colonies tended to wither when the trade was interrupted by wars. The practice was largely abandoned in the 27th century due to advances in water purification.[4]

Terraforming, the process of adapting an inhospitable planetary environment into one suitable for human occupation, occurs with varying degrees of success through BattleTech history. Terran engineers mounted repeated attempts over the course of centuries to moderate the dense and acidic atmosphere of Venus, succeeding enough to allow limited surface colonization under protective domes.

Mars in W40k

Mars had a fully terraformed atmosphere and ecosystems very similar to that of ancient Terra during the Dark Age of Technology, but the constant warfare of the Age of Strife destroyed the world's manufactured oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere and restored the Red Planet's surface to its primordial desert state, absent surface water and breathable oxygen. The only inhabitable regions of the planet are now the Adeptus Mechanicus' hive cities.

seeing that even Mechwarrior verse and W40k still had problems with Terraforming

[Deacon Blues]

This is from one of the earlier chapters:

Spoiler:

A xerophilous algae was discovered in the sea of Jupiter's second moon Europa, allowing for a rapid terraformation of Mars to progress. More than two hundred Earth years ago, Mars was gradually becoming warm by a greenhouse effect of a simulated (artificial) atmosphere of chlorofluorohydrocarbons. However, there was still a lot of carbon dioxide, thus creatures were unable to breathe in the then current state. Even if the polar ice caps were melted slightly due to global warming, it would immediately be sucked up by the ground and the seas that started to form would return to deserts during the winter.

Lana Green, an After Colony space development researcher, was the first person to consider using the Europan algae on Mars. While "Europan algae" was a great discovery at the time scientifically, it was useful on a real-life level but it was a troublesome thing that caused harm in the global environment. Plankton that is commonly called "Jupiter moss" multiplied at an astounding speed when the "Europan algae" that was under the thick ice and ocean depths bathes in the sunlight. {what? I need to re-read this} When the Jupiter moss was made to propagate on Mars, global warming and afforestation {greening} accelerated at once.

The terraforming that was said to take hundreds of years was estimated to finish in mere decades. Nonetheless, for something that was never realized, the After Colony eras first frontrunners had a “concern for environmental destruction on a planetary scale”.

And then, there was an accident.

One of the resource satellites transported one by one from the Earth Sphere deviated from its programmed orbit and came crashing down on the planet. Properly speaking, that object was the resource satellite known as “MO-VII”. The place where it fell was the Argyre Planitia in the southern hemisphere. Similarly, the Hellas Planitia also in the southern hemisphere also experienced the same ordeal when a large asteroid collided with the surface during the Late Heavy Bombardment period. There, another resource satellite fell forming a huge double crater.

That problem was is that they say that the algae seemed to have been mixed up with the ice inside the resource satellite. That was dissolved and exposed to the sunlight. There was an outbreak of Jupiter moss that multiplied rapidly.
No one knew what would become of Mars for a while. Those living on Mars due to paraterraforming didn't notice the slow environmental changes outside of their domes either. Sandstorms still blew violently over the lands, the scenery of the red ground and sky unchanging as always. It was noticed for the first time when the moss was multiplying in Mars' groundwater arteries and the average yearly temperature started to rise. And then in just a few short years, half of the Martian desert was filled with sea water. Argyre’s double crater filled with green water and became a massive lake or rather a sea.

Oxygen density rose at once. Air pressure also wasn’t that different from Earth anymore. Because of the Jupiter moss outbreak from the Argyre double crater, when the place became a sea, it became known as the "Lana Green Sea". In that spot a huge, artificial marine state was constructed, thus giving birth to the Lanagreen Republic (or Commonwealth).

[RRW]

that was....confusing

this what i understand.

1. there is some colonization in mars before MC.
2. the place is basically large desert with dozen of lake and (maybe?) safe air. it seem it still dome/hub bsaed
3. Europan algae contain Jupiter moss
4. Moss need ice water and sunlight to breading fast.

but there is several absurd point. how the hell moss breading when there are in underground? why MO-VII let sunlight to reach the algae? how can plankton outbreak can make satellite crash?

i am not even including several (somehow that explained) point like afforestation.

this one is so mess up

[Eeni]

Originally Posted by Mareike

Like what Deacon said. Her experiences and Trowa's during the war and the current need must have influenced the change in her. And if you think that's contradictory (I don't), just look at Noin.

Noin was always involved in the war, being a military instructor. Cahy knew and saw a very violent war going on around her, heck, she's a war orphan because of it. If she wasn't involved in the wars when she was younger, why start now? It doesn't make sense, but whatever.

[DuoRanger]

Originally Posted by RRW

that was....confusing

this what i understand.

1. there is some colonization in mars before MC.
2. the place is basically large desert with dozen of lake and (maybe?) safe air. it seem it still dome/hub bsaed
3. Europan algae contain Jupiter moss
4. Moss need ice water and sunlight to breading fast.

but there is several absurd point. how the hell moss breading when there are in underground? why MO-VII let sunlight to reach the algae? how can plankton outbreak can make satellite crash?

i am not even including several (somehow that explained) point like afforestation.

this one is so mess up

Better saying, He ripoff or pulled out a Red Planet plot about mars terraforming
(now who is Val Kilmer and Carrie Anne Moss in this plot?)

but who cares?

[Elo the Blue]

Originally Posted by Eeni

Noin was always involved in the war, being a military instructor. Cahy knew and saw a very violent war going on around her, heck, she's a war orphan because of it. If she wasn't involved in the wars when she was younger, why start now? It doesn't make sense, but whatever.

Agreed. You could justify how things panned out for Duo to an extent, but Cathy getting involved in war does seem like a stretch.

[Mareike]

Originally Posted by Eeni

Noin was always involved in the war, being a military instructor. Cahy knew and saw a very violent war going on around her, heck, she's a war orphan because of it. If she wasn't involved in the wars when she was younger, why start now? It doesn't make sense, but whatever.

No, my point with citing Noin as an example is that she disliked war, too. From the very start, she's never been fond of fighting yet she does it because she has to.

Cathy may have felt that she had to be involved. According to Sumizawa anyway.

[Eeni]

Originally Posted by Mareike

No, my point with citing Noin as an example is that she disliked war, too. From the very start, she's never been fond of fighting yet she does it because she has to.

Cathy may have felt that she had to be involved. According to Sumizawa anyway.

According to Sumizawa, Traize's mother kissed him like she would a lover, a resource satellite belonging to Quatre mysteriously had 4 gundams (you'd think he would know what was in his possession), and it seems like Noin and Zechs are on opposite sides of this struggle that I can't seem to understand why it even started.

Besides, Noin didn't dislike war, she just thought that people who died during battles were not well prepared/ trained correctly. And anyways, she fought because:
1- she wanted revenge for Lake Victoria Base
2- she would follow Zechs ANYWHERE

[Mareike]

Originally Posted by Eeni

According to Sumizawa, Traize's mother kissed him like she would a lover, a resource satellite belonging to Quatre mysteriously had 4 gundams (you'd think he would know what was in his possession), and it seems like Noin and Zechs are on opposite sides of this struggle that I can't seem to understand why it even started.

On Angelina, remember: She's not well in the head. She's been kept from the person she loves: Ein, Treize's father, who Treize looks a lot like. Treize is the closest thing to Ein she's got left. Boom. I know it seems all scandalous and distasteful to a lot of you, but you have to understand where she's coming from. Granted, Sumizawa has made a habit of taking things too far but this is, I have to say, is something that's not too far from happening - even in real life.

As for the last two, agreed, they don't really make sense. Zechs and Noin - what they're up to could just be for show or all I know. *shrugs* I'm not even going to try and figure that one out.

Besides, Noin didn't dislike war, she just thought that people who died during battles were not well prepared/ trained correctly. And anyways, she fought because:
1- she wanted revenge for Lake Victoria Base
2- she would follow Zechs ANYWHERE

She did. While en route Lake Victoria, Zechs questions what is behind all the effort she's making when she hated war. Noin responds that she's glad that he remembers, but her efforts are out of love for outer space.

In FT, she had tears in her eyes after their first stint in Mogadishu. When Zechs asked if she was ok or if she was hurt, she said no, she just hated war.

During Operation Daybreak, Zechs warns her that the battle ahead may leave her feeling disturbed afterwards. She responds that she trusts in him; if he thinks it is necessary, then she will fight. Even then, she was shown feeling weary, thinking that there's too much bloodshed for the laying down of the new foundation OZ was establishing.

Also take note that she would try to make the enemy surrender first. And that she always seemed glassy-eyed after a fight.

And Noin didn't want revenge for Lake Victoria Base, no: she wanted to get stronger. She realized the fault in her ideals after her fight with Wufei, and if she doesn't want to lose anymore lives she'll have to learn by being out in the field.

So no, Noin didn't have a one-track mind when it comes to fighting. She may be good at it, but it was not something she reveled in. She only did it to protect others. Because she had to and she can.



Now going back to Cathy... I don't understand why she can't be allowed that change, especially when it's been years since the original story. It's a drastic change, sure but if the reason is sound enough (which we're yet to see), then why not. I don't think her being an MS pilot is something that she just decided out of the blue. I just hope I'm not wrong. xD

[Kitsoru]

Along the lines of what Mareike is saying... I seem to see quite a bit of complaining from fans about anything even remotely resembling character development, and people, c'mon. If characters didn't evolve, for better or worse, it'd make for a pretty boring story.

I agree Cathy in particular is kinda sideeye worthy but depending on the events that've transpired over the break in time since EW, it could be quite understandable that wide-eyed idealism was replaced by realism for any character.

[susyia]

humm yeah i think your right.... Cathy in anime series was kind annoying.... it's good that change of her personality but.... but what about the other characters trowa... quatre they suffer some change ? and wufei in why he treats kathy po in a softy manner?in chapter 9 ??

[DuoRanger]

Originally Posted by Kitsoru

Along the lines of what Mareike is saying... I seem to see quite a bit of complaining from fans about anything even remotely resembling character development, and people, c'mon. If characters didn't evolve, for better or worse, it'd make for a pretty boring story.

I agree Cathy in particular is kinda sideeye worthy but depending on the events that've transpired over the break in time since EW, it could be quite understandable that wide-eyed idealism was replaced by realism for any character.

it will take a Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time until Sumizawa explain how she and relena became MS pilots, what descisions, events and etc.

i mean, what happened to Cat became Phobos Instuctor?

[IkuzeMinna]

Originally Posted by Mareike

No, my point with citing Noin as an example is that she disliked war, too. From the very start, she's never been fond of fighting yet she does it because she has to.

About that, who the heck sends his 10-year-old kid off to a war??? I mean, I can understand No-Name fighting from a young age because he grew up with soldiers but what the flying cow is up with Noin joining the army that young? Heck, even Zechs has an excuse, seeing as he had no parents anymore and was out for revenge. But Noin is just

Originally Posted by Mareike

On Angelina, remember: She's not well in the head. She's been kept from the person she loves: Ein, Treize's father, who Treize looks a lot like. Treize is the closest thing to Ein she's got left. Boom. I know it seems all scandalous and distasteful to a lot of you, but you have to understand where she's coming from. Granted, Sumizawa has made a habit of taking things too far but this is, I have to say, is something that's not too far from happening - even in real life.

The problem isn't Angelina having a bunch of screws loose. The problem isn't even her going coo-coo because of her dead hubby, what with making out with her son and prancing around naked. No, the problem is that her son is one Treize Khushrenada, Gundam Wing's most badass, noble villain, who deserves anything but this treatment. Van/Vingt was a nice addition; he added to Treize's character and was an interesting character himself. Why couldn't Bella Angelina be?

Originally Posted by Kitsoru

Along the lines of what Mareike is saying... I seem to see quite a bit of complaining from fans about anything even remotely resembling character development, and people, c'mon. If characters didn't evolve, for better or worse, it'd make for a pretty boring story.

You got a point there. So far there hasn't been one boring FT chapter. Mostly because of the wtf moments.

I agree Cathy in particular is kinda sideeye worthy but depending on the events that've transpired over the break in time since EW, it could be quite understandable that wide-eyed idealism was replaced by realism for any character.

Yes but Catherine? Her and Sylvia were the only people in the entire female cast who didn't want to fight. Hilde, Sally, Dorothy, Noin, Une and even Relena got to wield weapons. And be pretty badass while doing so. I don't see any reason why it would be Catherine of all people to train Gundam pilots and participate in battles. There are plenty of other opportunities to show off her body. Besides, it doesn't even make sense practically, seeing as the others have way more experience.
I'm not begrudging her her so-called character development, it's just the least likely.

It's also kinda funny, now that I think about it. Usually being a soldier will undoubtedly boost your badassness but with Catherine it sort of backfires due to its discrepancy. It's like with the 13x5 shippers. Wu Fei is a widower and Treize fathered a child. Congratulations folks, you paired the straightest guys in the series.

Originally Posted by DuoRanger

it will take a Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time until Sumizawa explain how she and relena became MS pilots, what descisions, events and etc.

Relena is not a MS pilot. Which is a shame because that would've been cracktastically awesome. Alas, the Zechs mask was only decoration...


By the way guys, was the FT drama re-released or something? I stumbled upon two more segments on Youtube which pick up where the drama left off. You get to hear Heero and Duo battle Quatrine (no voice for Quatrine though) and some monologue of Heero's about "AC 195 Autumn". Putting aside that the BG is annoying as crap, does anyone know anything about this?

[Aldaeus]

Originally Posted by IkuzeMinna

About that,[I]




Yes but Catherine? Her and Sylvia were the only people in the entire female cast who didn't want to fight. Hilde, Sally, Dorothy, Noin, Une and even Relena got to wield weapons. And be pretty badass while doing so. I don't see any reason why it would be Catherine of all people to train Gundam pilots and participate in battles. There are plenty of other opportunities to show off her body. Besides, it doesn't even make sense practically, seeing as the others have way more experience.
I'm not begrudging her her so-called character development, it's just the least likely.


Relena is not a MS pilot. Which is a shame because that would've been cracktastically awesome. Alas, the Zechs mask was only decoration...

Note, Catherine and Sylvia did both have weapons at a point, Katherine's a knife thrower, probably wouldn't want to kill someone but she did nearly put one in Trowa during the series. Sylvia grabbed a gun off of Heero during the episode where he confronted her and in the end didn't shoot him.

As for Relena being a pilot I agree to a point, it would be awesome... But I'd be more afraid at this point if she climbed into a suit for Sumisawa to pull a Lalah Sune, have her just get offed during combat. Currently that's the only way I see her taking the long dirt nap. Because at this point currently, there is no other female lead to take her place.


I have a hunch that we're gearing up for a side switch in the coming chapters, I think that Relena is loosing power within the Mars Federation and we're going to see a flip flop. All the signs are pointing towards it, Quatre, Trowa, Katherine, and Heero all just surrendered according to the last bit in the timeline.

Quaterine refuses the call to surrender by Doktor T and the others. Meanwhile, Instructor W pilots the Show White equipped with the Seven Dwarfs Red and Blue (Sieben Zwerg Rote & Blau) fires continuously. The Prometheus experiences operational failure due to the difference in attack. In order to recover the Prometheus, Trowa Phobos launches in the Scheherazade that was secretly being transported.

However, The Shorfok 2 suffers a cease function at the hands of Mille. Heero, Doktor T and Catherine decide to surrender.

Granted it's because of Milou but crazier stuff has happened in Wing...

Also to a few pages back

Originally Posted by RRW

huh isn't that (according to perspective pilot)

Sandrock -> Prometheus

Heavyarms -> Scheherazade

My reasoning behind this is that Scheherazade is a reference to the Arabian Nights stories, its name fits the M.O. of being the new Sandrock. Just because the character succession is there doesn't mean they're tethered to their predecessors machines. And if i remember right wasn't Trowa P. to be the intended pilot of Prometheus, but Katherine stole it...

[RRW]

Originally Posted by Aldaeus

My reasoning behind this is that Scheherazade is a reference to the Arabian Nights stories, its name fits the M.O. of being the new Sandrock. Just because the character succession is there doesn't mean they're tethered to their predecessors machines. And if i remember right wasn't Trowa P. to be the intended pilot of Prometheus, but Katherine stole it...

yeah that what i am thinking when i read little closer. Prometheus seem have missile launcher which make it closer to heavy arm