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kk2extreme · 2011-06-23, 20:57

All I know is,

FV = PV + I

I thought that Yuan is the strongest currency right now not US dollar

prototype_sky · 2011-06-23, 21:41

What the hell did I watch

Crackabad · 2011-06-23, 21:45

is it ok to be unhappy and frustrated with that ending! haha

Spoiler for spoiler:

could there be a continuation of this with that kind of ending?

Spoiler for spoil:

Hedd · 2011-06-23, 22:32

While I thought alot of the build up was fun and enjoyed alot of the philosophy this series had, the ending was ..er....empty. It didn't even have that aura of futility. It felt rushed and didn't explain anything at all really. Unfortunate end to a nice series.

FlareKnight · 2011-06-23, 22:36

Spoiler for Ep11:

shmaster · 2011-06-23, 22:45

Har, so that is why Masakaki turn Kimimoro's card to Darkness and give him a chance to reverse the rotary, just so the financial district can be established in a economically better Japan......

serenade_beta · 2011-06-23, 23:02

Spoiler for final episode and last thoughts:

Calca · 2011-06-23, 23:22

So the episode ends with a god-like figure saying "Just as planned"

Sounds familiar...

Proto · 2011-06-23, 23:31

So they went with the smoke screen and flashy lights strategy? Aw well, I guess there was no real way of salvaging the situation anyway, but I would have appreciated it if they had at least tried.

Reckoner · 2011-06-23, 23:43

Oh this series.

Really, there was some interesting concepts in this show. I liked the ideas at play about putting the present or the future first, or how we strike a balance between the two. I liked the idea of exploring some economic ideas, especially the very concept of money and how what gives it value is trust. What happens when the trust breaks down? Where does the faith come form?

Still, great concepts are indeed hurt by terrible execution. Ignoring the standard budgetary issues with animation and art quality, the biggest issue with this show is definitely the pacing. A bullet train it may be, you should still be able to understand the general story as you're going along, but it couldn't even do that. In the end, it seems it had a magnificent train wreck. Not only did I not understand a single thing that was happening in the last episode, but I didn't even get a general message form the show. Seriously, what the fuck just happened?

This isn't the good type of wtf just happened like in NGE either. This is, "I can't understand a single fucking thing these characters are talking about or doing."

The character development was rather poor for our main character. It's quite sad that Mikuni made a little more sense that he did. The assets seemed like rather pointless characters. The romance between Maysu and Kinnamaoru was just nonsense.

Really. This anime desperately needed both more episodes, a way bigger budget. Also please fire the editor of this anime from the anime industry. Holy crap.

I was entertained to the end at least, so overall 6/10 for the anime, 4/10 for the last episode.

ipodi · 2011-06-24, 00:01

What a mess. Watching the ending makes me feel like I have devoured a whole bag of potato chips - empty calories and regret.

shmaster · 2011-06-24, 00:18

BTW, Masakaki confirmed Msyu to be Kimimoro's daughter in his monologue on the official site.

karice67 · 2011-06-24, 00:34

I'll just dump something from the last explanation posted (i.e. the explanation posted for the last episode, which is about the title 「C」). These explanations, which are about various terms used in the show, are written by Oosaka Naoki, the vice editor-in-chief of a weekly economics magazine known as "Toyo Keizai".

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Quote:

「C」はお金の仕組みを学べる「お勉強」アニメではない。お金の意味について自分で考えるきっかけになってほしいといこのう願いが込められている。試みはある程度成功したではないかと思う。

「C」is not an anime where you can study how money works. Rather, it was created in the hope that it would lead viewers to consider for themselves what 'money' means. I would like to think that it has been successful to at least some extent.

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Personally, I'm still not sure what to make of the ending. But the point about thinking about what 'money' means, yeah, I got that. Brings me back to an essay I wrote a few years ago about 'money' as a technology humans could not do without. But well, I think I might need to go through all the site materials properly...

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Originally Posted by shmaster

BTW, Masakaki confirmed Msyu to be Kimimoro's daughter in his monologue on the official site.

Or granddaughter.

Arkard · 2011-06-24, 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by prototype_sky

What the hell did I watch

Couldn't have said it better myself

ipodi · 2011-06-24, 01:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmaster

BTW, Masakaki confirmed Msyu to be Kimimoro's daughter in his monologue on the official site.

Wait... someone here just said Kimimoro disappeared from the present?

So how did he end up with a kid?

I have no idea what's going on now (not that I was able to follow it prior to the last episode).

hamstar · 2011-06-24, 02:10

First let me say that the deal between Mikuni and Kimimaro was well done. Aside from the constant ideological babbling between the two during the fight there was a lot of sick animation going on so I couldn't complain. I lol'ed pretty hard when Mikuni went "sa warruuudo" on Kimimaro. Though parts of the deal were cliche, still enjoyable. It was the 2nd half of the show where I felt everything fell apart.

I'll have to agree that the ending is confusing though the themes are transparent. The theme of the show is that we should not tarnish our future just to maintain the present. This is something that has cropped up a lot in recent times. Quantitative easing aka printing money and bail outs are prime examples of this. To artificially preserve failing institutions in the present the federal reserve prints money and the government gives money to them to keep them alive instead of letting them fail naturally. This has the unintended consequence of inflating the money supply leading to inflation and even hyperinflation, higher taxes, and other problems (namely derivatives) I won't be able to discuss in this thread. So that is ONE of the major themes.

They also talked about 信用 or trust/credibility/confidence in fiat. This is something they kept repeating to make us think about the nature of money. Where does our 信用 come from? How is it maintained and destroyed?

As for the fallout, I'll have to concede that it was empty and made me feel like I consumed a super-sized McDonalds meal and then having buyer's remorse after. Jennifer Sato looks like she's lost her mind. Mikuni as far as I can see doesn't even exist and it's questionable whether Kimimaro is a ghost or it's just coincidence that people are not noticing him. The girl that some of you thought was Hanabi wasn't even Hanabi but a woman that strangely resembled her. Kimimaro definitely preserved a future for Japan but it feels so empty to the viewer because we honestly don't give 2 Midas coins about the welfare of Japan. We rather see Kimimaro living with his pregnant wife Hanabi, Jennifer walking her new pet dog Georges, and Mikuni rushing to the hospital and learning that his sister has come out of a coma. To the viewer, it's meaningless that Japan is spared if these central characters we actually care about don't make it through.

Kaioshin Sama · 2011-06-24, 02:16

This ending was so memorably I couldn't resist the urge to blog about it. Folks can read it here and comment there or here if they so choose. I can't believe this show was what finally got me to summon up the desire to blog about something again, but here we are.

Arabesque · 2011-06-24, 02:31

I actually thought for a second you were talking about Anime History, but I guess it's dead anyway ... *goes read*

My thoughts about episode 11 can be read here I'm not sure if I can collect my thoughts for the entire show. Really, there was an excellent show here, if only it wasn't noitaminA ...

Reckoner · 2011-06-24, 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

This ending was so memorably I couldn't resist the urge to blog about it. Folks can read it here and comment there or here if they so choose. I can't believe this show was what finally got me to summon up the desire to blog about something again, but here we are.

Enjoyable read. In some ways it was extremely entertaining to watch it all just fall apart as expected in a glorious manner.

It did seriously feel like every single thing that could prevent this from being a good anime took place. It was comically bad.

EroKing · 2011-06-24, 02:50

I kinda feel that Hanabi was Msyu all along as at the end Hanabi's voice sounded a hell lot like Msyu's. I really hate the 11 episode pattern though, this series could have been great if they have explained more things with a proper ending by having a proper 13 episode format.

2011-06-23, 21:45	Link #983
Crackabad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	is it ok to be unhappy and frustrated with that ending! haha Spoiler for spoiler: As soon as i saw the kiss i was like ya! then it was immediately goodbye, and i was like no!!! and the time after the credits, i kept thinking, Mashu will show up...somewat somehow..and never did made me upset lol could there be a continuation of this with that kind of ending? Spoiler for spoil: Masakaki showing up? __________________

2011-06-23, 22:32	Link #984
Hedd Random Object Join Date: Dec 2007	While I thought alot of the build up was fun and enjoyed alot of the philosophy this series had, the ending was ..er....empty. It didn't even have that aura of futility. It felt rushed and didn't explain anything at all really. Unfortunate end to a nice series. __________________

2011-06-23, 22:36	Link #985
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Spoiler for Ep11: Not often I say this after the end of a series but it's necessary here. The hell? I mean seriously that's how they are ending it? Only after reading some of the posts here did I even get that Kimimaro apparently is removed from the present. Unless he's just really fast so that kid didn't see him. But if true then he pretty much sacrificed his ability to be part of the world so the future could be restored. But really he didn't even really win since the Financial District wasn't completely destroyed and will be back ruining lives again. What's the point when this could just happen again and more lives are being destroyed by that thing? Certainly the guys in this duel don't leave very happy. Mikuni loses Q and honestly I'm not even sure he'll keep on living after this. Kimimaro loses Mashu though at least got a kiss out of it. Get a peek at the forces behind the financial district. Some super being who thinks everything done is for the best for humanity. Some crazy guy who thinks his power to steal futures and ruin lives is making anything better. Feels like a pretty poor way to end things. Though I suppose a series without Mashu should just go ahead and end . Honestly though I thought this series had some nice potential when things got started, but instead it just couldn't handle it. Though I think with so few episodes it couldn't tell the story it wanted to. Really even if they had more episodes they needed to go beyond this point. __________________ Anime-Evo

2011-06-23, 23:02	Link #987
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for final episode and last thoughts: You say "The hell?", but I need to say "The f***?" I don't even like swearing, but that is my feelings after watching this end. It really feels like they would have done better if they had another episode or two, but they didn't, so they rushed everything and didn't explain it. Confusing viewers about money talk --> OK Confusing viewers with poorly written episode --> NO Sure, if you try hard enough, you can feel in holes for what was going on, but... That's not our job. On top of the story being all wacko, there is also a lack of a satisfying epilogue. So who was Mashu anyways? What did Satou do afterwards? Her superiors? Who the heck was Hanabi's boyfriend anyways? Was that godly new character supposed to be the one from above? For instance. In general, it just felt... open. Unsatisfying. I guess I am happy that Hanabi is happy? That's about it. In general, I can say I am very disappointed. It started out so interesting, yet how did it turn out like this... One problem was that there was a beginning and end, but no middle. Right after Kimimaro gets introduced to the place and he starts settling in, the climax suddenly starts and everything collapses. The other problem was just the end didn't tie everything up and wasn't satisfying. One of the more interesting things to me this anime was how Kimimaro and Hanabi's relationship was going to change through all of this Golden District stuff. In the end, she practically gets no appearance, changes zero, no focus, no development, no nothing. The battles were okay, but they weren't interesting at all. The whole topic about money was what was attractive. It is a good thing to try new things, especially with idiotic boring moe anime swarming each season, but if you end up with these results, then what was the point? 5/10 PS: I liked the character designs (for the females) Just bring Yamakan back... At least there was something to laugh at. AnoHana and C are just tragedies... __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2011-06-23, 23:31	Link #989
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	So they went with the smoke screen and flashy lights strategy? Aw well, I guess there was no real way of salvaging the situation anyway, but I would have appreciated it if they had at least tried. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2011-06-23, 20:57	Link #981
kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	All I know is, FV = PV + I I thought that Yuan is the strongest currency right now not US dollar

2011-06-23, 21:41	Link #982
prototype_sky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY	What the hell did I watch

2011-06-23, 22:45	Link #986
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Har, so that is why Masakaki turn Kimimoro's card to Darkness and give him a chance to reverse the rotary, just so the financial district can be established in a economically better Japan......

2011-06-23, 23:22	Link #988
Calca Expressionless Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Walking on the path known as life	So the episode ends with a god-like figure saying "Just as planned" Sounds familiar...

2011-06-24, 00:01	Link #991
ipodi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	What a mess. Watching the ending makes me feel like I have devoured a whole bag of potato chips - empty calories and regret.

2011-06-24, 00:18	Link #992
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	BTW, Masakaki confirmed Msyu to be Kimimoro's daughter in his monologue on the official site.

2011-06-24, 02:10	Link #996
hamstar just passing by Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Exia	First let me say that the deal between Mikuni and Kimimaro was well done. Aside from the constant ideological babbling between the two during the fight there was a lot of sick animation going on so I couldn't complain. I lol'ed pretty hard when Mikuni went "sa warruuudo" on Kimimaro. Though parts of the deal were cliche, still enjoyable. It was the 2nd half of the show where I felt everything fell apart. I'll have to agree that the ending is confusing though the themes are transparent. The theme of the show is that we should not tarnish our future just to maintain the present. This is something that has cropped up a lot in recent times. Quantitative easing aka printing money and bail outs are prime examples of this. To artificially preserve failing institutions in the present the federal reserve prints money and the government gives money to them to keep them alive instead of letting them fail naturally. This has the unintended consequence of inflating the money supply leading to inflation and even hyperinflation, higher taxes, and other problems (namely derivatives) I won't be able to discuss in this thread. So that is ONE of the major themes. They also talked about 信用 or trust/credibility/confidence in fiat. This is something they kept repeating to make us think about the nature of money. Where does our 信用 come from? How is it maintained and destroyed? As for the fallout, I'll have to concede that it was empty and made me feel like I consumed a super-sized McDonalds meal and then having buyer's remorse after. Jennifer Sato looks like she's lost her mind. Mikuni as far as I can see doesn't even exist and it's questionable whether Kimimaro is a ghost or it's just coincidence that people are not noticing him. The girl that some of you thought was Hanabi wasn't even Hanabi but a woman that strangely resembled her. Kimimaro definitely preserved a future for Japan but it feels so empty to the viewer because we honestly don't give 2 Midas coins about the welfare of Japan. We rather see Kimimaro living with his pregnant wife Hanabi, Jennifer walking her new pet dog Georges, and Mikuni rushing to the hospital and learning that his sister has come out of a coma. To the viewer, it's meaningless that Japan is spared if these central characters we actually care about don't make it through. __________________ Last edited by hamstar; 2011-06-24 at 05:40.

2011-06-24, 02:16	Link #997
Kaioshin Sama Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Neither Here nor There Age: 39	This ending was so memorably I couldn't resist the urge to blog about it. Folks can read it here and comment there or here if they so choose. I can't believe this show was what finally got me to summon up the desire to blog about something again, but here we are.

2011-06-24, 02:31	Link #998
Arabesque Licensed Hunter-a-holic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35	I actually thought for a second you were talking about Anime History, but I guess it's dead anyway ... goes read My thoughts about episode 11 can be read here I'm not sure if I can collect my thoughts for the entire show. Really, there was an excellent show here, if only it wasn't noitaminA ... __________________

2011-06-24, 02:50	Link #1000
EroKing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 38	I kinda feel that Hanabi was Msyu all along as at the end Hanabi's voice sounded a hell lot like Msyu's. I really hate the 11 episode pattern though, this series could have been great if they have explained more things with a proper ending by having a proper 13 episode format. __________________