2010-03-09, 01:13 | Link #181 | |
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We don't know exactly what Uiharu experienced when she was holding the box of taiyaki, nor do we know what Haruue experienced when she took one taiyaki from the box. Thus, it may be that the box did not feel noticeably warm to Uiharu, and the taiyaki did not feel noticeably warm to Haruue until she removed it from the box. What we do know is that: A) When Haruue was holding the taiyaki in her hands - and thus, not touching Uiharu or the box - it was warm, as if it was freshly-baked. B) Uiharu stated that she can maintain a constant temperature in objects that she touches; this apparently includes relatively complex systems or frames of reference, like taiyaki inside of a box, where she is in contact with the container rather than the actual object. C) Uiharu stated that she cannot handle very hot objects. D) Uiharu is a level one ability user. Given that Uiharu is only level one, perhaps she can only suppress up to a certain, relatively low rate of entropic equalization? For example, she could keep a cold drink from warming or a taiyaki from cooling to room temperature, but she could not keep a ice cube from melting or a piece of hot metal from cooling to comfortable handling temperatures, because the rate at which they are losing or gaining energy is too great. Once the ice cube was a puddle of cold water and the piece of hot metal was cool enough to touch, their rate of entropic equalization might be within her power's range of suppression, and thus she could keep them from heating or cooling further. In this scenario, suppressing the entropy of the system would not require any great degree of thought - that would come later, possibly, if she ever learned to suppress it only to a certain degree, so that objects under her power would heat or cool at a reduced rate. Again, just playing devil's advocate; given the existence of the aforementioned 'constant speed' power, i think that Uiharu's power functioning similarly to that one is the more likely possibility... |
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2010-03-09, 08:52 | Link #183 |
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I haven't been this annoyed since ranka lee turned out to be an alien traitor/whiny child.
Uiharu must die. And i don't buy her mad hacking skillz as well. We got a useless character oh wait lets give her the computer genius perk. She should drop out of school and start delivering pizza's. Then she would be usefull.
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2010-03-09, 09:05 | Link #184 |
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Someone hasn't realized that her hacking skills can only work if her computer doesn't overheat due to the intense amount of instructions she is plugging into the CPU. And for the love of fudge, she's just a LEVEL 1.
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2010-03-09, 09:21 | Link #185 | |
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2010-03-09, 09:43 | Link #186 | |
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2010-03-10, 00:04 | Link #188 | |
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Also Kuroko notices the damn flowers increases. Why does she cry if they get picked off? |
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2010-03-10, 00:14 | Link #189 |
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Not so much a discussion, i guess, as a shouting match between the folks that look at her power and say, "Man, what a lame power," and the folks that say, "Well, I guess she is only level 1." The level 1 effects of her power are no longer a mystery (flowers aside), but the mechanism still is...
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2010-03-10, 03:22 | Link #190 | |||
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Before anything else, I'd just like to say that my person opinion is that the flowers are a red herring, a distraction, and that it means nothing. Moving on...
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B) Since all espers generate an AIM field, I posit that certain AIM fields extend further from an individual depending the individual. In this case, once Uiharu touches the box, her field envelops the box. Her ability then simply applies to everything within the field. Complexity wouldn't matter, but this is speculation. Uiharu probably has to consciously expand her AIM field power to objects she's touching though, Saten had to hug Uiharu in ep13 to stay warm. C) Not being able to handle hot objects is actually a huge argument against entropy stop. If entropy stops the moment she touches an object, heat transfer immediately stops. She could then touch anything she wanted to and maintain that temperature for the item. She says she can't handle hot items because she can't touch them, not because she can't keep it that warm. D) All sorts of espers violate conservation of energy principles no matter what the level, I suppose a level 1 Uiharu can do so as well. Quote:
Last nail in the "entropy control" theory: If you can control entropy, a whole series of better abilities would result if she had that power. She'd be able to kill any living being just by touching them. Entropy increasing is tied to things like fluid dynamics and chemical reactions. She'd be able to tell blood not to flow, or inhibit the chemical reactions that let plants generate energy. Hell, she'd actually make plants on her head die faster! If you can control entropy, you can't pick and choose what effects that it has. If Uiharu's maintaining constant entropy on say, a person, you would get the -Fluids don't flow. (She'd be able to stop a river, or blood from flowing, suffocate people or suffocate herself.) -Chemical reactions don't take place. (Cause living matter to rot from lack of ATP, or stomach acid to chemically break down food. Prevent explosions.) -Freeze an object's state right down to the quark level. (Essentially a freeze time method for an object without actually mucking with the fabric of time. If she was a higher level, I assume.) These are vastly superior powers than "constant temperature," which she doesn't say she has. ((PS: I'm also dreadfully afraid that the author will come out and say "Uiharu can control entropy, her effects just aren't consistent because I didn't research properly." and he would be completely in the right and all my thinking would be wrong.)) ((PPS: Entropy control suddenly just became an awesome idea for a power... but you'd have to get the effects right, and that would be tricky.)) |
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2010-03-10, 11:02 | Link #195 |
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Now knowing her power and that, apparently, it has nothing to do with the flowers, I'm starting to think that Uiharu has them (the flowers) for a psychological reason rather one related to her powers. Maybe they serve as a comfort over/reminder of some trauma she suffered when she was younger and that's why she doesn't seem to want to talk about them. That's just what I think, completely outside of the discussion of physics that is going on and right over my head.
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2010-03-10, 12:31 | Link #196 | |||||
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I thought I laid that out pretty clearly. Again, if she controlled entropy, she could cease their heat transfer by stopping entropy, and no heat would be given off. Quote:
Any idea that involves a transfer of heat will without fail show effects of temperature loss over time unless there's some sort of heat energy source. There must be something giving energy to the tayaki, there's no way around this point, using controlled entropy or thermodynamics can't change this point. Quote:
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I'm currently out of time, but I will be back with more later. I'm enjoying these debates too much. >.> You're very good at this, Alhazred. |
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2010-03-10, 12:49 | Link #197 | |
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I mean, her power is aweasome (f+ck yeah, i don't need any sweater in the coldest winter) but that attitude of hers (That some writter thought it would be a 'good' twist or 'good character development') angers me. |
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2010-03-10, 13:56 | Link #200 | ||||
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One could ask, if Aerohand and Hydrokinesis are somehow subsets of 'pure' Telekinesis, rather than 'material manipulation,' why can Kongou not telekinetically affect anything other than atmospherically dispersed gases? Similarly, you could ask how Accelerator's power is any different from very strong telekinesis, or why 'Aerohand' and 'Offensive Armor' are both considered level 4, when 'Aerohand' should theoretically be able to accomplish the exact same effect as 'Offensive Armor,' in addition to all the other things it can do. Part of increasing level is increasing your understanding of how your 'personal reality' functions. In another thread, i actually did posit that greater understanding of her power might lead Uiharu to make the mental connection between vibrational motion and transitional motion, and the expansion of abilities such a breakthrough would grant. If her power remained the ability to create 'closed systems,' it could lead to some very bizarre effects - including the 'Constant Speed' effect. It may be that Constant Speed and Constant Temperature are both subsets of the same broader power, and the users of each are just starting with different base assumptions about the nature of their personal reality. Quote:
Actually, what Uiharu said was 'Misaka-tachi,' which roughly translates as 'Misaka et al.' The only person explicitly included in the 'does not know' group is Misaka. This might be because Uiharu idolizes Misaka, and was embarrassed by her relatively weak power. Kuroko obviously knows what Uiharu's power does; they've been friends for years, they trained in Judgment together, and Kuroko actually thought about it for a while before concluding that Uiharu's power wouldn't be able to get her out of jams. Saten may or may not know, but if she doesn't know, that might be because Uiharu is sensitive to Saten's insecurities regarding her own lack of ability, so she didn't want to bring it up if Saten didn't ask her about it. |
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