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2005-12-25, 01:45 | Link #7 |
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Everyone is complicating this issue way too much. It is really quite simple.
No, because in order to become an Arrancar, he'd have to become a shinigami. He just became a ghost. There really isn't anything to argue about if you remember what an Arancar is. It isn't a former hollow. It is a hollow that becomes a shinigami.
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2005-12-25, 19:51 | Link #13 | |
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2005-12-26, 01:00 | Link #15 |
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Another clarification:
The hougyoku is not necessary to become a shinigami / hollow hybrid. What Aizen said, is that without the hougyoku, these hybrids are incomplete or unbalanced. You can become an inferior hybrid through other methods.
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2005-12-26, 01:45 | Link #16 | |
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Vizard: Shinigami => Hollow Arrancar: Hollow => Shinigami Ichigo: He kinda gained both at the same time when under Urahara's so called "training". He was a normal human soul, he formed the mask of a hollow but gained shinigami powers at the same time meaning that he might be the most perfect hybrid shinigami/hollow ever created. whether it's a good thing or not is yet to be seen though... |
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2005-12-26, 02:13 | Link #17 |
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Another thing that may be required for a transformation is a "Shattered shaft." This shattered shaft was present when ichigo attempted to regain his shinigami powers. This was also seen in like chapter 25 when the Grand Fisher was thrown down some shaft after his fight. So Inoue's brother was never put into the shaft, and isn't anything except a hollow with a broken mask.
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2005-12-26, 02:14 | Link #18 |
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Hypothetically, normal Visored (Vaizard, whatever) also become what they when they let their inner hollow gain conrtol over them in a dire situation. So, Ichigo would be a Visored that has not fully succumbed to his inner hollow yet.
Ichigo isn't an arrancar because he was not a hollow when the change happened, he was a shinigami. |
2005-12-26, 06:05 | Link #20 |
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Hollows are not the opposite of a Shinigami.
There are two types of ghosts: Plus and Hollow. Shinigami are the gods of ghosts, they send the Pluses to Soul Society and cleanse the Hollows. Arrancar are Hollow that became Shinigami. Visored are Shinigami that became Hollow. Hougyouku only makes shinigami out of Hollows (and other special-powered Hollows). It does not make Hollows out of Shinigami, as far as I understood Aizen. That process is mostly "natural", it happens by itself. Menos Grande, Gillian, Ajucas and Vastrode are a type of Hollow. So far this is all Kubo has told us. |
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