2011-11-18, 13:48 | Link #14761 |
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It's just that Esper powers are way much cooler than magic, so much that Esper powers get MOAR screentime while magic spells don't get explained that much.
Power-wise, tho, if you count Ollerus curbstomping Gunha... And there's the great Kaori vs. Mikoto duel debate. |
2011-11-18, 14:17 | Link #14765 |
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But I'm under the impression that only the GRS have the cool powers in the Magic Side, others are borderline boring compared to what espers can do with their abilities.
Great, Saints have Super Mode, but that's not as cool-looking as Electromaster or Vector Redirection. Or did you mean Espers? Birdway curbstomped the Freshmen after all. And there's Ollerus pwning Gunha... Last edited by judasmartel; 2011-11-18 at 14:23. Reason: Ninja'd. |
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Great, Saints have Super Mode, but that's not as cool-looking as Electromaster or Vector Redirection.[/QUOTE] Not cool? To me it seems you didn't read vol. 4, 16, 18 and Norse Myth SS . Electric powers has been there since the anime industry begun so, isn't that cool to me. Quote:
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2011-11-18, 14:28 | Link #14767 | |
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Or that I'm just got infected by some people's bias towards the Science side. |
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2011-11-18, 14:56 | Link #14768 | |
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The rest are capable of fighting freaking angels.
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2011-11-18, 19:40 | Link #14771 |
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We can't gauge how strong magic is compared to esper abilities since they work on a fundamentally different way.
Magic - So far, Magic has been shown as the Manipulation of the elements like Stiyl does or Augmentation of one's body like the saints can do. It's also shown that Magic can cure things that science can't such as Last Order's sickness during the WW3 arc. Magic is more diverse in it's uses but is limited to how much you know. Science - Esper powers run on the concept of Shrodingers box. Which means that by extending your personal reality, you can achieve near limitless potential. Accelerator managed to deflect Dark Matter (A substance that doesn't theoretically exist) by extending his personal reality to include it as a thing he can deflect. The difference shown is that Espers can only have one power at a time compared to magicians. Magicians could probably master multiple elements if they study enough but Espers are limited to the individual powers they posses. Espers are shown to be more creative with their single powers compared to Magicians who learn new one's. Sorry for the rambling, it's probably full of mistakes anyway.
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2011-11-18, 20:22 | Link #14772 |
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Oh, so that's how I see it. Espers only have one hammer, but they are so creative in making ways to use their respective hammers that it doesn't matter. Accelerator can only reflect vectors away from him but look at what he can do with it.
He can create earthquakes with a stomp, he can create explosions from dust and oxygen in the air, he can create a ball of plasma (before he was "nerfed"), he can kill a person by reversing the flow of his blood, he can fly, and he can tank a nuke, all of these without breaking a sweat. Mages on the other hand, as the above poster implied, can master all magic known to man given they are able to study that much. Regular mages have power over the elements, while Saints can buff their own bodies to gain access to Super Mode, i.e., Super Strength + Super Speed. Fiamma's Holy Right. It can do anything that has something to do with the right hand. And it is one of the most broken superpowers in the ToAruVerse. He can level cities to the ground, he can instantly teleport, his attacks will always hit you no matter how you dodge it, he CAN perform One-Hit Kills, and most of all, he can conjure a Flaming Sword forty freakin' kilometers long! All of these Fiamma can do with just his right hand. So, yeah, we can't really determine which one is better. After all, clashes between Magic and Science often come down to which sides capitalize on their advantages more effectively than the other guy. |
2011-11-18, 20:38 | Link #14773 |
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If it where to come to a full out war between espers and mages, the mages would win due to having a larger number of powerful members (roughly 20 saints, Ollerus, Index, Birdway, Laura etc etc) than academy city's 6 lvl 5s(can't really count Kakine when talking about combat strength) + probably some strong lvl4s. Assuming that some mage can figure out how to by pass Accelerator's vector change.
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2011-11-18, 20:41 | Link #14774 |
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@ judasmartel - The holy right seems to be another thing entirely. Aleister, Fiamma, Ollerus and the Imagine Breaker are near god level in terms of strength. We can't really determine how strong they are because their strength is variable. The Holy right can increase it's own power depending on what his enemy has while the Imagine breaker can deflect ANY attack so long as it's supernatural in nature. They can be beaten but you'd need to go to a lot of trouble to exploit any possible weakness they have.
Side note - Their biggest weakness is the most simple one: Cut off the limb from the body and the powers malfunction (The seal breaks for Imagine Breaker while the Holy Right doesn't work as effectively anymore) @ Ovum - Not all the Saints are loyal to the Magic side. A lot of them fight each other for example. Also, the personal Reality is near limitless in terms of scope. If Accelerator manages to extend his personal reality to include magic then he can deflect them (They already dissipated even when he didn't know about magic when Magicians attacked him in him in the WW3 arc)
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Academy city has hax advantage as long as an enemy invade the city. If they fight outside the city then academy city would probably be doomed because artificial heaven isn't that big yet.
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2011-11-19, 20:13 | Link #14780 |
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The very base of his being is secrecy and massive trolling. Efficiency is a side-effect of those. Teh_Ping has a point though: Aleister utterly owned Fiamma, who very nearly owned the whole world. I shudder to think what would happen if he was openly and personally involved in a conflict.
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