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View Poll Results: Zero no Tsukaima (third season) - Episode 12 (END) Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 20 | 19.61% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 10 | 9.80% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 16.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 25 | 24.51% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 13 | 12.75% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 6 | 5.88% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 3.92% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 1.96% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 4.90% | |
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2008-09-30, 00:48 | Link #81 | |
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2008-09-30, 01:07 | Link #82 |
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as compared to animes like seikirei, this is already a very small amount, could you be possibly assuming that all animes have no fanservice? lol
in any case, i don't see anything wrong with fanservice, as long as it is not excessive, which has been proven so. Last edited by ayu; 2008-09-30 at 01:23. |
2008-09-30, 01:34 | Link #83 |
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You haven't proven anything. You just picked out the most standing out pieces, but on the whole the majority episodes were filled with useless (from the plot point of view) acts that lead to the fanservice rather than to the plot. Lets say episode 11 the majority part of it contained a lot of the fanservice (useless, as it gave nothing to the plot and could have been cut down) and so when the actual part of plot and the emotional scenes came they had very little impact because the majority of episode was made for the fanservice (yes the actual fanservice scene may be singular, but you have to take into account the build up of the episode and the majority of build up lead to the fanservice rather than to the plot).
Yes ZnT may have less of an actual fanservice scenes as such, when compared to the Seikirei, but as long as we talk about fanservice and the plot division where the fanservice gets more focus (in terms of build up) rather than the plot - it is still on a similar level. |
2008-09-30, 01:51 | Link #84 | |
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It just doesn't make sense to spend several episodes building up to a big climactic rescue and then subvert your (heavily rushed) climax with an entirely new and unrelated story, all without expending any effort on resolving the conflicts from the last one. Tabitha's mother, who is really the catalyst for the entire second half of the season (or arc, or set-of-episodes maybe describes it best) gets something like 10 seconds of screen time, and nobody is even reacting to her being there. The tension between Saito & Co. and Henrietta (which I thought was great and came straight from their characters) was completely abandoned in favor of a short and clumsy fairy tale ending. The wedge they were starting to put between Louise and Henrietta over Saito was just dropped completely I guess, and now they're sisters? If the plot elements and characters they've introduced from the manga are just too complicated and intricate to explain in the span of twelve episodes, then artfully simplifying them or replacing them with something that flows better is just a part of good adaptation and writing. Chopping off all of the explanation of what they're doing in the story for the sake of making it fit is not. And as for fanservice, I have to disagree. The show feels laden with it, and although I couldn't say how many seconds of bouncing breasts or panty shots there are per episode, I can say that it always feels like they're right around every corner. Sure, I know that's part of the genre, and I'm a long, long way from prudish about it, but whenever I feel like they're just throwing panties and boobies at me to take my mind off of weak writing, I get a little annoyed. And sure, Sekirei is way worse, but that's all it's trying to be, so I don't really compare the two. In any case, it's not that I hate the story or anything. I like the concept and I like the characters, but season two was weak and disjointed, and although season three seemed to be picking up steam, it just sort of ended the same way, much to my disappointment. |
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2008-10-01, 00:00 | Link #85 |
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Well, I think it's actually more along the lines that the (already poor) plot is directly RUINED due to fanservice. After seeing the end of episode 4, and subsequently, the end of season 2, you'll notice that fanservice is actually an annoying, letdown experience to some viewers rather than being fanservice.
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2008-10-01, 01:04 | Link #86 |
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Xhokhusmak, If by already poor plot you mean novel original plot then I have to disagree. It has weaker moments but it can be really captivating.
Anime looses it due to poor scene build up which makes emotional scenes look rather rushed and not really touching at all. It is not a problem in the actual fanservice scenes as such. Ayu showed pretty well that there aren't THAT big of number of fanservice scenes, and he came to an conclusion that fanservice is not a problem. And it is true fanservice scenes as such are not a problem there are more animes with far greater amount of fanservice and its more excessive. The problem is the fanservice scenes relation with the actual plot. Due to poor scene build up we actually see longer scene build ups for fanservice than for the actual important plot points. Due to this it looks that anime is stuffed with fanservice. It is a bad script writting. Due to barely memorable plot scenes and rather contrasting fanservice (which happens due to incorrect scene build ups) it looks like fanservice dominates the anime. And it actually does. Just not as such scenes alone but combined with a bad script writting and poor scene build ups. |
2008-10-02, 17:32 | Link #88 |
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It became difficult to me process why Louise lost her powers through most of the episode, and I do think that plot device was farfetch'd because the writers did not allow enough pacing to properly explained that phenomenon.
Honestly, it would have been easier to the viewers, who are not familiarized with the light novels, to understand about Louise's loss of magic if they have properly introduced in the last episode or two. However, I do think I have a theory: Spoiler:
If it wasn't for the fight against the Jormugant, and the three fantastic pieces of music played: 1. During the fight against the Jormugant.... 2. Louise's reawakening... 3. And the epilogue. I would have rated this episode with a lower score. Anyways, we do have clear grasp of what Joseph is aiming for: Spoiler:
Overall, season three ended with a strong note, and the characters have all learned from their mistakes when Louise's gets pissed. Spoiler:
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2008-10-05, 11:40 | Link #89 |
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ok i have watch all of the seasons, but Louise haven't changed a bit, they only added the feelings into her character, and even then her attitude didn't change towards Saito and their relationship haven't progress, even a bit. Saito has flashes about other girls, being kissed by other girls, flirting, and half of the time doesn't know if he loves Louise... if you exclude the flash scenes when he wants to get sex with her, or when he is in the mood for love
5/10
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2008-10-06, 22:23 | Link #90 | |
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2008-10-07, 02:48 | Link #92 |
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Good gosh..... I am a sucker for cute lil anime series like this........... anyhow I gave it a 7 cause there was a lil more romance and Tabitha took the initiative ... even if it only was to reactivate Louise's Void power.........
Really looking 4ward to more boobies .... I mean ..... u know what I mean.......lol
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2008-10-07, 08:36 | Link #93 | |
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2008-10-09, 22:24 | Link #95 |
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What I always wonder {warning rant mode} how does a guy like Siato get almost every girl in the show to fall in love with him? He's a perv. Broke. Has all of these other girls around him all the time. Not high ranked. And not expessially cute. O.k I get that he has saved a lot of these girls but they have all saved him too. I can never understand these Harems. O and I do like the show don't get me wrong.
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2008-11-05, 09:24 | Link #99 |
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more seasons but no conclusion of previous??
That what I was wondering since the 3rd season concludes but doesn't end the series. And can someone tell me what ever happened to the Ring saito was to recover ever returned to the water goddess?? So what will be the story with saito and the fairy elf on the season 4 and what about Tabitha sister going to be another story with Saito as well?
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2008-11-05, 21:30 | Link #100 |
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if i didnt rewatch S1 today i would have never been able to answer that question lol... if u watch the last episode of S1 while the ending song is playing... u will see tabitha with the ring... so im assuming the water goddess does get it back lol
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